[QUOTE=Otherside]
This speculation is pointless, just wait for the album.
[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Werny]I recall Danny saying that the new album is heavier and less complex then Lateralus, so how can he also say that it's the most complex stuff he's played on? CONSPIRACY, that's what!

Tool hardcores, as Danny Carey is GOD (**** STRAIGHT) said, are in a state of illusion that because they are heavily into the spiritual aspects and everything they are automatically deemed top of the mountain. They're my favourite band, but I don't think I'm like that.

They don't understand that seeing mystical beings whilst on shrooms listening to Tool doesn't make them better people. Probably makes em more stupid.

I have now learnt to shed all previous inhibitions about the album, wait it out, and embrace the random. Opiate was immature and youthful, and it was awesome, so even IF they turn death/speed prog, it would still probably rock.

Jeezus, I'm looking forward to this album more then I was Halo2... can't be good (I hated Halo2). meh.[/QUOTE]


Danny's srumming will be even more tchnical, because he discovered a great influence in Tomas Haake (drummer for meshuggah)
I think they are just telling us all sorts of things to keep us in stress, and so that we don't have a clue what to exspect.

but we all know, Tool won't disappoint us ;)

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I'm gonna wait it out!

-the patient

listening to tool whilst on shrooms, peyote, or lsd will shatter the known.

i might not consider myself better than you, because i dont compare me to you.
but my soul has definately grown and my understanding of existence and non-existence has been penetrated beyond some of it's most vunerable holes.

i recommend tool with X. that is, to glimpse the unconditional love, life and death.

"dont knock it till you try it" you, yourself have to make the wager, and the next step to experience and then you may claim it as knowledge.

just a note,

there is a downloadable version of comfortably numb, which may be by tool...
i cant say for sure if it is.

*there is no prescence of danny on drums
*the vocals are not clear

do a search for it and listen for yourself. you might like it regardless...

[QUOTE=Otherside]123[/QUOTE]

Double 123.

Everyone stop coming in here talking about how this album is going to be heavier and more complex or less complex or whatever you've heard. We've all heard it as well, there's no point in re-hashing it over and over and trying to find the deeper meaning in Justin's more complex basslines. Jesus Christ, give it a rest.


EDIT: By all means this post is not meant to promote no discussion of the new album, but really we all know about the more complex basslines, heavier feel etc. People are making too many assumptions based on brief statements given by the band or a represenative. If you hear/read something about the new album, by all means share it here and feel free to discuss it, but enough jumping to conclusions already.

i would actually like to here more odd time tribal tendencies on the new album

Kage...wtf? that is basically what we are here for, to discuss what we want and what we think we'll get.

As for the fanboy thing, alot of tool fans are very arrogant about tool's music. And have very closed minds about what people should listen to, kind of ironic huh? But yeah that's why they are so resented.

And the new thread, I s'pose we should vote on it. Just link to this thread then when the search comes back people can trawl through for stuff like the quabla etc. Jsst need to decide on...

-A title
-Content
-Who gets first post

[QUOTE=clearvision]Kage...wtf? that is basically what we are here for, to discuss what we want and what we think we'll get.

As for the fanboy thing, alot of tool fans are very arrogant about tool's music. And have very closed minds about what people should listen to, kind of ironic huh? But yeah that's why they are so resented.

And the new thread, I s'pose we should vote on it. Just link to this thread then when the search comes back people can trawl through for stuff like the quabla etc. Jsst need to decide on...

-A title
-Content
-Who gets first post[/QUOTE]

Yes, but there is a difference between asking somebody why he/she does not like the band and flaming that person. If I recall correctly, you rep- me because I called the person into question.

My feeling is that if somebody flames a band, they should explain themselves.

he said it pretty well. i only flame people if they are just being assholes

I'm sorry but...

"Superpeer, I take it you aren't a prog rock fan and you aren't patient."

...Is a needless comment, people don't have to like tool. They are not the be all and end all of prog. That fully deserved neg rep because it was an ignorant post.

Superpeer does hate Tool with a passion though.

I was posting in the R&M community thread(this was right after the cheating with the polls concerning Tool) and I said something along the lines of "They give real Tool fans a bad name" Which he responded to with "You already have a bad name: You listen to Tool."


...

:lol: My opinions of superpeer just fell...But it was the ignorance of the comment that annoyed me. I know alot of people that hate bands with a passion for their image, like manson, CoF. And people that hate bands for their music, slipknot, linkin park. It doesn't really matter what your music tastes are, just don't be ignorant towards other peoples tastes, not all music is liked by everyone. This is a big message in tools music 'think for yourself, question authority' It is very ironic how the fanboys worship tool and are so closeminded with other styles of music.

/Rant over

Nah Superpeer is cool most of the time, I just think he rabidly hates Tool for some reason. But your right about everything else...

Today at the cd store me and my friend found a tool dvd titled Toology. It looked ok and it was only 12 bucks. Is this worth picking up?

No, Toology is a unofficial documetary DVD.

I've never seen it.

Has anybody seen it... cuz if its good I'd like to pick it up.

Or does it suck like Revolution USA for RATM?

ive never seen it, my friend said it sucks though

It's completely awful. It's a "documentary" with mostly made up bullsh[COLOR=White]it[/COLOR]. For fu[COLOR=White]ck[/COLOR]'s sake, they don't even pronounce "Aenima" right.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Kage...wtf? that is basically what we are here for, to discuss what we want and what we think we'll get.[/QUOTE]

By all means, I want to discuss the new album, etc. But I'm just tired of every newb coming in here talking about the same things and speculating based on very little information. Basically, it's like they're taking some comments from the band and making them out to be these set-in-stone things. That's what Tool fanboys do and they annoy me.

Oh ok..thanks dude you just saved me 12 bucks.

[QUOTE=clearvision]I'm sorry but...

"Superpeer, I take it you aren't a prog rock fan and you aren't patient."

...Is a needless comment, people don't have to like tool. They are not the be all and end all of prog. That fully deserved neg rep because it was an ignorant post.[/QUOTE]

$hit, did I say that?

Well, I hope that some of you know that I'm NOT a fanboy. I've actually been on record here criticizing Tool's lyrics.

Also Clearvision, I guess you should know that my friends have tried to listen to Lateralus but could not because of their failure to listen to melodies. I can't respect people who do not have the patience to listen through the whole song to appreciate it. But it was certainly an unfair assumption to make.

[QUOTE=clearvision]It doesn't really matter what your music tastes are, just don't be ignorant towards other peoples tastes, not all music is liked by everyone. This is a big message in tools music 'think for yourself, question authority' It is very ironic how the fanboys worship tool and are so closeminded with other styles of music.

/Rant over[/QUOTE]

Well, you just did the same thing as me. You made an ignorant statement.
1. You called me a fanboy
2. You're saying I don't think for myself.
3. You're saying I'm close-minded.
My statement was a question, granted a bad one. I had a good intention in questioning a person who did not explain themselves. When you go into another band's thread and say "I just really don't like (insert band here)", then you better be able to explain yourself. He didn't. I called him out for it. Maybe I reacted thay way because he just threw out a broad flame. Something that is evident on this board.

Use the edit button dude..

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Use the edit button dude..[/QUOTE]

That is also a very valid point. :thumb:

[QUOTE=conciousuniverse]listening to tool whilst on shrooms, peyote, or lsd will shatter the known.

i might not consider myself better than you, because i dont compare me to you.
but my soul has definately grown and my understanding of existence and non-existence has been penetrated beyond some of it's most vunerable holes.

i recommend tool with X. that is, to glimpse the unconditional love, life and death.

"dont knock it till you try it" you, yourself have to make the wager, and the next step to experience and then you may claim it as knowledge.[/QUOTE]

Not bagging you. You're an awesome person. It's the fans that experience what you've experienced, and think that they are gods and others don't deserve to talk around them.

Ok, no more speculation. Over analyzing seperates the body from the mind...

The next album will kick arse.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Today at the cd store me and my friend found a tool dvd titled Toology. It looked ok and it was only 12 bucks. Is this worth picking up?[/QUOTE]
That is the biggest hunk of crap ever produced. You would be better served by taking that 12 bucks and buying a Boy George cd.

SonarKen, so true.

We have Toology and it is a big waste of time and money.
Out of the entire video, there was only on commentator who actually was a listener of Tool and understood the band. And then, he only says what we already know.

If you are looking for a quality DVD, check ebay.
I bought a 3 Disc Set for only $20
Its got about 20 live concert video (good sound quality and visuals)
It has everything from Hooker with a ***** to 46 & 2 to Lateralus.
One of the DVDs is soley the Tool Music Videos, including Hush.
There are 3 or 4 interviews, one of which is 1 hour long.
The band goes into great detail on their philosophies as artist, the purpose of the music, and their future outlook.

I recommend this product for any Tool fan that is looking for high quality ripped concert videos ect, but it shouldnt be long until Tool release the official Dvd, so you may want to save your money.

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Werny, sorry for the miscommunication. Keep it real! :)

i got Toology for 2 bucks, i was dissapointed, but not upset...

[quote] Justin's bassline, which he described as being so fast and complex that it seemed "inhuman". [/quote]

(heh i know that was a while ago >.<)

im an inpiring bassist and i play Tool songs as much as i can because of the fact they are complex and sound incredible (even with my lack of tuning skill >.<). Schism is one of the least complicated songs but it sounds incredible, the hardest one ive found is either Triad or Sober; the 4 strings blows my mind. but ya im not a very good bassist but as most i cant wait for the new album. although i wont say a **** word about it because i know only as much as anyone who said anything about it.


as for anything else on tool. i dont consider myself a fanboy, i do own one of the shirts though. they are simply my favorite band and produce lyrics and music that will either:

1) blow ones mind

or

2) open it to a new perspective

2 is what happened to me, all because of Reflection im not a narcissistic ninny 8-)

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and about the song order

i noticed while listening to it for like the 4billionth time the songs follow a less then logical order and didnt seem to follow one another perfectly, then rearanging the songs?... magic...

I remember watching Toology and they pronounced Paul Demores name wrong, and all this bogus information about the band. Why did they even make it in the first place?

If Justin is indeed writing 'inhuman' basslines, I can't wait for them.

Seriously, so far, the only person I listen to with 'inhuman' material is Dream Theater.

If Tool's material starts matching their in terms of inhumanness...wow...:amaze:

I wouldnt be surprised if Justin was writing Inhuman material, He seemed to get better on every album IMO

why do so many people doubt how good this next album will be? for all we know it could be better than Lateralus, i mean we know they make great music so why worry so much, look forward to it, dont be scared of what it could be

[QUOTE=keeponslipping]why do so many people doubt how good this next album will be? for all we know it could be better than Lateralus, i mean we know they make great music so why worry so much, look forward to it, dont be scared of what it could be[/QUOTE]
I guess its the human curiosity to speculate what a band will sound like after not making a album for some time. Im not really worried about the new album, Because well....lets face it. [B]ITS TOOL[/B]

What else are we gonna talk about?

I'd rather speculate about the album than say how much I love Adam Jones.

Ok, let's talk about APC.


Do you guys think they'll come out with a new album? And if they do, will they replace half the members again?

[QUOTE=Otherside]Ok, let's talk about APC.


Do you guys think they'll come out with a new album? And if they do, will they replace half the members again?[/QUOTE]

I think that because APC is so patchworked, that Maynard will concentrate on Tool until he retires from music (I think he's forty). LOL, sorry.

I liked Mer De Noms and Thirteenth Step... Didn't like eMotive much.

I only liked the first 4 songs on emotive...

I think Thirteenth Step was amazing. I do think they'll release a new album at some point, but what shape or form the band will be in is hard to guess. I don't see Billy Howerdel just quitting his project, but Maynard does need to focus on Tool for a year or two now.