[QUOTE=(LOKI)]I just wanted to come hear to show off my nice new avatar:D[/QUOTE]

very pretty :thumb:

ok i have some questions. Anyone know about the new album and when it comes out? i heard about 5 months ago it was supposed to come out in early january -_- i was stoked until early january came and i hadn't heard anything new about their new album. i have heard a bit about it on tool forums and such but nothing on dates or eastimated times or themes of it so anyone know?

Check out Toolband.com theres some stuff there. And we all seem to believe it will come out July or spring.

as soon as someone knows for sure, it will be all over the place in here

new album is gunna be some slick stuff.

going back to what Shadius said I completely agree.

I did the same thing after reading that post and Opiate is loaded with hatred and "f*** you all" type of music. Undertow lightens up just a little bit, as demonstrated in Sober, even though Disgustipated annoys me to know end. Aenema is my favorite, Eulogy has got to be one of their best songs. Then we get to Lateralus. The only really known Tool cd. Schism is a little over-rated in my opinion. I do say though it is an extremely good song, a little tough on bass but im also a beginner. Reflection is becoming my favorite song of all time. Its the fact that Maynard can change so dramatically from say Opiate - Hush to something so open minded and outgoing. I think Reflection has to do with Maynard changing his attitude towards life and moving forward from Opiate and Undertow.

Just my thought :D

All I know is that they better play The Grudge, I know I'm probably overrating it, but that song is like sex.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Sonor[/QUOTE]

Sonor, Mapex, Paiste, and a couple of all-electronic kits.

[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]Has anybody in here ever seen Tool live? I heard they own, please share the it wih us.[/QUOTE]

Twice. And APC twice.

Words cant describe it.

[QUOTE=willis2441]what kinda set does the drummer for tool play?[/QUOTE]
[B]Sonor Designer Series(bubinga wood)[/B]
8x14 snare(bronze)
8x8 tom
10x10 tom
16x14 tom
18x16 floor tom
18x24 bass drum(2)

[B]Cymbals:[/B] Paiste
14" Sound Edge Dry crisp hi-hats
6" signature bell over 8" signature bell
10" signature splash
24" 2002 China
18" signature Full crash
#3 cup chime over #1 cup chime
18" signature power crash
12" signature Micro-hats
22" signature Dry Heavy ride
22" signature Thin china
20" signature Power crash

[B]Electronics:[/B]Simmons SDX, Korg, Roland MC-505, Oberheim TVS

[B]Pedals:[/B] Simmons hi-hat
Korg control pedal
Simmons bass drum

[B]Hardware:[/B] Sonor stands, Sonot, Axis, or Pro-mark hi-hat stand, Axis or Pearl bass drum pedals with Sonor or Pearl beaters(loose spring tension,but with long throw)

[B]Heads:[/B] Evans Power Center on snare batter(medium-high tuning, no muffling) G2's on tom batters with G1's underneath(medium tuning with bottom head tuned higher than top) EQ3 bass drum batter and EQ3 Resonant on front(meduim tuning, with EQ Pad touching front and back heads)

[B]Sticks: [/B] Trueline Danny Carey model(wood tip)

I think the changes in Tool's emotion is pretty obvious
Opiate - anger, cynicism. Most obvious in Hush and Jerk-Off.

Undertow - still angry, but slightly more mature. More expressive than just 'fark you'

Ænima - More reflective. Seems to think about the problems - Stinkfist, Jimmy, Push[i]i[/i]t are the most obvious examples where the source of problem is actually discussed. Some slightly more deep tracks - Third Eye and 46 and 2 being the more obivously philosophical tracks.

Lateralus - a very existential type album. The Grudge and Ticks and Leeches have some of their old anger, but The Grudge expresses it in a much more meaningful way, incorporating some deeper themes. Parabol/Parabola, Lateralus and Disposition/Reflection/Triad are all quite deep, dealing with experience, thoughtfulness and reflection in obvious ways. The cynicism is less overbearing, and the music expresses a more philosophical or hopeful outlook than the earlier albums.

Who knows where the new album will lead?

