Without wanting to speak for Burt or Nick (Dfelon) I'd guess you probably couldn't do that. You might be allowed one or two, but when you have guys like myself and A_Perfect_Sonnet, who have been part of the main forum for nearly 2 years now, and have probably amassed about 500-600 critiques between us, things would be getting ridiculous.

No, we want to keep the critting going, so please continue to post at least a crit per every song. We do have much more respect for those who do extra critiques though, since they are usually regs or vets.

Sweet changes. Critiquing is a bit tedious, but it helps you develop an eye for problems in your own writing.

For me it only becomes tedious when the writing is so poor you begin to feel like a broken record!

Good stuff with the changes Subtle :) Though I think the main problem with most of the new guys/gals that don't crit well, is that they don't really know HOW to critique a lyric/poem.

May I volunteer to write a guide on critiquing?


Thanks Jason, I just found a piece that I'd been wanting to sort out, but totally forgot about. Just posted it if anyone is interested :)

Timmy P

I enjoy critiquing, but only when I enjoy the piece I'm writing about. It just gets annoying when there's nothing there worth critiquing.

Yeah, I'll have a quick look, although I may hold out 'til tomorrow if I do crit it.

Also, if you do want to do a guide to critiquing, there are a few lurking in the murky depths of the S&L forum that were done way back when APS, Morrissey and Zep2k3 were about. They might make a good starting point.

EDIT: Doublepost :upset:

Oooh, thanks :)

Same here. There are only so many ways to say "your ideas are cliche' and un-engaging. Please find a more original idea way to present them." before I begin to feel like I'm reading the same piece over and over again.

Oh and thanks to whoever mentioned me as new talent on the forums. Much appreciated. :)

Ha, don't forget Tojes and his TITS. :D

My bad, [URL="http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406029"]TITTIES[/URL]

haha, I missed that one - I assume it's a humourous acronym, and not that Tojes has suddenly grown a pair of manboobs...

Irony is a Dead Scene is such a freakin' good EP.

yeh good changes, and some better writers would be good because having to crit songs that are really bad jsut so you can get yours crited can get tedious, espscially when there nothing decent around at the time you post that hasnt already had 5 crits

So would it be a faux pas to post a song without first doing a crit? I'll (hopefully) be done mine soon, and whole-heartedly plan to do crits, but was wondering if I had to do it before I posted the song, or if I could do it after, as long as it was within a reasonably short amount of time after.

[quote=pixiesfanyo]Irony is a Dead Scene is such a freakin' good EP.[/quote]

Yes. Indeed it is. Chinga!

There is a general trend though, the people who you want to have a crit from (because they are helpful/relevant) do generally have the better writing. It's not always the case, there are a few exceptions but as a general concensus.


Even more good news, not only am I actually getting some worthwhile writing going, my girlfriend is also coming back from her holiday three days early :)

Timmy P

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]Yes. Indeed it is. Chinga![/QUOTE]

Too bad it's only got 4 songs and that Dillinger didn't kidnap Patton for good.

50+ crits from Magnus? Sheesh, that's an effort and a half. Only about a quarter of my total posts are critiques I'd say. But I suppose that's becuase I don't generally post that many pieces on the main S&L boards, I'm an LC freak :)

I dig the new rules too.

Once I start acutally writing again.

I'll start to post that **** and critique.

[QUOTE=Crack-Rock-Steady]So would it be a faux pas to post a song without first doing a crit? I'll (hopefully) be done mine soon, and whole-heartedly plan to do crits, but was wondering if I had to do it before I posted the song, or if I could do it after, as long as it was within a reasonably short amount of time after.[/QUOTE]
The general idea is to post the song, do crits, post next song, etc.

Ok, well I did a crit, and I just posted my own. Be as mean as you like.

[quote=Bert's New S&L Rules]Please do not post "crit please", "crit for crit" or anything like that because this is now an enforced policy. Users who owe crits should try to crit songs with the lowest amount of crits.[/quote]
The new rules are pretty good... What I don't quite get is the ommitance of the Crit for Crit thingo... So we aren't allowed to post a link to our own work when we do a critique??? I understand it's to encourage critiques of everyones work instead of just a back forth of critiques between set cliques or groups but surely if you post say, 5 critiques for each one of your own songs then surely you deserve the favour returned by at least some??! Maybe I'm totally mis-interpreting..?! :confused:




[quote=RunAmokRampant]Too bad it's only got 4 songs and that Dillinger didn't kidnap Patton for good.[/quote]
Yeah, and I wouldn't even call Come To Daddy a real song... its a cool cover and fits well but isn't very "Dillinger-ish" if you get what I mean?! The new singer sucks and so does his lyrics. (OMG this is such an out-dated conversation... :p)

