[QUOTE=Conor]I'm starting to think this album is highly satirical. Alot of the riffs are ripped straight from their past songs, its almost like they're mocking themselves or something. I think they leaked a few real songs like Vicarious, Wings for Marie and 10,000 days as a fake album with some remixes, because stuff like Jambi and Rosetta Stoned sounds like their old songs touched up a little.[/QUOTE]

Rubbish.

If you went to a few Mars Volta gigs, i'm sure you'd hear segments of improv that they might turn into stuff on their next album. This is similar.

[QUOTE=Shadius]Rubbish.

If you went to a few Mars Volta gigs, i'm sure you'd hear segments of improv that they might turn into stuff on their next album. This is similar.[/QUOTE]Thats not what I'm saying. Songs like Rosetta Stoned and Right in Two have a few parts that are identical to older songs to the point where it sounds like a remix. I just think with 5 years of the band minus Maynard jamming, they could of come up with some stuff a bit more original than this. The songs kick ***, but overall half the album feels like Tool doing an impression of Tool.

[QUOTE=Maynard James Keenan]I didn't download it, just Vicarious.[/QUOTE]
Same.

[QUOTE=Conor]Thats not what I'm saying. Songs like Rosetta Stoned and Right in Two have a few parts that are identical to older songs to the point where it sounds like a remix. I just think with 5 years of the band minus Maynard jamming, they could of come up with some stuff a bit more original than this. The songs kick ***, but overall half the album feels like Tool doing an impression of Tool.[/QUOTE]

Well they have all the same members, they are destined to sound somewhat similar you know? I get what you're saying, I just disagree. It's plenty original, Adam just plays that fast 16th note(?) rhythm that he does in Schism a lot.

[QUOTE=Conor]Thats not what I'm saying. Songs like Rosetta Stoned and Right in Two have a few parts that are identical to older songs to the point where it sounds like a remix. I just think with 5 years of the band minus Maynard jamming, they could of come up with some stuff a bit more original than this. The songs kick ***, but overall half the album feels like Tool doing an impression of Tool.[/QUOTE]

Yeai noted alot of riffs during the cd that are very close to their previous stuff. I heard stuff similar to 46 and 2 i heard a couple identical to Third Eye, one reminded me of a part in Lateralus. Thats why i thought this was maybe a b-sides of earlier songs, that and the fact that there isn't much progression from Lateralus besides obviousl Wings and Rosetta Stone. I also here a pretty similar riff from H. in Rosetta Stoned.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Same.[/QUOTE]

Could I ask a really dumb question?

Why are you holding off on downloading the album?

That seems rather pointless.

I mean. If you want to buy the album, you still can. Even if you download it now.

So I really don't get it....

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Could I ask a really dumb question?

Why are you holding off on downloading the album?

That seems rather pointless.

I mean. If you want to buy the album, you still can. Even if you download it now.

So I really don't get it....[/QUOTE]
This may still sound dumb to you, but I'll try to explain it. We want to experience the album to the fullest. We want to arrive at the CD store on May 2nd, buy the album, put it in the CD player and hear something intirely fresh. Listening to the album pretty much destroys any sense of surprise. And why not respect the bands wishes and hear it when it comes out?

Anyone heard any rumors for opening bands? I've heard Isis, but haven't seen anything on it since then.

If it's just Tool, how long do you think they'll play for? I'm hoping for 2+ hours of just Tool.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]This may still sound dumb to you, but I'll try to explain it. We want to experience the album to the fullest. We want to arrive at the CD store on May 2nd, buy the album, put it in the CD player and hear something intirely fresh. Listening to the album pretty much destroys any sense of surprise. And why not respect the bands wishes and hear it when it comes out?[/QUOTE]


Umm. That made perfect sense in an oppsite way.

I hate surprises & can't stand them ever. So obviously that's prolly a reason I couldn't see that. Umm. I just think the music is the music. It doesn't matter when I hear it, it's the quality of it.
Umm... As The Official MX Pirate I obviously choose to download leaks and such. Just a matter of what you like. Artists wishes aren't my huge thing but w/e. That's my two cents.

Thanks. I have to listen later when I've got nothing to do to 10,000 Days. I figure I might as well give it a chance even though I hate Tool, at least I'd be able to bash it then. At least having heard it, if I didn't like it. haha.

Cheers!

