[QUOTE]
I know that the NBA isn't the best representation but you were reffering to that in your previous post.[/QUOTE]

no I was being facetious and saying that you let the NBA be your judge for basketball by saing that basketball boils down to "110-95 games with no strategy"

[QUOTE]What's the first thing people notice when they see the stats of a player? Their points.[/QUOTE]

that's the first thing people notice when they look at the stats of anyone in any sport.

[QUOTE]I just find in the NBA the offensive players are recognized way more.[/QUOTE]

same thing as every sport

who gets the most attention in baseball? the best hitters
who gets the most attention in football? quarterbacks and running backs
who gets the most attention in hockey? the top goal scorers

[QUOTE]Suicide squeez, when to change pitchers, hit and run, what pitch to throw, drag bunting. But that's just off the top of my head

There's bunting.

Bunting/hitting strategies.
Hitting to other sides of the field when the situation calls for it.
Baserunning strategies (hugely overlooked)
Pitching strategies
Ways to set up your fielders based on who's on base and who's up to bat[/QUOTE]

how many people here have actually played baseball? because personally I've never thought about any of this stuff when I'm playing baseball. it's like what I said, you never plan ahead in baseball and isn't that what strategy is?

That's because they are very subtle. Every play is extremely critical so one of those plays can win the game.

Baseball doesn't even have plays.

I played baseball up until this year. I was hopefully getting a scholarship, but at the end I decided I couldn't do it anymore because I didn't want to.

I'm convinced it's why my dad hates me now.

[QUOTE=The Door Mouse;15871176] Every play is extremely critical so one of those plays can win the game.[/QUOTE]

that has nothing to do with strategy. you can't plan ahead in baseball. any "strategy" is basically changed with every pitch.

I played baseball in second grade, but my parents wouldn't let me anymore becuase I would always get pissed and throw bats at people.

@ Coke: [QUOTE]Suicide squeez, when to change pitchers, hit and run, what pitch to throw, drag bunting. But that's just off the top of my head[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]who gets the most attention in baseball? the best hitters
who gets the most attention in football? quarterbacks and running backs
who gets the most attention in hockey? the top goal scorers[/QUOTE]

Baseball: Golden Glove award
Football: can't argue
Hockey: Vezina Trophy

Strategy doesn't necessarily mean plan ahead.

[quote]Exactly. Hitting it to the part of the field that isn't being well covered is more common sense than strategy.[/quote]

All sports have an element of common sense to them, but doing those things that are so obvious - scoring on a penalty shot/breakaway, hitting free throws, not double faulting, hitting the alleyway, putting two feet inbounds, etc. - can be extremely difficult to do, even for professionals.

[quote]personally I've never thought about any of this stuff when I'm playing baseball.[/quote]

Because it's your job to play the game, not manage it. If you have any coaching or managerial experience, you'll realize how different it is from playing the game. As a manager, you plan ahead. As a player, you take each at-bat, possession, period, quarter, etc. at a time.

[QUOTE]scoring on a penalty shot/breakaway, hitting free throws, not double faulting, hitting the alleyway, putting two feet inbounds, etc. - can be extremely difficult to do, even for professionals.[/QUOTE]
Has more to do with skill than strategy though. I mean there's an element of strategy most it's mostly intuition from knowing the game. Obviously all sports have this but still.

[QUOTE=Jom;15871193]
Because it's your job to play the game, not manage it. If you have any coaching or managerial experience, you'll realize how different it is from playing the game. As a manager, you plan ahead. As a player, you take each at-bat, possession, period, quarter, etc. at a time.[/QUOTE]

yeah but in basketball and football we've always had strategy. the coaches always had a game plan for us to follow. that was never true in baseball.

[QUOTE]All sports have an element of common sense to them, but doing those things that are so obvious - scoring on a penalty shot/breakaway, hitting free throws, not double faulting, hitting the alleyway, putting two feet inbounds, etc. - can be extremely difficult to do, even for professionals.[/QUOTE]

but that has to do with talent/skill. a coach can't really prepare you for any of that.

There's not that much real-time strategy while playing baseball but there's loads of strategy that goes into it.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15871198]Has more to do with skill than strategy though. I mean there's an element of strategy most it's mostly intuition from knowing the game. Obviously all sports have this but still.[/QUOTE]

... but still what?

How does a suicide squeeze, a hit-and-run, or rotating your starting and bullpen crew (being cognizant of their arm strength, fatigue, right-handed pitchers facing right-handed batters and not left-handed, etc.) not strategic? There's skill involved in those first two things, and yes, intuition is a vital part of life, but are they really any different from the maneuvers you quoted in other sports?

