they did it when Megadeth and Metallica toured together. I think 'deth did Seek and Destory though...hell they probabley did more then what we know

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]they did it when Megadeth and Metallica toured together. I think 'deth did Seek and Destory though...hell they probabley did more then what we know[/QUOTE]
God damnit i wish i wasn't too obsessed w/ ****ty music back then so i could have seen this... DAMNIT:mad: :mad: :mad:

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]they did it when Megadeth and Metallica toured together. I think 'deth did Seek and Destory though...hell they probabley did more then what we know[/QUOTE]
Any ideas what Metallica did? I'd really like to know.

Look it up i guess.

In My Darkest Hour, Holy Wars (yes Kirk can play that), Symphony of Destruction and Hangar 18 is what I know they did

Holy wars isn't particularly hard. It's just a bitch to nail if your trying to do it perfectly.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]In My Darkest Hour, Holy Wars (yes Kirk can play that), Symphony of Destruction and Hangar 18 is what I know they did[/QUOTE]
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No...way.

I really can't see that happening. I'm not saying Megadeth are better than Metallica but I really can't see them playing those. Especially the solos on IMDH, I didn't know Kirk could play that fast.

Kirk is a lot better of a guitarist then albums make him out to be.

no Holy Wars isn't hard nor is IMDH but people don't play Kirk to much without knowing his real talent. Kirk said in GW that he plans on making a solo album after Metallica

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]Kirk is a lot better of a guitarist then albums make him out to be.

no Holy Wars isn't hard nor is IMDH but people don't play Kirk to much without knowing his real talent. Kirk said in GW that he plans on making a solo album after Metallica[/QUOTE]
After Metallica? I hope they're not planning on breaking up any time soon. It'd be interesting to hear.

[QUOTE=Aw3someman]Holy wars isn't particularly hard. It's just a bitch to nail if your trying to do it perfectly.[/QUOTE]

Yea it took my a while to get all the parts down. THe hard part was timing it correctly and then singing with it

[QUOTE=Happy]After Metallica? I hope they're not planning on breaking up any time soon. It'd be interesting to hear.[/QUOTE]

he didn't say that it would be anytime soon (remember they are still under contract for 2 more studio albums) he just said he would like to put one out but Metallica is his main thing and he doesn't want to start a side project and get pulled away from Metallica into that

[QUOTE=Britton]Yea it took my a while to get all the parts down. THe hard part was timing it correctly and then singing with it[/QUOTE]
You can sing and play it at the same time?

Any recordings?

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]he didn't say that it would be anytime soon (remember they are still under contract for 2 more studio albums) he just said he would like to put one out but Metallica is his main thing and he doesn't want to start a side project and get pulled away from Metallica into that[/QUOTE]
Hasn't Kirk been talking about the a solo album for a few years now?

I don't know about years but I know we was talking about doing one in Guitar World

What are your favourite lyrics? myn have to be "the four horseman"

Sanitarium has good lyrics. Im a serious BMX rider and nothing pumps me up more when im riding than some Metallica.

I like the lyrics from [I]Escape[/I] the most.

The lyrics in Sanitarium and The Thing That Should Not Be are good.

I had fun playing along to Master of Puppets, Disposable Heroes and Orion a lil earlier...sometihng i hadnt done in a long time.

I had to stop 2 or 3 times in Diposable Heroes for a few second break though..

My favorite lyrics are all probably from the load era. FixXxer has some pretty damn good lyrics, as well as many others which I can't think of since I haven't listened to them in so long.

I personally like Carpe Diem Baby and Where the Wild Things Are

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]see what I mean...John Petriucci (if he was downing picking which I think he wasn't) can hardly do it because alt. picking is that much easier. down pickers > alt. pickers. If Hetfield went to alt. picking or if Kirk did that I'm telling they would be a whole lot better and faster.[/QUOTE]

ZOMGZ Petrucci can't downpick it all! ZOMGZ!

Hetfield has been "downpicking everything" for 20 years. Petrucci hasn't. If you switch the roles, Petrucci would be better at downpicking everything and Hetfield would alt everything. It makes no difference.

It's like saying "well, Nicko McBrain is better than George Kollias at using a single kick pedal", or "well, Steve DiGiorgio is better than Jason Newsted at finger picking on bass". If Nicko had used doubles and George singles, George would be a lot better at single and Nicko better at double. If Newsted used his fingers in death/thrash bands 100%, he'd be better than a DiGiorgio with a pick. It makes no difference.

Honestly, people rip on Petrucci for being self-indulgent and a "wanker", but then everybody jizzes over Hetfield "downpicking everything", when there is no physically possible way to downpick triplets at 180bpm 16ths. That's why death metal guitarists alternate pick - there's no possible way to downpick every single note in 32nds at 110bpm or faster.

Edit: Holy Wars is physically impossible on bass. Tr00f. I have to pick the line

E|00000-1012-000-1512

even with 3mm picks.

If you're properly warmed up, Battery on bass with fingers isn't hard. It's a bit tiring, but it's not hard at all.

[QUOTE=Happy]You can sing and play it at the same time?

Any recordings?[/QUOTE]

No not at the moment. My band is gonna cover it when are drummer learns it. but we also need a bassist...so it falls into a pile of other great songs I can play and sing...that the band won't/cant do.

It's one of the 3 Megadeth songs I know!

when It gets recorded I'll send it over to you. I can't sing like Dave...so I put my own little twist on it

[QUOTE=vashts80]
Edit: Holy Wars is physically impossible on bass. Tr00f. I have to pick the line

E|00000-1012-000-1512

even with 3mm picks.

If you're properly warmed up, Battery on bass with fingers isn't hard. It's a bit tiring, but it's not hard at all.[/QUOTE]

I know both songs on bass fingerpicked, but i usually use pick, it's more comfortable.

It's almost impossible like you said, but the main basslines are simple, belive me that song sounds really bad fingerpicked.

Battery is easier because is repetitive and once you learn the lines is piece of cake.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid]I know both songs on bass fingerpicked, but i usually use pick, it's more comfortable.

It's almost impossible like you said, but the main basslines are simple, belive me that song sounds really bad fingerpicked.

Battery is easier because is repetitive and once you learn the lines is piece of cake.[/QUOTE]


I had sucha frickin hard time with the ending of Battery....I still haven't learned it all...it just got so frusterating.

So I only play the intro

I just finished reading the Kirk edition of Guitar World magazine and it says that they downpick everything except where it's impossible.

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]I just finished reading the Kirk edition of Guitar World magazine and it says that they downpick everything except where it's impossible.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and some people think that they downpick [I]everything[/I]. Like Whiplash, Fight Fire With Fire and Damage Inc.

Well they definetely downpick more than most other bands. Although I couldn't care less really how they pick as long as it sounds good.

Down pics sound heavier so thats why the use them most of the time
It just sounds more metal........

[QUOTE=iluvkirkhammett]I just finished reading the Kirk edition of Guitar World magazine and it says that they downpick everything except where it's impossible.[/QUOTE]

I believe it. Do you have the CD for it too? I just subscribed. The Randy Rhoads tribute is awesome.

[QUOTE]Down pics sound heavier so thats why the use them most of the time
It just sounds more metal........[/QUOTE]

Exactly. If you turn up your distortion all the way you can easily tell which is heavier, down or alt picking. But yes, it's all about the sound.

Anyone hear any more about the album coming out soon?

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Well they definetely downpick more than most other bands. Although I couldn't care less really how they pick as long as it sounds good.[/QUOTE]
Not as much as punk bands. I remember seeing an argument on these forums between some guy who didn't believe Metallica ever Downpicked and some Metallica fan trying to tell him different. Was very funny. He described 'Tallica as a crappy punk band.

Okay, so going back a wee bit.

Holy Wars isn't that hard on lead guitar, I'm sure, and neither is IMDH. My lead guitarist can play them both. He's only been playing a little over 2 years. I'm sure Kirk could manage.

If Metallica did play those songs, someone MUST have bootlegged them. If that's the case, I want them now! :p

I'm sure downpicking sounds different on guitar than alt picking, but on bass, when I pick, I use economy picking. I can't tell the difference between how that sounds and downpicking on my bass tbh.

And that Holy Wars riff on bass? Its possible with fingers. I learnt it with fingers, but it sounded muddy, and I got a more Ellefson tone with a pick (obviously). I also don't play it all on one string. I play open Es and use the 5, 7 and 10th frets on the A... Don't know how much of a difference that makes.

Battery is much easier than Holy Wars on bass IMO.

And my favourite lyrics? Possibly I Disappear, but don't hold me to that :p

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[QUOTE=fatbandit]And that Holy Wars riff on bass? Its possible with fingers. I learnt it with fingers, but it sounded muddy, and I got a more Ellefson tone with a pick (obviously). I also don't play it all on one string. I play open Es and use the 5, 7 and 10th frets on the A... Don't know how much of a difference that makes. [/QUOTE]

Playing it on one string just makes it easier IMO..I'm not good at fast playing plus string skipping with a pick, that's why I've tried it all on the E. Playing it all on the E string also mades the tone a bit beefier. Whenever I'm playing something that I can play on the lower strings, I try and do, because I like the slightly deeper sound it gets.

Holy Wars is not impossible to play with fingers. You just need a good finger picking technique. If you practice your finger picking enough it can be just as efficent as tremolo picking with a pick. Ill post a recording soon to prove it.

Yeh, its possible, just doesn't sound as good IMO. Coming from a primarily fingers player.

I find it easier to play on the E and A tbh, but whatever works for you :)

My advice for that, is learn good alt/economy picking, don't just rely on downstrokes. Even if you do that already, learn more! :)

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[QUOTE=Happy]Not as much as punk bands. I remember seeing an argument on these forums between some guy who didn't believe Metallica ever Downpicked and some Metallica fan trying to tell him different. Was very funny. He described 'Tallica as a crappy punk band.[/QUOTE]

Yea but punk bands usually use simpler riffs and usually small or not solos. So it's alot easier to downpick most of the time even though it's quite fast most of the time.

Holy Wars is really easy. I've been playing for a year and I can play and sing it.
I'm sure Metallica could manage just fine.

Depends on how quick you pick things up. I still find Holy Wars to be tricky these days and I've been playing for quite a while now.

Yar! in another learning news... I learn't Am I Evil? in about an hour. Great song to play along to.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]Depends on how quick you pick things up. I still find Holy Wars to be tricky these days and I've been playing for quite a while now.

Yar! in another learning news... I learn't Am I Evil? in about an hour. Great song to play along to.[/QUOTE]

same

did you tab it out(i did)

To all the talk about downpicking, I think its damn hilarious when people trying to learn guitar are awestruck when you play some easy economy picking leads.