[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]Maynard is Tool. If you don't think so you're stupid.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but not in all ways.
I just think that there wouldn't be Tool without MJK. But then there wouldn't be an intellectual Tool without any of the members.
He doesn't really take part in song writing, he's just lyrics. or am I wrong in saying this?

Bleh, to be honest, I don't like [i]10,000 Days[/i] as much as their previous albums. "Jambi" is about the best song on their, but they've became less in the direction of [i]Lateralus[/i], progressive-wise.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]MJK is for Tool what Lars is for Metallica. [/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say [I]that[/I].

I can't believe that guy compared Dani Filth to MJK. Seriously. I'm no where near a Tool fanboy in any way, but that's just ridiculous.

And I'm also interested in what other lyricists did have "deep" and "meaningful" lyrics.

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]I agree, but not in all ways.
I just think that there wouldn't be Tool without MJK. But then there wouldn't be an intellectual Tool without any of the members.
He doesn't really take part in song writing, he's just lyrics. or am I wrong in saying this?[/QUOTE]
No, he takes part in alot of the songwriting. He just doesn't usually come up with stuff so much as react to what everyone else does.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]I think Carey is the most skilled in the band. I think he's overrated much of the time though he's a very good drummer.[/QUOTE]
He's not really that overrated. Futuro said he does 5 over 4 in Rosetta Stoned, and that is beyond impressive. He's also not overrated because he plays pocket alot of the time.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]The bassist is solid and does some catchy stuff. [/QUOTE]
I agree with you there but I'd say creative is more like it.
[QUOTE=I'm Charming]MJK is for Tool what Lars is for Metallica. [/QUOTE]
I'm not a fanboy but that is definately not true. Metallica never needed Lars and Lars is pathetic talent-wise. Tool needs Maynard or they would probably stop being Tool, and Maynard is definately talented at what he does. He has amazing control and if you don't agree with me, listen to Parabol or almost anything by APC. Trust me, I know a thing or two about vocals so don't even argue with me here.

[QUOTE=<mIkE>]latalarus is still the best as an album, just sticks to me you know[/QUOTE]
True dat.

im not lovin the vocals on 10,000 days yet. :(

Sorry to interrupt, but when is the release date for the new album?

So could somebody please quickly tell me when this new Tool is officially released in the USA/Canada?? Thanks.

EDIT: lol, funny how I got beat to it....

2 May is the release date

[QUOTE=Animosity]So could somebody please quickly tell me when this new Tool is officially released in the USA/Canada?? Thanks.

EDIT: lol, funny how I got beat to it....[/QUOTE]

Haha, I read your post in the prog thread and decided to come here and ask. PWNED.
[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]2 May is the release date[/QUOTE]
Gracias.

[QUOTE]He's not really that overrated. Futuro said he does 5 over 4 in Jambi, and that is beyond impressive. He's also not overrated because he plays pocket alot of the time.[/QUOTE]I had the names mixed up :( It is in Rosetta stoned.

[QUOTE=Futuro]I had the names mixed up :( It is in Rosetta stoned.[/QUOTE]

Because of your mistake, I lost my wife and my job:(
I will never forgive you.









It's all good!:p

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Afroman > Tool

It's really this whole thing with Maynard. People hail him as this "deep thinking" brilliant lyricist. He's not. Just because you try to act "deep" and write lyrics that make no sense doesn't make you a good lyricist.
He has this whole, bash the government, drugs, anti athority etc etc. Complaing isn't original, mature or interesting. If you have such a problem with something, act. Go out there and help correct that, if you actually care that is. Don't whin & complain. Act.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Maynard "acts" or "tries" to be deep thinking or anything of the sort. Look at the lyrics to Lateralus, they make plenty sense if you read into its corresponding philosophies and are able to catch his allusions. For me it really makes more of an experience, trying to figure out his allusions and subtle references to this or that. I don't really see how he's putting on an "act" of any sort. I also don't see where you get this idea of his lyrics being "complaining" or "whiny". His lyrics on Aenema and Lateralus aren't really whiny nor do I think Maynard complains. He just makes his point and leaves it at that. He doens't really whine, he just expresses his opinions.

Also, I don't think Maynard is to Tool as Lars is to Metallica. Maynard is an essential part of Tool as are any other members of the band. They are all needed, and without any single one of them the band would collapse. Take out Adam and they collapse. Take of Danny and they collapse. Take out Justin and they collapse. Take out Maynard and then what, get a new vocalist? It wouldn't be the same. Tool is a collective.