[QUOTE=conciousuniverse]


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Werny,

It's good to hear from you again! I'm glad you are well :) and enjoying Salival.

[/QUOTE]

I am enjoying it! Pu**** is amazing, Aloke is pure genius.

I think the next album will be experimental. On DannyCarey.Org he says they're developing new drums for the next album *gets a tingle down spine* and one toolband.com it tells us that they are working to meet their deadline so much that they worked Valentines Day! It can't be THAT far away!!!

Have HOPE!

IT WILL BE THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME!

That drum development notice has been there for a long time. I think he's probably already encorportated it in the past. But no suprise if he does spring some new sort of technology

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]That drum development notice has been there for a long time. I think he's probably already encorportated it in the past. But no suprise if he does spring some new sort of technology[/QUOTE]
Yes, that has been on the site forever. I would be suprised if he changes his kit very much, but maybe there will be a small change. His drums are amazing enough allready.

I don't know how many people check the Tool website these days to read through Blair Blakes incredible experiments with writing, but, this got posted recently, and it says what the message is in "No Quarter" on Salival. Can you work it out?

[I]22 Feb 05

MESSAGE IN "NO QUARTER" ON TOOL'S SALIVAL
"Dear Blair, I I'll try not to babble or run on, I realize you have a lot of these to read, so here goes. I have discovered a subliminal message in the song No Quarter on the Salival CD/DVD, I have had several friends listen to it, so I know I'm not just hearing things, or wishing I were. However, we all share one thing in common: none of us can discern what it is that Maynard is saying. I was wondering if you would do me a considerable kindness and either a. Tell me what it says, or b. tell me where I can find out and how."

THE REPLY:

Just in case there's somebody living in a cave who doesn't know about this, lots of people have attempted to isolate the so-called subliminal message (whispered by MJK while in the recording studio and not in his well-stocked wine celler) via high tech audio equipment, and some have posted their findings on the internet. Although I've yet to read a single posting that contains the correct answer, there's always a chance that someone has discerned the actual message, and that I've missed his/her posting. However, since I have received hundreds of emails over the years asking about the message, I am happy to address this issue. First of all, my advice to anyone interested or obsessing over this matter is that I wouldn't waste too much time trying to figure it out. That's because the message is NOW totally irrelevant. Secondly, in my reply here, I have given the answer as to what is being said, albeit somewhat cryptically - but it's all right here in these very words. But, like I said, it's now irrelevant, so let's move on, shall we. [/I]

And i thought i over-complicated things...:confused:

They saw that the new album is supposed to come out sometime in April-July so I hope it comes out really soon.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Twice. And APC twice.

Words cant describe it.[/QUOTE]

Ive seen them once in cincinatti ( ohio ). They are very awesome espically the lights. Maynard does these freaky movement things other then that the vibe is awesome.

I don't have the time to read all the page's, so I'm not sure if anyone has metioned this already, but I think that the band is anti religious because of alot of their songs.
For example, in the song eulogy, maynard's lyrics read,

Get off your ****ing cross,
we need the ****ing space
to nail the next fool martyr

(A martyr is someone who dies for what they strongly believe in, for people who don't know) I think this song IS about jesus, he calls jesus a fool so that is one reason why I think tool are anti religious.
There are alot more songs with anti religious. If you have watched the parabola video you would notice that at the end that the weird dude (i dont really understand any of all there videos) gets a third eye, which is a sign as if to say he doesnt need god to help him see the truth. In the song third eye, at the end it states:

''Prying open my thrid eye"

over and over. I do really like their songs, but their lyrics im a bit touchy on...(because i am a christian)
Maynard is very smart I must admit.
All in all, tool is a very good band, but their videos take some getting use to.

I dont think there anti christian but more anti thinking like the rest. They probably see religion (all orginized religion) as a form of control. To keep us from thinking too much for our selves.

Anyone know the band Dead Soul Tribe? They also make some kind of prog metal/rock music.

I doubt tools anti-religious themes. Eulogy is a bit blunt, but besides the...

we need the f**cking space
to nail the next fool martyr!

it is a truthful song, example are the lyrics directly after...

to ascend you must die
you must be crucified
for our sins and our lies
goodbye!

