There are two types of Tool fans. Those that think Pushi[COLOR=White]t[/COLOR] Live is the best. And those that think Third Eye is the best. Thankfully, we can all live in peace over it.

That is so true. Haha.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]There are two types of Tool fans. Those that think Pushi[COLOR=White]t[/COLOR] Live is the best. And those that think Third Eye is the best. Thankfully, we can all live in peace over it.[/QUOTE]

theyre both very good, actually excellent, but he didnt say anything about Push it, and i was curious about whether he had heard it or not, unless he just downloaded solely Third Eye

Most of the unlucky ones will have to download it, so im guessing its that.

Speaking of rare tracks, I would kill to get my hands on the extended versions of Stinkfist/Jerk-Off. So if anyone has them just lying around, my first born child is yours.

[QUOTE=x the patient x6]theyre both very good, actually excellent, but he didnt say anything about Push it, and i was curious about whether he had heard it or not, unless he just downloaded solely Third Eye[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am downloading :upset:

I think I will go download Pus[COLOR=White]h[/COLOR]it now, so I can decide on which side I stand.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]There are two types of Tool fans. Those that think Pushi[COLOR=White]t[/COLOR] Live is the best. And those that think Third Eye is the best. Thankfully, we can all live in peace over it.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, that's a negative. I like the Bill Hicks cuts, but other than that, Third Eye is just a typical trip song. Pu**** is a great crescendo and one of my favorites; but no way it's my FAVORITE.

Do most Tool fans think that this is true?

Third Eye a "typical trip song" ?? That's about as far from the truth as possible. In my opinoion, Third Eye is one of the best composed rock songs ever, much less one of Tool's best songs. Pus[COLOR=White]h[/COLOR]it is amazing, but I don't know if Tool has a song (aside from maybe Lateralus or Reflection) that can top Third Eye.

Third Eye, to me, just seems like filler to make Tool seem pseudo-epic, which they aren't... They HAVE made some great long crescendos. I don't think that a song has to have flow to be great. But Third Eye is so random and it is too long to have such a lack of substance. Sorry guys. But Pu****, Eulogy, Lateralus, and The Grudge are MUCH, MUCH better long crescendos or epics than Third Eye, IMHO.

Well, I can see what you're saying but I strongly disagree. Tool is very epic, most of their songs have that quality, not just a few. I don't know the story at all behind Third Eye, but it seems like a manifestation of the end of the Aenima era or something to that effect.

Opinion noted, accepted, and disagreed with.

Merkaba on Salival is a similar style to Third Eye, its very experimental and not a standard rock epic. This is why I love Third Eye. Its different, its against the norm. It has a mood to it, and it sound slike some sort of raging monster. if all Tool songs were jsut another Third Eye, agreed, I would be fed up. But snce its a one off in a crowd of epic more familar format songs, it stands out even more.

And to add a Justin quote Re: Third Eye. "its the ultimate Aenima remix" I totally agree with that

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Opinion noted, accepted, and disagreed with.

Merkaba on Salival is a similar style to Third Eye, its very experimental and not a standard rock epic. This is why I love Third Eye. Its different, its against the norm. It has a mood to it, and it sound slike some sort of raging monster. if all Tol songs were jsut another Third Eye, agreed, I would be fed up. But snce its a one off in a crowd of epic more familar format songs, it stands out even more.

And to add a Justin quote Re: Third Eye. "its the ultimate Aenima remix" I totally agree with that[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

Just so none of you misunderstand me... What I meant was that Tool IS NOT pseudo-epic, they, in fact, have many quality epic songs. I just think that Third Eye portrays them that way, because IMO it isn't a good song.

Third Eye is their most epic song, honestly.

And I would be one of the Tool fans that think Third Eye >> Push[color=white]i[/color]t. I honestly don't really like Push[color=white]i[/color]t at all, and I get :amaze: stares for it more often than not.

Lateralus has a ton of epic songs on there. In fact, the only songs I can think of that don't have that epic quality are Parabol, Ticks and Leeches, Eon Blue, Disposition and Triad

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Third Eye is their most epic song, honestly.

And I would be one of the Tool fans that think Third Eye >> Push[color=white]i[/color]t. I honestly don't really like Push[color=white]i[/color]t at all, and I get :amaze: stares for it more often than not.

Lateralus has a ton of epic songs on there. In fact, the only songs I can think of that don't have that epic quality are Parabol, Ticks and Leeches, Eon Blue, Disposition and Triad[/QUOTE]

Yep. Third Eye is so dynamic...it flows seamlessly for 13 minutes with ups and downs, building tension and then relasing etc more times than many bands do in a full album. I don't know many people who can write a song like that.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]
Lateralus has a ton of epic songs on there. In fact, the only songs I can think of that don't have that epic quality are Parabol, Ticks and Leeches, Eon Blue, Disposition and Triad[/QUOTE]

Disposition, Reflection and Triad were one song at some stage in development. Which probably would have qualified it for most epic song. But i do agree, Lateralus is the epic king.

And if it goes out of the polls I will call an uprising from the Tool collective. that, or ill just give out a great big "meh."

