[QUOTE=Nostalgia;18204437]Let's look at Varg.[/QUOTE]

what about him?

hes badass

i don't agree with his views on race but they're generally more intelligent than I HATE NIGRAS RAAAAWRR

Yeah but when you break down his ideology it's usually I HATE NIGGEERRSS

and his ideology is so confusing even he can't remember what it is half of the time.

balbalblanationalism LORD OF THE RINGS? balbalbabla

hahaa

Huh? He's written entire books on what he believes.

doesnt make it not fuckin retarded

hitler wrote an entire book on what he believed too what's yer point

Well yeah a lot of what he believes is not rational. Not arguing that. I just don't get why think Varg is ragged on too much.

this is kind of irrelevant to this discussion, but i don't see why varg's view on what is rational and isn't (i.e what is niggger behavior and what is not) when through his lifespan he has:

recorded music with disgusting people
murdered someone
admitted to being an arsonist
stole a stationwagon and filled it with explosives

[quote=Nostalgia;18205949]this is kind of irrelevant to this discussion, but i don't see why varg's view on what is rational and isn't (i.e what is niggger behavior and what is not) when through his lifespan he has:

recorded music with disgusting people
murdered someone
is an admitted arsonist
stole a stationwagon and filled it with explosives[/quote]
Yet you still listen to it.


Whether it was premeditated or in self defense is still up for debate.

Listen to what? I'm not talking about his music, I'm talking about him.

I just don't see why what he did in his past is important. Yeah he has done bad things but I'm not going to worry about it when I'm listening to tracks that helped shape black metal.

As you shouldn't, I don't think anyone is making that case though.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;18205978]I just don't see why what he did in his past is important. Yeah he has done bad things but I'm not going to worry about it when I'm listening to tracks that helped shape black metal.[/QUOTE]

Again, I'm not arguing that. If you're listening to music for ideological purposes, you're not doing it right. I'm talking about his validity in saying what is acceptable behavior and what isn't. He's an armchair philosopher.

[quote=Nostalgia;18205986]Again, I'm not arguing that. If you're listening to music for ideological purposes, you're not doing it right. I'm talking about his validity in saying what is acceptable behavior and what isn't. He's an armchair philosopher.[/quote]
I haven't read anything on what he does or doesn't agree with in terms of behavior.

No one's saying anything about his music, I like his music too. He's still a total retard though.

[quote=austin]He's an armchair philosopher.[/quote]
I think the term 'philosopher' is definitely pushing it.

[QUOTE=rasputin;18205994]No one's saying anything about his music, I like his music too. He's still a total retard though.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call him a "total retard", the fact that he's such a creative genius definitely pushes him out of that category

he's a headcase, but he's not stupid

he's insane and has completely contradictory and ridiculous views - making good black metal doesn't change that, and personally i don't think it has any relevance to it either. i don't think he's anywhere near as intelligent as you may be thinking, but he doesn't need to be to make good black metal

prison made him crazy

his prison cell is better looking than my bedroom, so i doubt that. hell, the whole prison system in norway is really nice.

he's already undergone tests in prison and they've deemed him mentally healthy

i remember when he said that he wouldnt play the guitar because of black people or something like that lol

[QUOTE=Aakon_Keetreh;18206178]prison made him crazy[/QUOTE]

no he was crazy before prison. if anything, prison made him realise it's foolish to express yourself through murder and arson

[QUOTE=rasputin;18206191]no he was crazy before prison. if anything, prison made him realise it's foolish to express yourself through murder and arson[/QUOTE]

yeah good point

I don't think Varg was at any point mentally ill in any way. He was young and hung out with people who hyped each other up to new extremes. The things he did and the things he believes are more a product of the people he associated and the people that have affected him in his life than with any twitch in his head.

Vikernes did not burn any churches (there were no evidence of it at least). he killed a dude who was planning to kill him. they were big crybabies who wanted to prove that they were the biggest and meanest omgxzor satanist in town. it was a stupid feud between two kids. nothing more.

also, after reading a few of his works (both philosophical and historical), I can assure you he isn't stupid. a bit weird and anchored in silly racist views from the stone ages, yes. but not unintelligent.

As far as I know he did burn churches. Euronymous never did, though. None of them were Satanist, btw.

uh okay. you have evidence that no court or person involved with the investigation ever had possession of then.

both of them were teenage omg i r so kvlt satanist kids.

They were never satanists, the media gave them that title. As far as i know varg got in trouble because he talked to a journalist about what happened but wanted to remain anonymous, but of course that didnt happen.

i want dark space iv

[quote=christsimpson]also, after reading a few of his works (both philosophical and historical), I can assure you he isn't stupid. a bit weird and anchored in silly racist views from the stone ages, yes. but not unintelligent.[/quote]

yah i've read his so called 'works' too - you obviously have never read an intelligent article in your life if you think varg is intelligent

there are ppl that think varg is a creative genius

@aakon I never said they were Satanists. they were teenage omg we're lyke zoooh kvlt satan rulz satanists.

@rasputin many of his articles on history as well as his philosophical writings on the universe etc are in an intellectual language and with logical reasoning. some of it is bat shit insane (e.g. the whole thesis about alien robots creating our solar system...), but it's not unintelligent rambling.

at one point that wouldnt have sounded so far-fetched to me lol :/

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oh fenriz

I like how Fenriz isn't trying to be super kvlt and grim all the time. He's like a cool dude who makes cool musics.

I love how he has a Plastikman tattoo, dude knows his electronic music.

just plastic, lame and weak