I know this may sound corny, but that is true and what happened. And Third Eye isnt just about being opened to god (the beginning is a bit...different lol) I think it resembles Reflection, being awakened to the outside world and not just living in a bubble. Someone had to "pry open" his eyes to see the truth.

[QUOTE=LunaticCalm]I think it resembles Reflection, being awakened to the outside world and not just living in a bubble. Someone had to "pry open" his eyes to see the truth.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the exact same thing. It's almost a cry of rebellion (it isn't, but almost) at the end of Third Eye. It's like someone has been hiding the truth from him and he needs to pry open his extra eye to see the truth.

I think I see where Maynard is coming from on the religous front. He's not opposed to religion, he's just opposed to those who use it to profit (televangelists, for one). I share the same feelings, these people are just exploiting others to make a buck.

Tool isn't really anti-religious, they just are against people being blind and not thinking. I don't think they have anything directly against Christianity or anything like that. I believe they are just against people following any belief system without first questioning its merits and following blindly.

They're more against the hypocrisies of organized religion. Against those who manipulate and take advantage of (siva chair said it above) people blindly following religion. Maynard is completely against L Ron Hubbard and Tammy Faye, those who take control of those who really believe in the spiritual.
Meh, is Tammy Faye really that bad?

Its the 'pinch of salt' factor you need to remember. its insane the amount of stuff that is merely them just having a private joke

[QUOTE=estel]I think the changes in Tool's emotion is pretty obvious
Opiate - anger, cynicism. Most obvious in Hush and Jerk-Off.

Undertow - still angry, but slightly more mature. More expressive than just 'fark you'

Ænima - More reflective. Seems to think about the problems - Stinkfist, Jimmy, Push[i]i[/i]t are the most obvious examples where the source of problem is actually discussed. Some slightly more deep tracks - Third Eye and 46 and 2 being the more obivously philosophical tracks.

Lateralus - a very existential type album. The Grudge and Ticks and Leeches have some of their old anger, but The Grudge expresses it in a much more meaningful way, incorporating some deeper themes. Parabol/Parabola, Lateralus and Disposition/Reflection/Triad are all quite deep, dealing with experience, thoughtfulness and reflection in obvious ways. The cynicism is less overbearing, and the music expresses a more philosophical or hopeful outlook than the earlier albums.

Who knows where the new album will lead?[/QUOTE]

Rep + (123 and articulated well)

I'm definitely excited. Ænima has my favorite songs but Lateralus is more impressive as an album. Who knows, maybe they can combine the two, for style, in the next album?

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]The first Opeth songs I listened to were The Funeral Portrait and Blackwater Park. I've never been a fan of death metal vocals, but this was definitely the right band to get me accustomed to that sort of sound. It really threw me off, hearing that amazing progressive metal music paired with death-style vocals, but I was slowly but surely growing to apprecaite them. Once you get passed that, and really let it grow on you, you'll love Opeth. I think they are an amazing band, and I've noticed quite a few fellow Tool fans also taking interest in them.[/QUOTE]
hey man, just a reccomendation to further your opeth listening: The Drapery Falls. this is some gooooooooooood stuff, and the vocals are alll up and down the scale. just thought you'd like this one if you liked the funeral portrait.

"Just remember I will always love you, even as I tear your ****ing throat away." :evil:

The Drapery Falls is probably my current favorite song by Opeth. Its great.

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]They're more against the hypocrisies of organized religion. Against those who manipulate and take advantage of (siva chair said it above) people blindly following religion. Maynard is completely against L Ron Hubbard and Tammy Faye, those who take control of those who really believe in the spiritual.
Meh, is Tammy Faye really that bad?[/QUOTE]

thats the best way i've seen it put. the jesus and cross references are just metaphors. people don't seem to understand this. Maynard uses metaphors. stinkfist isn't about fisting it's about become numb to something. the only song i've taken seriously is hush. so you people who take everything seriously from tool, get your head straight read between the lines, but don't read every pixel.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]The Drapery Falls is probably my current favorite song by Opeth. Its great.[/QUOTE]
Mine would have to be Deliverance, such a great song...
But i was going to say something to the anti religion thing, but theres not alot i have to say thats already been said... so yeah.