Anyone find it really hard to say a tool song is better than another? I've never had a favourite and never will, its a "group" of favourites, thats the vast majority

[B]Note: anyone fancy 69 as a celebration of my post count? ACT FAST[/B]

Parabol and Parabola actually should be considered one song. Parabola is the better half sure, but that is another crescendo: Parabol into Parabola.

I think that most Tool fans would agree that Aenima is the best album, no?

[QUOTE=In Chains34]I think that most Tool fans would agree that Aenima is the best album, no?[/QUOTE]
I strongly disagree. I would say the majority of Tool fans do have a favourite album, however, saying Aenima is the 'best' album according to 'most Tool fans' is just absurd. You cannot generalise such a large group. Furthermore, i would say there is quite a few people who do not have a favourite album, myself included.

[QUOTE=In Chains34]I think that most Tool fans would agree that Aenima is the best album, no?[/QUOTE]

That's a tough one, I see Lateralus as almost a continuation of Aenima. I did love the production on Aenima though, the depth that album has is incredible.

[QUOTE=In Chains34]I think that most Tool fans would agree that Aenima is the best album, no?[/QUOTE]

No, I would say Lateralus is their best release, although Aenima is definately not far behind.

And just for the record, I find Third Eye slightly greater than Push[i]i[/i]t

[QUOTE=Danny Carey is GOD]I strongly disagree. I would say the majority of Tool fans do have a favourite album, however, saying Aenima is the 'best' album according to 'most Tool fans' is just absurd. You cannot generalise such a large group. Furthermore, i would say there is quite a few people who do not have a favourite album, myself included.[/QUOTE]

Alright bro, I respect your opinion but don't be the generalization police. It was just a question and something I've observed over the years from Tool fans. I could be wrong.
But I HATE it when people can't admit to having favorite songs/albums. "Ohh, I like them all!"--No ****, man! So do I. I just listen to certain songs more than others!

Undertow is so overlooked, it might as well not exist if it didnt have Sober and Prison Sex on it, but in actuality, Flood is amazing after the audaciously long intro, and whats not to like about Disguestipated? its a cool kind of weird and mildly creepy, and really the rest of Undertow is very solid, slightly murky-er than the most recent 2. if i had to associate a color with it, it would be the muddy kind of grey thats in the liner notes of the picture of the band, whereas the colors i would associate with aenima and lateralus are more of the "cool' colors like teals, greens, blues, violets, and black. Opaite is very good in its own right, if it wasnt held up the expecation of aenima and lateralus...but i must admit, i am a lateralus kind of guy, but there are a few from aenima that are extremely good

[QUOTE=x the patient x6]Undertow is so overlooked, it might as well not exist if it didnt have Sober and Prison Sex on it, but in actuality, Flood is amazing after the audaciously long intro, and whats not to like about Disguestipated? its a cool kind of weird and mildly creepy, and really the rest of Undertow is very solid, slightly murky-er than the most recent 2. if i had to associate a color with it, it would be the muddy kind of grey thats in the liner notes of the picture of the band, whereas the colors i would associate with aenima and lateralus are more of the "cool' colors like teals, greens, blues, violets, and black. Opaite is very good in its own right, if it wasnt held up the expecation of aenima and lateralus...but i must admit, i am a lateralus kind of guy, but there are a few from aenima that are extremely good[/QUOTE]
Undertow is overlooked because it's not as good. If it was by any other band it would be considered a masterpiece. It really is quite an amazing metal album, but dwarfs in the shadow of Lateralus and Ænima

[QUOTE=Street Spirit (Fade Out)]Undertow is overlooked because it's not as good. If it was by any other band it would be considered a masterpiece. It really is quite an amazing metal album, but dwarfs in the shadow of Lateralus and Ænima[/QUOTE]

i can live with that

but that doesnt mean everyone should just ignore it

Undertow is great.

Crawl Away (best intro)
Sober (classic, great lyrics)
Undertow (great lyrics about addiction)
Intolerance (why the f*ck r u guys leaving this one out? it has an awesome bass undertone)
Prison Sex (another beautiful yet wrong song by Tool)

[QUOTE=Kage]Third Eye a "typical trip song" ?? That's about as far from the truth as possible. In my opinoion, Third Eye is one of the best composed rock songs ever, much less one of Tool's best songs. Pus[COLOR=White]h[/COLOR]it is amazing, but I don't know if Tool has a song (aside from maybe Lateralus or Reflection) that can top Third Eye.[/QUOTE]
I belive thats the mozt complex song they have made yet, very off timing(like most tool songs).

****it. Strength in numbers, I guess. You guys make me want to give another listen... But HOW exactly is this song so brilliant?

Personally, I find Undertow to be my favorite song by them. That, or Intolerance.

I really have to agree that Third Eye is one of their greatest songs and I will give my reasons:
The layered slide intro is perhaps the most unique thing Adam has ever recorded (this can be debated of course). He rarely records two distinctly different overlapping tracks in one song, let alone slide parts. The beautiful thing IMO, is the way they build and come together before the first verse. I love the verses, I love the distorted bass, the screams, the lyrics, Maynard's passion, the time changes, the sound effects (moaning, voices, etc), the Bill Hicks references, the extreme dynamics, the sheer dissonance of some sections, the length (yes, I mean it), and the utter creativity of the whole thing.
Every time I finish listening to it I feel as though I've been purged or exhausted by the experience, and that's a great thing.