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]The new rules are pretty good... What I don't quite get is the ommitance of the Crit for Crit thingo... So we aren't allowed to post a link to our own work when we do a critique??? I understand it's to encourage critiques of everyones work instead of just a back forth of critiques between set cliques or groups but surely if you post say, 5 critiques for each one of your own songs then surely you deserve the favour returned by at least some??! Maybe I'm totally mis-interpreting..?! :confused:[/QUOTE]
No, crit-for-crit doesn't solve anything and I want it gone. You can crit someone back if you want but I don't want anyone asking for crits on their piece or saying that a song is crit-for-crit. Like you said, it just goes back and forth and it's annoying; it leads to people just critting people who crit them which doesn't encourage new people.

People who crit a lot can crit people who crit them if they want to, but I don't want any asking or any of that.

Playing devil's advocate here (because I quite like the idea of the new system), surely this could lead to a situation where a writer can do 5-6 critiques on various people's work, and then not get any back, as everyone's critiqued the same pieces for their 1-2 crits required to post a song - therefore potentially resulting in some users getting masses of critiques but only doing one crit themselves, whereas another could do 5-6 critiques but not get a thing.

Eh, I'm sleepy.

[quote=Jason101]Playing devil's advocate here (because I quite like the idea of the new system), surely this could lead to a situation where a writer can do 5-6 critiques on various people's work, and then not get any back, as everyone's critiqued the same pieces for their 1-2 crits required to post a song - therefore potentially resulting in some users getting masses of critiques but only doing one crit themselves, whereas another could do 5-6 critiques but not get a thing.[/quote]
That was my main concern too.

[quote=Bert]No, crit-for-crit doesn't solve anything and I want it gone. You can crit someone back if you want but I don't want anyone asking for crits on their piece or saying that a song is crit-for-crit. Like you said, it just goes back and forth and it's annoying; it leads to people just critting people who crit them which doesn't encourage new people.

People who crit a lot can crit people who crit them if they want to, but I don't want any asking or any of that.[/quote]

This may sound repetative... So we are not even allowed to post a link with our critique?? OR some viewer discretion required?? (ie. if your not getting much crits and putting out heaps then maybe post a link at the bottom of one of your own crits, but don't demand a crit back just because you critiqued their piece) OR don't you want [i]any of that[/i]?

Don't get me wrong, I like the new system but I'll be interested to see how it works and how heavy-handed you are going to police it.

[QUOTE=Jason101]Playing devil's advocate here (because I quite like the idea of the new system), surely this could lead to a situation where a writer can do 5-6 critiques on various people's work, and then not get any back, as everyone's critiqued the same pieces for their 1-2 crits required to post a song - therefore potentially resulting in some users getting masses of critiques but only doing one crit themselves, whereas another could do 5-6 critiques but not get a thing.

Eh, I'm sleepy.[/QUOTE]I don't think that will be much of a problem. Most of the regulars are used to the 'crit for crit' idea anyway, and I think they would try to return the favor as a way of saying thank you.

Although, that could be a bunch of idealistic crap. :)

I've a suggestion, that, has nothing to do with the previous conversation. Take off the swear filter. Anyone old enough to write and post here, is old enough to hear the word f[U]u[/U]ck once in a while, plus, there isn't much point to it, as it is easily overridden, as I just demonstrated. And, as writers, I think we should be able to express our ideas with any words that we choose. Plus, what about freedom of speech, I mean, it seems stupid that we're writers who don't condone the use of all words, even "bad ones." Thought I'd throw that out there.

Amongst regular writers I doubt the new rule will really change anything anyway.

Are there any rules against posting a song in the in-depth critique thread if there's already a thread for it? Also, are there any special requirements before anything can go into the in-depth thread?

You have to in-depth critique the song above. That's about it.

Ok, thanks.

[QUOTE=jurialmunkey]
This may sound repetative... So we are not even allowed to post a link with our critique?? OR some viewer discretion required?? (ie. if your not getting much crits and putting out heaps then maybe post a link at the bottom of one of your own crits, but don't demand a crit back just because you critiqued their piece) OR don't you want [i]any of that[/i]?

Don't get me wrong, I like the new system but I'll be interested to see how it works and how heavy-handed you are going to police it.[/QUOTE]
No, no linking. It's annoying to those who follow the rules, which say that people who owe crits should crit pieces with the lowest amount of crits. What that means is that anyone who owes their crit should crit the song with zero crits already in order to ensure everyone gets crits on their songs.

The ultimate goal is to not have any songs on the first and second pages (and ultimately any pages) without crits. This should also answer Jason's question.

EDIT: By the way, IM me if you want the album already.