I've never liked MJK that much. And with tracks like Triad, Merkaba and other instrumental-heavy songs, I can seem him being the only expendable member. But I agree, any member went, the current Tool feel would go with them.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I've never liked MJK that much. And with tracks like Triad, Merkaba and other instrumental-heavy songs, I can seem him being the only expendable member. But I agree, any member went, the current Tool feel would go with them.[/QUOTE]

I can't see anyone replacing maynard. If he goes, Tool would or should fold.

I'm not sure about 10 000 days. There are a few good songs, but is this what we've been waiting for? 5 years for this? I hope not.

The first part of the album is good. All good songs. From Vicarious to The Pot.
The bottom half...i dunno. I hope that they're fake. That would be nice. EPrhaps this isn't the final album. I'm not saying the ENTIRE album is made up of decoy songs, just the bottom half. Those songs, like Rosetta Stoned and Right In Two, they use previous Tool riffs...and I don't like that.

We spoke about this before and decided that no-one can really match MJK vocal-wise...

Pete loeffler from chevelle, guy from Mudvayne and patton were names thrown around to replace him if i remember correctly.

Meh the band are the band, you can see the band evolved when paul left them so we can't really say that no member can be successfully replaced. But you can definateley say that at the present time all members contribute equal amounts to the tool sound.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]My point is he vastly overrated he is when it comes to that.

There are many bands/artists in many genres that are leagues over anything he could write.

I hate to bring CoF into this. Dani Filth writes excellent lyrics. He truely masters language and song writing. Dark yet beautiful.[/QUOTE]

Dani Filth?? Are you honestly trying to convince us that his homoerotic, cliche'd attempts at "Gothic" poetry are even in the same league as Maynard's lyrics?

And what do you mean by "go out and do something about it"? Almost every lyric I've ever heard is about a problem of some kind.. are you saying that instead of trying to express their feelings in their music, artists should stop talking about problems, and write about what? The weather?

How many songs have you heard written about political problems? Problems wiht relationships? Religious dilemmas? Battles between good and evil? Think about what you're saying!

I'm not the biggest Tool fan, and I don't necessarily think that Maynard is one of the best lyricists out there. But don't go around making dumb comments like those.

This argument is foolish. Maynard doesn't "try" to be anything; do you actually think that the lyrics to The Pot/ Hooker With a Penis are supposed to be really deep? Not every song is meant to be "serious" or "deep".

Precisely, their his lyrics...he's allowed to have fun or have a sense of humor with it.

I don't have a problem with his lyrics and I enjoy them alot. The lyrics in Third Eye are breathtaking.

However, I really can't stand the way he acts in interviews.

[QUOTE=Moses]I don't have a problem with his lyrics and I enjoy them alot. The lyrics in Third Eye are breathtaking.

However, I really can't stand the way he acts in interviews.[/QUOTE]

you mean the way he IS?

[QUOTE]My point is he vastly overrated he is when it comes to that.

There are many bands/artists in many genres that are leagues over anything he could write. [/QUOTE] That is subjective yet you state everything like a fact... hmm....



[QUOTE]Tonight is the night
The empowering wind that draws breath from despite
Roars 'neath my wings as I soar with the end in sight

Choirs ignite
A swansong for Leda
Deathknells for Troy
Tragedy blooms from one act
I am nemesis[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]
I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing,
Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so
We cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication.
[/QUOTE]


Cradle Of Filth is WAY above Tool yo!

[QUOTE=Prince of Darkness]you mean the way he IS?[/QUOTE]

Sure, call it what you want.

If I'd been ranting and raving for years, you wouldn't be listening to me right now."

Maynard said that.

whens the new cd coming out?

May 2nd

[QUOTE=420Rob]whens the new cd coming out?[/QUOTE]

may 2nd, but it's been leaked.

welcome:thumb:

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]My point is he vastly overrated he is when it comes to that.

There are many bands/artists in many genres that are leagues over anything he could write.

I hate to bring CoF into this. Dani Filth writes excellent lyrics. He truely masters language and song writing. Dark yet beautiful.[/QUOTE]


Dani does write some insane lyrics, (for anybody who wants to check some out look at Bathory Aria lyrics) but him and Maynard have way different styles of writing. Dani is more of a story teller where as MJK has his message drenched in metaphors.

[QUOTE=circlethedrain]Dani does write some insane lyrics, (for anybody who wants to check some out look at Bathory Aria lyrics) but him and Maynard have way different styles of writing. Dani is more of a story teller where as MJK has his message drenched in metaphors.[/QUOTE]


Great point :thumb: