Bah, not many people care here...in the PM thread, at least.

cjborton, I said I don't drink...so I don't know how many it takes to get drunk.

I will say, though, my dad's friend and his wife brought a case of wine (6-7 bottles or so) on vacation with us for a week, and managed to finish that case within the week.

Quite funny to see them drunk...:D

[QUOTE]Lord Malaketh//I'm just crackers about cheese! says:
see you're liking this
Josh says:
oh yes
Josh says:
edguy is feckin awesome
Lord Malaketh//I'm just crackers about cheese! says:
told you so
Josh says:
im gonna buy the album, but its expensive, havnt looked at new and used prices yet.
Lord Malaketh//I'm just crackers about cheese! says:
do that...I only payed about six quid for it
Josh says:
aye wil probs do
Josh says:
/amazon time[/QUOTE]

Have a msn convo between me and sackman/josh after I lent him hellfire club.

Another convert I think :thumb:

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Bah, not many people care here...in the PM thread, at least.

cjborton, I said I don't drink...so I don't know how many it takes to get drunk.

I will say, though, my dad's friend and his wife brought a case of wine (6-7 bottles or so) on vacation with us for a week, and managed to finish that case within the week.

Quite funny to see them drunk...:D[/QUOTE]
Erm, that doesn't seem very much wine to me....not for a week,......

/rings Alcoholics Anonymous...:upset:

Polish alcoholics beat you all :evil:

/back to PM

I ordered Majestic (Gamma Ray's new album) like three weeks ago, and it still hasn't gotten here...damn slow delivery...I should have just ordered it over Amazon.

Thanx for the Therion Magda. :thumb:

Will download it in a while.




Gotta stay in most of the day - waiting for Mr Postman, and a heap of large boxes..

[QUOTE=Hells Bells]Polish alcoholics beat you all :evil:

/back to PM

I ordered Majestic (Gamma Ray's new album) like three weeks ago, and it still hasn't gotten here...damn slow delivery...I should have just ordered it over Amazon.[/QUOTE]

I've heard incredibly good comments about it and the song I listened myself on the radio rules :)

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]Have a msn convo between me and sackman/josh after I lent him hellfire club.

Another convert I think :thumb:[/QUOTE]
You have that and didnt tell me? if i was going to buy it i would beat you with a drumstick

Sonata's website is getting a shop section soon so i should be able to get a t-shirt (hopefully):thumb:

Gotta tell my friend to get the ball rolling on those Sonata tickets...I want to get them by the end of the week, just to be safe.

Been listening to a LOT of them lately...I think they are an extremely underrated band. Both the keyboardist and guitarist could surely pull their own weight as solo artists.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Gotta tell my friend to get the ball rolling on those Sonata tickets...I want to get them by the end of the week, just to be safe.

Been listening to a LOT of them lately...I think they are an extremely underrated band. Both the keyboardist and guitarist could surely pull their own weight as solo artists.[/QUOTE]
Tony certainly could! Tommi (drummer) is no Jukka tho'.

Heh, Sonata Artica are hardly underrated. Everyone talks about them. This thread is 40% Sonata Artica, 40% Blind Guardian, 5% Dungeon (when Tim's online) and 15% other bands. :p

Not that it's a bad thing. :p

[QUOTE=Stoic]I've heard incredibly good comments about it and the song I listened myself on the radio rules :)[/QUOTE]

You have radio stations that play good music! :eek:
The closest thing I get around here is a classic rock station that really hasn't been that great lately.

I'll check tomorrow, hopefully it's gotten there by then.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]5% Dungeon (when Tim's online)[/QUOTE]

5.001% now! :p HAHAHA!

Yeah, I'd constantly whore Iced earth here...but they have their own thread...

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]Yeah, I'd constantly whore Iced earth here...but they have their own thread...[/QUOTE]

Good job you never read my minority opinion ...:lol:

[QUOTE=RumBoy]Good job you never read my minority opinion ...:lol:[/QUOTE]
I did..you've said it before, meh, your opinion.

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]I did..you've said it before, meh, your opinion.[/QUOTE]
That's your problem - always letting others have their opinion and everything - it's just too mature..:upset:

He lets them have their own opinion until you sart saying how Iced Earth rip off Iron Maiden:D

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]He lets them have their own opinion until you sart saying how Iced Earth rip off Iron Maiden:D[/QUOTE]

Obviously they don't, because I [I]like[/I] Iron Maiden :D

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]He lets them have their own opinion until you sart saying how Iced Earth rip off Iron Maiden:D[/QUOTE]
Only one real thing, The cover of The reckoning is basically the trooper's cover with eddie replaced by some other thing and The war in question altered.

Didn't Iced Earth say they were huge fans of Maiden? So it wouldn't be weird if they were influenced by them then.

[QUOTE=Iron Bars]Didn't Iced Earth say they were huge fans of Maiden? So it wouldn't be weird if they were influenced by them then.[/QUOTE]
Of course they are...show me a PM band that isn't in some way maiden influenced...

Titch just says that to wind me up...

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]Of course they are...show me a PM band that isn't in some way maiden influenced...

Titch just says that to wind me up...[/QUOTE]

Show me a PM band that isn't influenced by Judas Priest, you mean. :mad:

Your right about that but not all PM bands show it as obvious as IE do.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Show me a PM band that isn't influenced by Judas Priest, you mean. :mad:[/QUOTE]
Get back to the Mod forum :p

I just got Nightfall in Middle Earth, it is purely amazing. Blind Guardian finally has showed me there is good powermetal without harsh vocals (Iced Earth is only ok to me.)

[QUOTE=IheartSP]I just got Nightfall in Middle Earth, it is purely amazing. Blind Guardian finally has showed me there is good powermetal without harsh vocals (Iced Earth is only ok to me.)[/QUOTE]

Actually, I'm the opposite, as I think that only 1 band is good power metal with harsh vocals.

Would that be Bodom?

The reason I don't like powermetal with clean vocals is actually a few things. First of all any form of major scale in anything I cannot stand. The scale alltogether makes me wanna hit myself, the cloesest I'll get is mixolydian mode (i.e. some Maiden liek Run to the Hills or Can I Play With Madness). Also, powermetal tends to be very repetetive. Every Stratovarius or Dragonforce song is basically the same format. Stratovarius always does a little intro lead, the verse is just whole note powerchords, then theres a major chorus or prechorus, and the intro lead repeats. Dragonforce is very similar, and unlike Stratovarius who I think has amazing sections with neoclassical melodies, and some really good solos, Dragonforce's music just bores me even beyond the major scale parts.

If you count Wintersun and powermetal, which they are certainly influenced by, but they aren't really, they are my favorite powermetal band with some form of clean vocals, although they do more harsh ones. The harsh vocalled powermetal bands (Bodom, Norther, Kalmah, Skyfire, Imperanon, etc) never use major scale and tend to have much more room for melody because they don't have vocal melodies there to get in the way of things.

Have you tried Savatage or Sabaton yet?

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Would that be Bodom?

[/QUOTE]

No, Kalmah.

I seriously find Bodom to be immature and boring.

[quote]The reason I don't like powermetal with clean vocals is actually a few things. First of all any form of major scale in anything I cannot stand. The scale alltogether makes me wanna hit myself, the cloesest I'll get is mixolydian mode (i.e. some Maiden liek Run to the Hills or Can I Play With Madness). Also, powermetal tends to be very repetetive. Every Stratovarius or Dragonforce song is basically the same format. Stratovarius always does a little intro lead, the verse is just whole note powerchords, then theres a major chorus or prechorus, and the intro lead repeats. Dragonforce is very similar, and unlike Stratovarius who I think has amazing sections with neoclassical melodies, and some really good solos, Dragonforce's music just bores me even beyond the major scale parts.[/quote]

That's fine and all, but to me Dragonforce is far more melodic than Bodom, Norther, etc, and the vocals simply enhance this.

[quote]
If you count Wintersun and powermetal, which they are certainly influenced by, but they aren't really, they are my favorite powermetal band with some form of clean vocals, although they do more harsh ones. The harsh vocalled powermetal bands (Bodom, Norther, Kalmah, Skyfire, Imperanon, etc) never use major scale and tend to have much more room for melody because they don't have vocal melodies there to get in the way of things.[/quote]

Again, whilst the dissonance of the minor scales is appealing, it does get old very fast. And whilst you complained about the structural consistency of Dragonforce and Stratovarius songs, you ignored that Bodom and Norther are very much formulaic.

Oh, and Imperanon sounds interesting, what album do you recommend?

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]
Oh, and Imperanon sounds interesting, what album do you recommend?[/QUOTE]
there a total COB rip-off still good though.

Imperanon only has one album, it sounds much more like something a clean vocaled band would write.

Norther I agree does have very similar songs, Bodom although similar in a sense I think are all very original. And I'm not just talking minor scale, I think any mode really. In terms of melody if Dragonforce is more melodic I think your crazy. Bodom has so many more leads and use of keyboard, Dragonforce is all powerchords besides intro riffs and solos.

To Steerpike, I've only heard one song by Savatage, I thought it was pretty cool, what is Sabaton like?

hey IheatrSp where is the Palladium

Wouldn't know, I'm going my first time when I see Bodom.

Sabaton are very Wagner-ian, like Manowar, but with more of the classical influence. Their vocalist is like a Swedish Lemmy, but with more of a belting quality to his voice like Hansi Kursch.

Their lyrics focus almost exclusively on history and war, so the influence of Wagner is particularly fitting.

Never heard of Wanger in my life, but the subject of the lyrics sound cool, I love history and war. Are the lyrics, vocals, or music cheesy? Also, is it chock full of melodies like Bodom?

EDIT: I just read some of their lyrics, very cool, not all corned out like Dragonforce.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Sabaton are very Wagner-ian, like Manowar, but with more of the classical influence. Their vocalist is like a Swedish Lemmy, but with more of a belting quality to his voice like Hansi Kursch.

Their lyrics focus almost exclusively on history and war, so the influence of Wagner is particularly fitting.[/QUOTE]
sounds cool i love demons & wizards.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Never heard of Wanger in my life, but the subject of the lyrics sound cool, I love history and war. Are the lyrics, vocals, or music cheesy? Also, is it chock full of melodies like Bodom?

EDIT: I just read some of their lyrics, very cool, not all corned out like Dragonforce.[/QUOTE]

Not Wanger, Wagner. Richard Wagner, the composer of Ride of the Valkyries.

It's not as intensely melodic as CoB, but instead relies on using driving rhythms with a healthy dose of reverb and backing vocals to create a sweeping, epic sound. Panzer Battallion though has some really nice lead guitar work to it in harmonic minor.

When people just start to talk about scales and melody and stuff, I just turn off.

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]When people just start to talk about scales and melody and stuff, I just turn off.[/QUOTE]
that sad this is im starting to under stand this stuff :lol:

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]When people just start to talk about scales and melody and stuff, I just turn off.[/QUOTE]

Okay, let me put it into plain man-talk for you:

Gravelly-voiced Swedish guy and loud guitars play music about blowing up Nazis.