I personally find Load to be better. King Nothing, Ain't My Bitch, and Until It Sleeps are all good songs.

I prefer Load, i can't really stand Reload.

To me, both albums are far from good. The two albums combined provide three good songs: Unforgiven 2, Fuel and Until it Sleeps. The rest doesn't come close to Master of Puppets or And justice for all. And unlike many others, I consider St. Anger to be a much better album than Load/Re-load.

[QUOTE=ride_the_bliksem]And unlike many others, I consider St. Anger to be a much better album than Load/Re-load.[/QUOTE]
Actially, that's pretty much the same opinion of many people in this thread (myself included).

[QUOTE=ride_the_bliksem]The rest doesn't come close to Master of Puppets or And justice for all.[/QUOTE]
Both Load an ReLoad are completely different to Master and ..AJFA (which are quite different themselves!), so comparing them is like comparing Apples and Oranges (although I often do it myself :upset: ), we'll probably never see the likes of another Master of Puppets, or ...AJFA (if that's your thing :confused: ), so instead of hoping for something of old, we should be hoping for something new, and something brutally thrashy \m/
The riffs from St. Anger were among the finest to come out of Metallica HQ in a long time, and that in my opinion, is good. I can't wait to see what they come up with next, but I know for sure it's going to be great (well, if they get that wah away from Hammett :p)...

[QUOTE=ride_the_bliksem]To me, both albums are far from good. The two albums combined provide three good songs: Unforgiven 2, Fuel and Until it Sleeps. The rest doesn't come close to Master of Puppets or And justice for all. And unlike many others, I consider St. Anger to be a much better album than Load/Re-load.[/QUOTE]
I'd say there's more than 3 good songs.

Most songs on reload/load/st.anger are good, but they're just not as good as their earlier stuff.

It depends really, if you're more into thrash and metal, you're gonna say the earlier songs are better but if you're into hard rock ect. then you're gonna like the later stuff.

I think they shoulda just taken all the good songs from reload and just made Load
and that woulda been a incredible album....in my opinion

[i]Reload[/i] is compiled from the songs they didn't consider good enough to grace [i]Load[/i].

I'm not a fan of either, although I love The Unforgiven II.

For me it goes like this. Every song off of their first 4 albums was incredible. The only one I dont like as much is Escape, but its still a decent song. Black album was a GREAT album, I would choose it over a lot of other bands I listen to, but still is not as good as their first 4.

They for Load and Reload, each have their high points, but some of the songs really SUCK on those albums. And St.Anger is above average, no "sucky" songs on it.

Hi Metalli-gang. Let's discuss how different Metallica would have been if Dave and Cliff hadn't died/left the band!

I personally have no idea how things would have turned out. There's a good chance everything after Kill em All would be extremely different, if non-existant. Maybe they would have broken up, though for soom reason I doubt it. With Dave and Cliff, maybe they wouldn't have turned hard rock, and produced 10 MoPs! :thumb: . I can't really say for sure, but it would be a Metallica I'd love.

How about [U]you[/U]?

They probably would have gone the same path, but obviously solos, some riffs, basslines, etc. would be different because different people would make it. I dont think dave or cliff would have wanted to stay in the MoP era forever. They all would have probably wanted to change their style sooner or later to something new.

Metallica Dave wouldn't have worked well, i just can't see it happening.
Metallica with Cliff would've eventually gone the same way as Metallica without him.

[QUOTE=DaveTheAmazing]Hi Metalli-gang. Let's discuss how different Metallica would have been if Dave and Cliff hadn't died/left the band!

I personally have no idea how things would have turned out. There's a good chance everything after Kill em All would be extremely different, if non-existant. Maybe they would have broken up, though for soom reason I doubt it. With Dave and Cliff, maybe they wouldn't have turned hard rock, and produced 10 MoPs! :thumb: . I can't really say for sure, but it would be a Metallica I'd love.

How about [U]you[/U]?[/QUOTE]

You mean Dave and Ron?

Ron McGovney was the bass player when Dave Mustaine was in the band.

Cliff came on after Dave had left unless I'm mistaken.

Cliff had he lived would have left the band rather than cut his hair and sell pop metal to kids then sue them.

They sued their own 12 year old fan. What happened to the day when you were just grateful to have fans, much less sue them for not having a penny to their name yet still doing your best to listen to their music?

Cliff was there with Dave for a while.

Well DBoon, I think Cliff would have kept them "real" and not let them do that. He didnt take as much of a backseat as Kirk does.

[QUOTE=Byzantine]Well DBoon, I think Cliff would have kept them "real" and not let them do that. He didnt take as much of a backseat as Kirk does.[/QUOTE]

They would have fired him. James and Lars are really the band. Kirk was smart for taking the ride. I mean, I would have too. What else was a Krik Hammet gonna do? The man doesn't write music. He's not a very talented player. Quite skilled yes, but no real talent.

Cliff had more to contribute to the realm of the bass then he did to the realm of metal.

I don't think they realized the influence they had over speed thrash metal at the time, but to have commercial success with an album like Master of Puppets shows clearly they could have stuck to their original mold and still had very good success with it.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Cliff had he lived would have left the band rather than cut his hair and sell pop metal to kids then sue them.

They sued their own 12 year old fan. What happened to the day when you were just grateful to have fans, much less sue them for not having a penny to their name yet still doing your best to listen to their music?[/QUOTE]

As far as I know lars was the only one to sue napster, so why say metallica did it. James and Kirk probably didn't even care about it. We all know lars is a greedy bastard. And if Cliff cared about music he wouldn't keep his hair just because of music since hair means nothing for true musicians.

I think Kirk went to court over the sueing thingy but i'm probably wrong.
Lars does use Metallica even when he's talking about himself like he would say "1/4 of Metallica take drugs regularly" instead of just saying "I take drugs"

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]As far as I know lars was the only one to sue napster, so why say metallica did it. James and Kirk probably didn't even care about it. We all know lars is a greedy bastard. And if Cliff cared about music he wouldn't keep his hair just because of music since hair means nothing for true musicians.[/QUOTE]

Lars led the way for the RIAA to do what they did. Napster was a fan based service for other fans. If fans were smart, they'd take a stand. However, they don't, so they suffer. Music is for us, not them. Without the fans, there is no music biz.

Lars is Metallica. There's no seperating the two. If I was in the band and I felt strongly about it, I'd either toss him or quit the band rather than be in it with a greedy self centered egomaniac like him. So rather than leave the band or break up their cash cow, they say we didn't support hi, yet we'll keep on milking ya'll out of whatever we can.

The hair statement was a joke, but feel free to address any of the other points listed.

I think that Metallica doesnt realise how much money they could make by going back to an 80's style album. They would get all the new fans they made by changing to buy it, then when word gets out "Its another 80's stye thrash album", all the old timers that dont like new Metallica would go out and buy it.

It would probobly end up being one of the best selling albums EVER.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Lars is Metallica. There's no seperating the two. If I was in the band and I felt strongly about it, I'd either toss him or quit the band rather than be in it with a greedy self centered egomaniac like him. So rather than leave the band or break up their cash cow, they say we didn't support hi, yet we'll keep on milking ya'll out of whatever we can. [/QUOTE]

Yea, but they cant kick him. They're like a family now. It's like when someone in your family is ignorant, and you hate him sometimes, but you cant just take him out of your family for being pathetic. You kinda just have to deal with it.

[QUOTE=Byzantine]I think that Metallica doesnt realise how much money they could make by going back to an 80's style album. They would get all the new fans they made by changing to buy it, then when word gets out "Its another 80's stye thrash album", all the old timers that dont like new Metallica would go out and buy it.

It would probobly end up being one of the best selling albums EVER.[/QUOTE]

If it was all for money right now, I dont think they would have released St. Anger because album itself doesn't sound like it would make alot of money. Even earlier metallica sounds more radio friendly than st. anger imo especially with those drums. That's probably why I never heard any song other than st. anger on the radio. So maybe they're trying to go back to their old times, but can't? I dont know. They're the only ones that know what's going on in their minds.

St Anger is keeping with the masses. It sounds like it could be any of the newer metal bands' latest release.

Doesn't that make you sick?

A band who once set the precedent, is now just following it.

I have nothing but bad to say about Metallica. I hate them. So, I shall not ruin this thread with my hatred for a band I once loved.

I would love a St. Anger type album with solo's. Dave was in the band with cliff
look on the cliff e'm all dvd. Metallica never sold out and they never sued a 12 year old fan. lars did but he's not Metallica. cliff loved Metallica and would never leave just cause
of hair and things like that
ghost stop bashing Tallica

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]St Anger is keeping with the masses. It sounds like it could be any of the newer metal bands' latest release.

Doesn't that make you sick?

A band who once set the precedent, is now just following it.

I have nothing but bad to say about Metallica. I hate them. So, I shall not ruin this thread with my hatred for a band I once loved.[/QUOTE]

Go away :evil:

What Ghost is saying is quite truthful.

metallica are best

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Any body but me find this forums' hate for St Anger unreasonable? "jimmybowels" was acting like it was a guy who ****ed his wife or something lol.

A lot of people hear it once and don't relly give it much chance.