In the liner notes of Undertow tool thanks Bill Hicks.

Then Aenema came out after Bill Hicks' death. If you actually go through the lyrics of Aenima and Lateralus, most of the ideas have roots with Hicks. Eulogy is said to have been about him, "He was so loud, he sure could yell". I don't remember any stories of Jesus yelling. Go through the song, and compare it to Bill Hicks life and death. It definitely reminds me of him.

Aenima, the song uses the Arizona Bay metophor(Hicks most popular album title). Throughout this song he is repeating the thoughts of Hicks. Third Eye again has origins with Hicks. He commonly mentioned Squeejying(SP) his third eye. He was talking about taking shrooms, and seeing the 'truth' about the world(media, politics, others' views on drugs, and other issues). This makes me thing that Third Eye is more about viewing the world from the outside, and seeing how f.ucked up things really are. Coincidentally, after he 'Prys open his third eye' they see the light with 'Lateralus'.

Lateralus has a lot Hicks influence as well. He would always talk about how life is merely a precursor to the spiritual life. "Life is but a dream" . If you listen to his releases you can hear more quotes about this type of stuff. I don't remember any direct quotes off the top of my head.

Parabola and Lateralus come from the Bill Hicks influence I think. Not to say they're copying, but I think they got a lot of their influence from outside sources. They take these ideas and give them a hint of lyrical mastery, and create really inspirational songs. IMO, Bill Hicks is an inspiration too.. He just wasn't as eloquant. :)

If any of you haven't heard hicks I definitely recommond buying some.. Or DLing it.. You won't be let down if you like good comedy and Tool..

[QUOTE=Werny]I am enjoying it! Pu**** is amazing, Aloke is pure genius.

I think the next album will be experimental. On DannyCarey.Org he says they're developing new drums for the next album *gets a tingle down spine* and one toolband.com it tells us that they are working to meet their deadline so much that they worked Valentines Day! It can't be THAT far away!!!

Have HOPE!

IT WILL BE THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME![/QUOTE]

That whole new drums thing has been there for at least a year, I don't know if he already has them or what. :confused:

I think it's obvious that Tool are influenced by/pay homage to Hicks in some of their songs, but honestly, stuff like Eulogy or Aenima can be interpreted in so many ways it really isn't funny.

To say that such-and-such Tool song is talking EXACTLY about a certain entity is really erroneous, because Tool songs can be applied to many different people or situations.

[QUOTE=The JoZ]To say that such-and-such Tool song is talking EXACTLY about a certain entity is really erroneous, because Tool songs can be applied to many different people or situations.[/QUOTE]
Yeah,it kind-of depends on the person listening to the CD too.It's the listeners interpritation.

Well, I wasn't saying that it is just a rippoff and twist of bill hicks. I was saying it's obvious that Bill Hicks has touched Maynards life in some way, and maybe even shaped his beliefs(a little or a lot, who knows). If you want to find out more about Maynard maybe you needent look further than Bill Hicks.

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]Mine would have to be Deliverance, such a great song...[/QUOTE]

How awsome is the last few minutes? :D so simple yet so... awsome :p

[QUOTE=James Howlett]I dont think there anti christian but more anti thinking like the rest. They probably see religion (all orginized religion) as a form of control. To keep us from thinking too much for our selves.

Anyone know the band Dead Soul Tribe? They also make some kind of prog metal/rock music.[/QUOTE]
Real good band, aren't there only two people in it?

Man hush is great..anyone agree?

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Its the 'pinch of salt' factor you need to remember. its insane the amount of stuff that is merely them just having a private joke[/QUOTE]

yeah everyone takes it way too seriously, i mean its not always about what your thinking of. Iron Maiden's song the number of the beast was about a dream Steve Harris had. Guys dont worry too much about lyrics, they are just words.

I don't think anybody is worried.. It's just interesting to try to get into Maynards mind I guess :)

ok no worries:thumb: