Idk I heard Thrashed, Lost & Strungout too. I was dissapointed in that as well. I don't see your thing on Escape, sounds like Thrash to me. Sixpounder had it's melodic parts. This Bodom just isn't my thing at all, and I can't stand to see yet another band do this. Metallica already went, as did In Flames. Next thing you know Maiden will be making Metalcore.

[QUOTE]Next thing you know Maiden will be making Metalcore.[/QUOTE]Perish the thought.

[QUOTE]I don't see your thing on Escape, sounds like Thrash to me. Sixpounder had it's melodic parts.[/QUOTE]Escape sounded weaker than St. Anger, to me. Basically, I'm just saying that it's just one song, and a lot of albums have one bad apple. Something Wild was great, and most people don't like In The Shadows.

I love In the Shadows I don't see a problem with it. It's just that if you played me this song and you played me something from Hatebreeder I wouldn't be able to tell you it was the same band. There are no similarities left. The vocals are different, the keyboard isn't really powermetal anymore. The guitar is way heavier and there aren't really any leads. The riffs weren't even that great.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Idk I heard Thrashed, Lost & Strungout too. I was dissapointed in that as well. I don't see your thing on Escape, sounds like Thrash to me. Sixpounder had it's melodic parts. This Bodom just isn't my thing at all, and I can't stand to see yet another band do this. Metallica already went, as did In Flames. Next thing you know Maiden will be making Metalcore.[/QUOTE]


That's called evolving. Bands do it, it normally makes them better.

In Your Face definetly has some great Melodic parts too.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]I love In the Shadows I don't see a problem with it. It's just that if you played me this song and you played me something from Hatebreeder I wouldn't be able to tell you it was the same band. There are no similarities left. The vocals are different, the keyboard isn't really powermetal anymore. The guitar is way heavier and there aren't really any leads. The riffs weren't even that great.[/QUOTE]

Did we listen to the same song?

[QUOTE]I love In the Shadows I don't see a problem with it.[/QUOTE]I had a feeling you would do this. Most people don't, though, and CoB don't.

I wish I could download and give better thoughts on the subject, but my computer has gone to hell and is completely rejecting YSI.

Ehh I'm Jewish there's no reasoning with me. Especially during something like this, it's a big crisis in my world.. I was hoping they'd go in the opposite direction of Hatebreeder. I'd hate to call Bodom sellouts, and everyone calls it "evolution" but don't you people find it odd that whenever a band "evolves" they become more and more like the current scene of music?

The light just went out in my neighbor's window.

It is odd. It's not always for $$$++ though. It could be to get more radio play and fans, to be more relevant, or it's just the type of music they want to play.


These aren't really hardcore ways of doing things, but it does seem appealing to be a better known band. And bands don't just make music they don't like, they often pick styles that they like, just not as much as their main genre.

I'm sure a lot of local metal bands compromise to classic rock, which is their second favorite genre, because it's more agreeable and easier to get gigs.

Kthx.

/bad post++

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Ehh I'm Jewish there's no reasoning with me. Especially during something like this, it's a big crisis in my world.. I was hoping they'd go in the opposite direction of Hatebreeder. I'd hate to call Bodom sellouts, and everyone calls it "evolution" but don't you people find it odd that whenever a band "evolves" they become more and more like the current scene of music?[/QUOTE]

But they didn't!

What's Metalcore about that song? Just because it's a tad fast and has some more palm muting? That has nothing to do with Metalcore, it's just a move in a heavier direction.

Also, the term sellout is so stupid. What's wrong with the band wanting to make a more popular type of music? It's [i]there job[/i] to please the world with their music so they can make the money they need to pay for making the record, and to live. If they can do that and enjoy making the music, who cares what you think?

Have you ever noticed that when bands evolve they become more popular? That's a common statement. Have you ever considered they become more popular because [i]they become a better band[/i]? It would only make sense you know.

Yes I see your points but being in a band myself the only thing that ever holds me back from doing something more like this or more like that is that I'm not capable of it as a writer. If I knew how to write anything I'd probably be more like old Bodom. Seeing as Bodom is capable of being old Bodom, I'd think they'd at least keep around some of the sound. Whenever bands "evolve" they always go the comptetely wrong way musically and do a more mainstream much much less technical and skillful route. If Bodom really evolved they'd be doing something more intricate like Wintersun.

If Bodom did it to get more fans or publicity that is selling out also. And as a musician I think that the easier the songs the more boring it is. Trashed, Lost & Stungout and In Your Face seem much less demanding in technical skill compared to Kissing the Shadows. I would think Alexi and Roope would thirst for a more technical route, instead of riffs, and lack of solos.

I write crap rock ala Simple Plan, and when not doing that, I'm doing songs that make no musical sense and are less intelligent than Limp Bizkit. I can't write anymore, though.


I'm working on thrash metal pieces ala Master Of Puppets era 'tallica, and I'm enjoying pushing myself as a songwriter. If I could, I'd be writing stuff like AJFA, but I have to play crap likeI mentioned at the beginning of this post becuase that's all I can do, and maybe it's better than nothing. They're kinda fun to play, though.

/needs to stop making bad posts.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]But they didn't!

What's Metalcore about that song? Just because it's a tad fast and has some more palm muting? That has nothing to do with Metalcore, it's just a move in a heavier direction.

Also, the term sellout is so stupid. What's wrong with the band wanting to make a more popular type of music? It's [i]there job[/i] to please the world with their music so they can make the money they need to pay for making the record, and to live. If they can do that and enjoy making the music, who cares what you think?

Have you ever noticed that when bands evolve they become more popular? That's a common statement. Have you ever considered they become more popular because [i]they become a better band[/i]? It would only make sense you know.[/QUOTE]
Being popular really has nothing to do with how good you are as a band, and in fact usually the worse of a band you are the more popular you are. Going by what you said, Ashlee Simpson is better than Bodom by 10 fold.

The song definately had a big metalcore influence. Listen to the intro. Count how many notes there are. Even a two year old could do it, because there is only 1 note. Metalcore also uses repeated palm mutes of one note like that, and they do it in the middle of the song especially, also known as a breakdown. The vocals also seem a bit metalcore. The scream is becoming less and less harsh. The whole mood of the song makes me think I'm listening to Bury Your Dead or something.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Yes I see your points but being in a band myself the only thing that ever holds me back from doing something more like this or more like that is that I'm not capable of it as a writer. If I knew how to write anything I'd probably be more like old Bodom. Seeing as Bodom is capable of being old Bodom, I'd think they'd at least keep around some of the sound. Whenever bands "evolve" they always go the comptetely wrong way musically and do a more mainstream much much less technical and skillful route. If Bodom really evolved they'd be doing something more intricate like Wintersun.

If Bodom did it to get more fans or publicity that is selling out also. And as a musician I think that the easier the songs the more boring it is. Trashed, Lost & Stungout and In Your Face seem much less demanding in technical skill compared to Kissing the Shadows. I would think Alexi and Roope would thirst for a more technical route, instead of riffs, and lack of solos.[/QUOTE]

You don't have to become more technical to evolve, you just have to gain a new sound you like.

Why is going the route of a more popular route "the wrong way"? That's borderline elitism. I'd argue this but I already did in my above post.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]You don't have to become more technical to evolve, you just have to gain a new sound you like.

Why is going the route of a more popular route "the wrong way"? That's borderline elitism. I'd argue this but I already did in my above post.[/QUOTE]
It's the wrong way because they do it for money, or popularity, or whatever else it is. It's only the right way if it's for the music. Entirely possible, yes, but it seems like a lot of bands do this and believing them all sounds a bit regodammdiculous if you ask me.

I listened to the song again, and I have nothing else to say I stand by everything I said. If I hadn't heard anything past FTR and you played me and I'd say I have no clue what band that is, but it definately isn't Bodom.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Being popular really has nothing to do with how good you are as a band, and in fact usually the worse of a band you are the more popular you are. Going by what you said, Ashlee Simpson is better than Bodom by 10 fold.[/QUOTE]

That excuse again? People always use that even though it makes no sense.

Obviously Ashlee Simpson is more popular, she's on top of [i]her[/i] genre. Whether you think the genre is BS or not doesn't matter.

If I were to look into the metal community and ask who most of their favorite bands were, I bet I'd get tons of Iron Maiden, Metallica, Pantera etc...Are those bands the worst of metal? No, they are simply great bands that became popular.

Edit:

Meh, I'm over it. You just think differently than I do (Hell, my name is Sliptallica, heh) and I just agree to disagree.

One thing though, we can't really judge if this song will put CoB into the mainstream until it is released. Maybe the Metalcore fans will agree with me.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]That excuse again? People always use that even though it makes no sense.

Obviously Ashlee Simpson is more popular, she's on top of [i]her[/i] genre. Whether you think the genre is BS or not doesn't matter.

If I were to look into the metal community and ask who most of their favorite bands were, I bet I'd get tons of Iron Maiden, Metallica, Pantera etc...Are those bands the worst of metal? No, they are simply great bands that became popular.

Edit:

Meh, I'm over it. You just think differently than I do (Hell, my name is Sliptallica, heh) and I just agree to disagree.

One thing though, we can't really judge if this song will put CoB into the mainstream until it is released. Maybe the Metalcore fans will agree with me.[/QUOTE]
What you said about the top of the metal genre may be true, but those are top bands of all time, not currently. Ashlee Simpson is not know as being a classic pop star like Michael Jackson for example, nor are Killswitch Engage known for being a classic metal band. What you said doesn't really apply because I am talking about current trends, not what metal has seen over the years.

To the cool new guy: I'll change your name on the forum.

I think IheartSP is overreacting. This needed to be said. Take a mai tai and go down by the lake and just chill :cool:

The new song is pretty good so far...

[QUOTE=TSASI]To the cool new guy: I'll change your name on the forum.[/QUOTE]
Thanks :D

[QUOTE=flamesofbodom]I think IheartSP is overreacting. This needed to be said. Take a mai tai and go down by the lake and just chill :cool:

The new song is pretty good so far...[/QUOTE]
Got a link to the song?

WTF no solo?

[QUOTE=TSASI]Got a link to the song?[/QUOTE]
Please?

[QUOTE=TSASI]Got a link to the song?[/QUOTE]

hxxp://s58.yousendit.com/d.php?id=3AVNUCNTK5A8O2ANB6HRUY8CGO

Personnaly..I don't like it, the intro is just boring, its gets very repeptitive. There's a pitiful solo compared to what Alexi and Janne usually do, not much of a melody. The background yelling by the band is annoying. When it goes quieter, that part annoys me. Overall I didn't like the song, most likely because I favor old Bodom.

[QUOTE=flamesofbodom]WTF no solo?[/QUOTE]
Go to 2:30, there isn't much to it, but it's there.

I've gotta say I'm very disappointed, it does sound metalcore. I'm not gonna judge Bodom's direction by this one song though, hopefully it's not all like this.

[QUOTE=EverytimeIBodom]hxxp://s58.yousendit.com/d.php?id=3AVNUCNTK5A8O2ANB6HRUY8CGO

Personnaly..I don't like it, the intro is just boring, its gets very repeptitive. There's a pitiful solo compared to what Alexi and Janne usually do, not much of a melody. The background yelling by the band is annoying. When it goes quieter, that part annoys me. Overall I didn't like the song, most likely because I favor old Bodom.[/QUOTE]

I'm listing to it right now, it's not bad but difinatly not great. It's nothing compared to old bodom. I still kinda like it though. The solo isn' t that great.

This song is much better than people say. I really like it. Not as much as the old though.

[QUOTE=TSASI]This song is much better than people say. I really like it. Not as much as the old though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's good. I'm just comparing it to old Bodom.

[QUOTE=TSASI]This song is much better than people say. I really like it. Not as much as the old though.[/QUOTE]
After listening to it repeatedly, I can't say I agree, It was boring and dull. Lifeless.

Yeah I'm definately with EverytimeIBodom here. I'm still gonna buy the album but I know I'm going to be dissapointed, and the only reason I'll listen is cuase it's labeled CoB.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Yeah I'm definately with EverytimeIBodom here. I'm still gonna buy the album but I know I'm going to be dissapointed, and the only reason I'll listen is cuase it's labeled CoB.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I'll also buy it, for that reason and because I shall be seeing them in nov. and they'll be touring on that album, and it sucks when you dont know the songs that your favorite band is playing

I'm going to see them too. I'd go even if they played 1 old song it'd be worth it.