[quote=gregulus;18623650]Traditions have, but social norms fluctuate much faster than traditions.


Questioning and challenging ideas has been a dominant part of world history, especially in the late 18th-20th centuries.


The internet has made challenging and questioning ideas and authority more ubiquitous (e.g. the Arab Spring), but statements like:

are probably a bit optimistic, unfortunately.[/quote]
regarding the last statement, says who?

I mean I would focus more on the technology rather than specifically the internet of course because I'm not brent but there no metrics to make value judgements about our place in history to be either optimistic or pessimistic.

[QUOTE=adbforever;18623643]they cheat. cheating happens because they tire of something - either their predictable sex, lack of happiness...or just making a dumb decision based on visuals (finding a hot dude at a bar and being impulsive, idk)[/QUOTE]

i've already acknowledged that many marriages fail. at the same time many marriages succeed. quit avoiding my point and answer my point about the merits of a functioning family.

I can respect some of the experiences my dad has had and can learn from them, however, many decision making techniques are outdated because the internet exists now.

[QUOTE=(*The Noonward Race*);18623653]yeah this is true. these are real things, wisdom and experience[/QUOTE]

by 'what' i mean elders and your culture...not exactly tangible but whatever

I think the mitigation of suffering (or what most would call maximisation of happiness) is more important than the constant acknowledgement and affirmation of biological urges, and I don't think careless hedonism on a global scale would be very helpful towards mitigating suffering.

the internet has superseded decision making techniques, what?

if anything I think people have the ability to filter out conflicting information more and more and not be challenged, I think there is a huge danger in this

[QUOTE=adbforever;18623659]I can respect some of the experiences my dad has had and can learn from them, however, many decision making techniques are outdated because the internet exists now.[/QUOTE]

the internet means that obtaining knowledge is a lot easier. aside from that the internet has no positive bearing on morals and values

[QUOTE=Haz;18623663]the internet has superseded decision making techniques, what?

if anything I think people have the ability to filter out conflicting information more and more and not be challenged, I think there is a huge danger in this[/QUOTE]

yeah that's why i don't debate on the internet...

much :(

[QUOTE=adbforever;18623609]wake me when you guys can formulate a decent counter argument instead of doing what youre doing now[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=adbforever;18623643]look at the chubby kid! !!! haHAHA!
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man you didn't even give yourself a chance with this one

[QUOTE=Stevie;18623664]the internet means that obtaining knowledge is a lot easier. aside from that the internet has no positive bearing on morals and values[/QUOTE]

exactly. But I think with knowledge personal morals and values can be a bi-product

common sense is mainly my moral standard

[QUOTE=Morumbar;18623662]I think the mitigation of suffering (or what most would call maximisation of happiness) is more important than the constant acknowledgement and affirmation of biological urges, and I don't think careless hedonism on a global scale would be very helpful towards mitigating suffering.[/QUOTE]
Satisfying 'hedonist' biological urges != having a child.

I think the main thing here is that tradition is really only useful if it's a specific sort of situation

finding things on the internet are more broad ideas

like you can learn to do a lot of shit from the internet

but if you need to go downtown and speak with some faggot your dad knows, he's gonna know more about him than the internet does (but that can change and already is thanks to fb)

that doesn't really explain this:

[QUOTE=adbforever;18623659]I can respect some of the experiences my dad has had and can learn from them, however, many decision making techniques are outdated because the internet exists now.[/QUOTE]

how does the internet mean that the way we make decisions?

[quote=adbforever;18623671]exactly. But I think with knowledge personal morals and values can be a bi-product

common sense is mainly my moral standard[/quote]
Common sense is pithy whore tradition, based off of social superstition.


It's ridiculous to ascribe someone else a proper way to live with words, be they tradition or the cult of common sense.

This should be obvious to you right?

[QUOTE]how does the internet mean that the way we make decisions?[/QUOTE]

it helps us make better ones via experiences of others with people, products, and services

hate to use dating sites as an example, so I'll say look at amazon. Customer reviews on products.

before the internet word of mouth was dominant. A sample size of 100 is more accurate than the size of 1. The opinions of the many generally outweigh the opinions of the few.

[QUOTE=(*The Noonward Race*);18623674]Satisfying 'hedonist' biological urges != having a child.[/QUOTE]

I know. My response was mostly towards adb's implied value of biology and the hedonistic affirmation of biological urges over traditions such as commitment and trust.

[QUOTE=adbforever;18623685]it helps us make better ones via experiences of others with people, products, and services

hate to use dating sites as an example, so I'll say look at amazon. Customer reviews on products.

before the internet word of mouth was dominant. A sample size of 100 is more accurate than the size of 1. [b]The opinions of the many generally outweigh the opinions of the few.[/b][/QUOTE]

what does that mean for well established cultural traditions?

besides, no it doesn't make us better. sure you can interact with more people and there are benefits of that but there are also problems. the anonymity of the internet means that people can behave as badly as they want without any consequences. they end up doing things and treating other people how they would not in the real world because firstly there are no consequences and secondly because they cannot see the effect their behaviour is having on their victims.

secondly, the ease of obtaining anything anyone wants to see means that people become desensitized to horrible things. that cannot be a good thing

brent talking about common sense, morals, and standards is funny

brent implying he has any of the above is terrifying

but what do i know i weigh more than 87 pounds

i love how he satisfies my curiosity about what lies in the mind of a marketing major

lmao

exactly the sort of paranoid frenetic ado about nothing i always imagined