[quote]yeah but in basketball and football we've always had strategy. the coaches always had a game plan for us to follow. that was never true in baseball.[/quote]

Either a testament of poor coaching ("Am I playing today? No? Looks like I'm riding the pine" vs. "I'm starting today, batting third, playing the 6, got it" and then executing) or because you're more passionate about basketball and football than you are of baseball.

EDIT: or, you are only harping on your Little League experience, where winning is de-emphasized in favor of good sportsmanship.

Way to make me look like a shitty debater Jom.

I think that it comes down to baseball having more strategy in the running of your own team instead of a strategy against the opponent.

[QUOTE]always had a game plan for us to follow. that was never true in baseball.[/QUOTE]

That's because they ultimately have no similarities. They're two completely different styles of game play, and obviously aspects that baseball has basketball doesn't. Baseball has spontaneous strategy (depending on base runners, score, inning, outs, and the vulnerability of your opponent).

What you're saying and trying to prove makes you look 12.

I would agree except for the spontaneous strategy part (I don't think 'spontaneous' was the right word choice, I could be wrong though, admittedly). Have you ever tried coaching a bunch of middle schoolers how to break a press? It's the most mind-boggling thing, especially when it happens in a game. They all freak out, turn the ball over, and you have to call time-out and calm them down and be like, "DUDES, we worked on this in practice, how did you forget?!" and then they're all "Ohhhhh, THAT's what we did that for..."

[quote]Way to make me look like a poopty debater Jom.[/quote]

how did I do that

[QUOTE=Deth;15871263]I think that it comes down to baseball having more strategy in the running of your own team instead of a strategy against the opponent.[/QUOTE]

Well it can be both.

For your own team: batting line up etc.
Against opponent: Pitching match-ups etc.

[QUOTE]how did I do that[/QUOTE]
Took my side of the argument and being smarter.

Yeah, but that's just comes with the territory of middle school anything, haha. Middle schoolers seem to grasp the concept of football more than baseball... I wonder what that says!

Still with the sports?

Meh, at least it ain't the usual "sup dudes im drunk/high/dying of aids" convo

There isn't enough talk about sexual conquests in this thread.

I once had sex.

But then I woke up.

[QUOTE]
NBA basketball has to be the worst sport to watch. it's literally the same thing every single game. the only time scoring really matters is in the last few seconds when the score is close, but they ruin that anyways by calling 100 time outs in the last minute. other than the last minute it's just the best team winning, every single time, with no chance for upsets or exciting game-breakers.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about. This was hilariously ignorant. And do you even understand the strategy behind late game fouling and late game time outs?

If youre behind, you foul. You get in the penalty and they shoot. Best case scenario is they make two shots, but no clock is used. Then you call a timeout and move the ball past half court. Run a quick half-court set, use little clock (because you're not pushing it 90 feet) and repeat.

Same thing? Not really. Also, on any given day any team can win; this goes for every sport.

3 or 4 points make an impact. Honestly your attempt at insulting basketball is hilariously flawed.

edit: apparently you deleted your post. smart man.

[QUOTE]There isn't enough talk about sexual conquests in this thread.[/QUOTE]

Metal

[QUOTE=JumpTheF**kUp;15871699]I once had sex.

But then I woke up.[/QUOTE]

You people don't so much have sex as you do move around a lot and makes lots of noise.

that sucks

i drank with a really nice boy tonight

did he punch you in the mouth or was the evening not that hot.

mappy isn't bisexual but he knows how to have a good time

clearly
[QUOTE=Iluvatar;15871776]did he punch you in the mouth or was the evening not that hot.[/QUOTE]
mad cockpunches

it's supposed to be -12 in the morning **** that **** guvna.

**** **** **** ******s spics

I know mastodon are queer as folk

but Sleeping Giant is a really cool song.

Mastodon's awesome, I don't care what anyone says.

[QUOTE=Iluvatar;15871834]I know mastodon are queer as folk

but Sleeping Giant is a really cool song.[/QUOTE]

I like Mastodon. So f[SIZE="2"]u[/SIZE]ck you.

I beerbonged an entire 40 tonight.

I'm pretty drank.

The love is so strong in this thread.

Leviathan was cool but blood mountain can suck my dick. Except like 3 songs.

Remission's their best one.

I like Remission too.

all i really dislike by them is blood mountain

yea blood mountain is gay and boring ****ing ****

Whatever, they did a good EP and two good full-lengths. I still enjoy that much.

"The Wolf is Loose" "Sleeping Giant" and "Pendulous Skin" are all pretty cool though.

The Wolf is Loose is my favourite song by Mastodon.