It's just the sheer excitement of buying the album as soon as it's available. We love Tool that much. :)

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]Yeai noted alot of riffs during the cd that are very close to their previous stuff. I heard stuff similar to 46 and 2 i heard a couple identical to Third Eye, one reminded me of a part in Lateralus. Thats why i thought this was maybe a b-sides of earlier songs, that and the fact that there isn't much progression from Lateralus besides obviousl Wings and Rosetta Stone. I also here a pretty similar riff from H. in Rosetta Stoned.[/QUOTE]Yeah, parts of Rosetta Stoned sound exactly like Third Eye, and a part in Right in Two is right out of 46 & 2. Its not a huge deal, and bands always use the same formula of past albums, its just a few of these similar riffs sound a bit too close to be homages and more like the band f*cking with us. I'm starting to think half the leaked album is a prank, and the final will have some other songs.

I think that you guys are reading into this WAAAY too much. The album leaked. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Umm. That made perfect sense in an oppsite way.

I hate surprises & can't stand them ever. So obviously that's prolly a reason I couldn't see that. [/QUOTE]

Damn, man...live a little! Life would be so dull without a little shock and awe.*

Anyways, the album seems to be growing on me track by track. Vicarious has really grown on me, I'm really starting to like it. Jambi is really starting to grow on me as well...yes, parts of it have a very clear Aenima feel (H, in particular), but it's a fantastic track.



*Yes, that was deliberate.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I think that you guys are reading into this WAAAY too much. The album leaked. Deal with it.

.[/QUOTE]


Seriously. Albums leak. The band isn't playing a prank. You're not that special. :p

The only problem that I have with calling this album a prank or compilation of B sides is the title track; who in their right mind would release something of this nature with the title track being about the life of their mother?

That would be like calling your mom 'not good enough' or something. Do you guys get where I'm coming from or not at all?

Instead of everyone ignoring me for once is there any chance I am listening to a different 10,00 days and wings for Marie?

My one is light throughout and atmospheric and every one elses through the way they are describing it and how he sings seems to be heavy?

Yeah there is one or 2 riffs but no vocals and lasts for 30 sec at max...

Nah, you probably have the same one. There's one heavy riff that seems out of place, then there's a buildup.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]This may still sound dumb to you, but I'll try to explain it. We want to experience the album to the fullest. We want to arrive at the CD store on May 2nd, buy the album, put it in the CD player and hear something intirely fresh. Listening to the album pretty much destroys any sense of surprise. And why not respect the bands wishes and hear it when it comes out?[/QUOTE]

I coudn't have said it better myself.:chug: What you say about respect is funny to me cause it makes me wonder how many hardcore "Tool changed my life and got me into sacred geometry and metaphysics" fans there are in here that waited five years for this album, but can't wait another two weeks.

[QUOTE=lucky luciano]I coudn't have said it better myself.:chug: What you say about respect is funny to me cause it makes me wonder how many hardcore "Tool changed my life and got me into sacred geometry and metaphysics" fans there are in here that waited five years for this album, but can't wait another two weeks.[/QUOTE]

5 years is long enough it is out there so we dont have to 2 weeks...

[QUOTE=Shadius]Rubbish.

If you went to a few Mars Volta gigs, i'm sure you'd hear segments of improv that they might turn into stuff on their next album. This is similar.[/QUOTE]
What sort of sane person would go to a Mars Volta gig, the fact you have been to a few is blowing my mind.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]This may still sound dumb to you, but I'll try to explain it. We want to experience the album to the fullest. We want to arrive at the CD store on May 2nd, buy the album, put it in the CD player and hear something intirely fresh. Listening to the album pretty much destroys any sense of surprise. And why not respect the bands wishes and hear it when it comes out?[/QUOTE]
That's brilliant, I am doing the exect same thing. I can't bring myself to download the CD plus in Australia it is released on 29th of April. Vicarious is all I have heard so far.[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Umm. That made perfect sense in an oppsite way.

I hate surprises & can't stand them ever. So obviously that's prolly a reason I couldn't see that. Umm. I just think the music is the music. It doesn't matter when I hear it, it's the quality of it.
Umm... As The Official MX Pirate I obviously choose to download leaks and such. Just a matter of what you like. Artists wishes aren't my huge thing but w/e. That's my two cents.

Thanks. I have to listen later when I've got nothing to do to 10,000 Days. I figure I might as well give it a chance even though I hate Tool, at least I'd be able to bash it then. At least having heard it, if I didn't like it. haha.

Cheers![/QUOTE]
You are awsome (wrong)



edit: Did Tool do there trademark april fools prank this year? Because a fake leaked CD just might be the ultimate prank.

[QUOTE=Rothmans]5 years is long enough it is out there so we dont have to 2 weeks...[/QUOTE]
You need to experience the feeling I spoke of for yourself... to bad you've already ruined it by downloading.

If you want to wait for the album and enjoy the anticipation of buying it and tearing off the plastic and putting it in your stereo and listening to it, then that's fine and dandy. That's your preferred way of experiencing Tool. Others might have the same experience with a new Tool album by downloading it and listening to it all the way through, as you would have. So what if we didn't wait until May 2nd and tear off the plastic and put the cd in our stereo and feel all the *anticipation*? It doesn't take away any of the experience for us, although it might for you, and that I can understand. I also don't see how this is such a huge disrespect to the band, sure they didn't want it to leak but it leaked, we all plan to buy this album on May 2nd so its not like we are just listening to it and not supporting the band. Which is why I disagree with you when you say "to bad you've already ruined it by downloading." Ruined what? If thats how he likes to experience Tool, and doesn't feel it to be any different from your way of experiencing them, then that doesn't make him any less of a Tool fan than you, nor does it make his way the least bit "wrong" or "ruined".

A downloader could never understand.

No, I know exactly what you mean, I just don't think there is any "right" way to experience Tool. Everyone has their own way, anticipating the album and buying it the day it comes out isn't necessarily the only or best way of experiencing them for some people.

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]yadda yadda yadda[/QUOTE]
Well, when I say disrespect, I meen you are technically stealing from the band at this point, whether you buy it on May 2nd or not.

There's just such an awesome feeling when you run into that CD store and buy it fresh and new. Now you guys will never experience that with this record. But that doesn't matter, it's your choice. I can see how you could not care at all about what I'm talking about (the feeling I speak of), but... well... I don't care. As long as you try to experience the album to the fullest. :)

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]No, I know exactly what you mean, I just don't think there is any "right" way to experience Tool. Everyone has their own way, anticipating the album and buying it the day it comes out isn't necessarily the only or best way of experiencing them for some people.[/QUOTE]
Would you like it if you spent the last 5 years preparing something to show the world then 10 or so days before its release people start downoading this grand thing you have put all this time into and stealing your thunder.

I think it is a massive showing of disrespect to the band and a true fan of any band would never to that to them out of there own personal greed to hear it a few days earlier. If you werent a Tool fan I wouldnt care but your avatar says different, you should feel truly ashamed of yourself.

Yeah, I get the stealing part. That's understandable, and I get what you are saying. I know what it's like to wait out an album and buy it after waiting etc., it is awesome, but I felt the same way downloading it. And I'm still f'ucking excited to buy it, just for the possibility that it might be different and for the artwork.

EDIT: I personally would not care if I spent the last 5 years preparing an album to show the world and people started downloading it 10 days before it came out. I don't care when they hear it as long as they hear it. I know my true fans will go out and buy it regardless, so it honestly doesn't offend me if someone downloaded an album I put a lot of work into, sure I would be angered if people did that and didn't buy the album/see the art, but the kids who do that aren't the type of kids I'd want hearing my music anyways.

How old are you?

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]Would you like it if you spent the last 5 years preparing something to show the world then 10 or so days before its release people start downoading this grand thing you have put all this time into and stealing your thunder.

I think it is a massive showing of disrespect to the band and a true fan of any band would never to that to them out of there own personal greed to hear it a few days earlier. If you werent a Tool fan I wouldnt care but your avatar says different, you should feel truly ashamed of yourself.[/QUOTE]


Wow. I don't know where to start, other than you're making an idiot of yourself.

1. Who are you to describe what a "true fan" is?
2. Stealing their thunder? really! Stealing their music & claiming it your own would more so fall under that.
3. Disrespect the band? What are you five years old? This is most likely why I've learned Tool fanboys are worse than any others. They try to "think deep" like Maynard attempts.
3. Personal Greed? Hmm. I think it's just what someone wants to do. Just because they download the album doesn't mean they won't buy it. You ever thought someone would be SO EAGER to hear their favorite bands new CD, that's only a click away?
4. Why should he feel bad? A fan is someone who likes the music. If he can't wait to hear it, that's his choice. Once again. Who are you to decide a "true fan"?

5. It doesn't hurt you if someone else wants to hear something before you do. It's each persons choice and style.

[QUOTE=infinate_ammo]How old are you?[/QUOTE]


That's better reversed onto you.

Almost 16, but I think thats highly irrelevant. Do you see what I'm saying though? I understand what you're saying, this is just my opinion. But you're probably going to use my age as an argument against me anyways.