So today I bought Lateralus at Borders. I can't beleive I didn't buy it before. It's basically my first listening of any Tool material. Expect to see me posting in here some now. :thumb: *Jams out to Reflection*

Pick up aenema its insane.

May I suggest you also get Aenima, if it's not going to rape your wallet too much :p Those two albums are amazing.

EDIT: beaten

The reason I actually ended up getting Lateralus is because I had a coupon for 25% off one item, and both Lateralus and Aenima were 19 bucks, but I decided to get Lateralus. I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't have the coupon. 19 dollars for a CD is perposterous.

[QUOTE=ANewHope]If you read the article you start to put the puzzle together.

[url]http://www.subversiveelement.com/Planet_X.html[/url]


Also this is just something weird I found....it mentions toolshed.net

[url]http://www.googlism.com/when_is/p/planet_x/[/url]


When you really think about it, even the stuff the dude from Nasa says on Lateralus could add up.[/QUOTE]

Has anybody else read this stuff? I found it didn't really establish any connection with Tool. If anyone found any relevance in these articles, would they care to explain. And apparently, planet x would have passed by Earth in 2003, possibly killing all of us... :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]The reason I actually ended up getting Lateralus is because I had a coupon for 25% off one item, and both Lateralus and Aenima were 19 bucks, but I decided to get Lateralus. I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't have the coupon. 19 dollars for a CD is perposterous.[/QUOTE]


:lol: CD prices are getting out of hand, I hardly ever buy CDs from a store anymore, I've switched to Amazon and if not there then Best Buy.

[QUOTE=G_Mac07]Has anybody else read this stuff? I found it didn't really establish any connection with Tool. If anyone found any relevance in these articles, would they care to explain. And apparently, planet x would have passed by Earth in 2003, possibly killing all of us... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

i find it pretty much irrelevant to tool....could some one please explain how it all ties togeather. thanks :thumb:

Why dont you just buy it used? You could probably get one in great condition for $5 at ebay. I dont really understand buying cds retail (unless its a brand new release you cant get anywhere else).
sorry, just my pointless rant...

I was on another forum and someone said their was a clip to "L.K." on a site. I asked for the link so if he isnt bull****, then I'll post it here.

[QUOTE=G_Mac07]Has anybody else read this stuff? I found it didn't really establish any connection with Tool. If anyone found any relevance in these articles, would they care to explain. And apparently, planet x would have passed by Earth in 2003, possibly killing all of us... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]



It ties into Lateralus and the "secret order". Just listen to the lyrics and read I think you might understand if you have a open mind. If not well then you dont see it.

For the first time in my life I understand something, but it is too complicated to explain to others.

[QUOTE=ANewHope]It ties into Lateralus and the "secret order". Just listen to the lyrics and read I think you might understand if you have a open mind. If not well then you dont see it.[/QUOTE]

After reading for a bit, I assumed that must have been what you were getting at. Unfortunately for me, I still didn't see any strong connection with Lateralus.

I first heard Tool when someone lent me Aenima. I despised it, and Undertow, for ages, I forget why, they just didn't excite me at all. And then I read some of their lyrics, and suddenly they blew my mind every time I heard them.

I'm going to theorise on one song shortly, and then a more comprehensive one.

1. [B]Prison Sex[/B] Film Clip

Basically, I think the video clip is a perfect interpretation, to me this song is about over-protection. The big lanky chap takes care of the little guy and loves him to death so much that he wants to be like him. So he takes off that eye-piece thingy for himself.
Here's a big theory: I think it's a continuous cycle. The little dude did the same to the caterpillar fella (he used to be a skinny prick), reducing him to a little worm. That's why he's kept in a drawer. So he was obsessed so became completely like him, down to the face. Then another robotic prick comes along and takes over HIS life and becomes like him.
This is supported by lines like "your breathing so I guess you're still alive."

An even more radical theory: The whole thing is an experiment. Hence the Prison Sex, and the doll-like nature of the little guys and the robotic nature of the lanky guys. Some guy has created this guys and observing a cycle, a food chain if you will.

That's called being over-analytical, people.

2. [B]4 Degrees[/B]

This song probably hasn't been discussed, since it's not very popular, but it's my third fave Tool tune so I'm going to go into the lyrics.

[B]Get up
Get up now
Get up
Get up now
Get up
Get up now
Get up
Get up now[/B]

Along with Maynard's voice, this part is very forced, this is something positive for the subject, but he really really wants it to happen.

[B]Free yourself
From yourself
Free yourself
From yourself[/B]

Already we establish that whatever is going to happen, the subject is very reluctant about it.

[B]Locked up inside you
Like the calm beneath castles
A cavern of treasures
No one has been to[/B]

Maynard really loves the person, hence the "calm beneath the castles" and "cavern of treasures". I get the feeling that he's telling the subject that he/she has a great gift locked up inside it, a talent.

[B]Let's go digging
Let's go digging
Bring it out and
Take it back in[/B]

Like most lyrics in the song, this passage has a sexual allure to it, like he's trying to seduce someone. That was my first impression of the song, but I know Maynard would never write about that, so I figured it means something more, that's why I'm doing this.
So, the "let's go digging" tells us that this is a talent that Maynard can help him/her with. The "bring it out and take it back in" suggests that this is something that if he/she does this, they will be able to benefit and learn from it, or enjoy it greatly. Painting, perhaps?

[B]You won't do what you'd like to do
Lay back and let me show you another way[/B]

WWOOOH! Sorry, I'm listening to the piano-like start of Lateralus.
Now, this affirms the subject's reluctancy. The second line suggests that Maynard has seen potential, and wants the subject to listen to his suggestions to improve upon it.

[B]I'll kill what you want me to
Take what's left and eat it
Take all or nothing
Life's just too short to push it away[/B]

This is your chance to do something, this is a golden opportunity, get out of your hole and spread your wings. Maynard can't STAND to see him/her down in the dumps, hence the bribing. The "take what's left and eat it" means he'll do ANYTHING.

[B]Knock me down
I'll just come back running
Knock you down
It won't be long now[/B]

Again, Maynard is desperate. The "knock you down, it won't be long now" suggests that this may involve pain, there's risks.

[B]All the way in
All the way in
All the way in
All the way in
Way in[/B]

We can't be half-assed about this, we need to give it all we've got.

[B]Take it all
Take it all higher
Four degrees now
Four degrees warmer[/B]

The subject is beginning to warm up to the idea, the situation is getting better.

[B]Give in now
Give in now
Let me in[/B]

That's goooood, let's continue, we're too far to quit.

[B]You'll like this
This brings us higher
You'll like this

It brings us closer than
Dying and
Cancer and
Crying[/B]

Good choice, it'll be worth all of the pain. The person has subdued/surrendered.

---

Now, when I go back over all of this, I realise that this song is obviously about not one person, but the human race. Don't be afraid to let loose and unleash your talents upon the world, you've got nothing to lose. This will make you comfortable and make you feel like a significant portion of Earth's population (it brings us closer then dying and cancer and crying).

Wooh. Hopefully I've done something for someone out there (and I hope someone could be bothered reading that!).

i love 4 degrees. i am currently learning it on guitar, but that solo is tricky, jones doesn't usually use four finger solos, so i'm having problems with that, but i love the intro and chorus.

[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]Really, as I said above, I find this one-upmanship about who's the most proper form of tool fan a bit pointless...
i know i'm a cranky old bitch, but i'm so sick of reading these debates...

SFK, is [I]holy blood & the holy grail[/I] good? I'll have to check it out...
I just started one of the other books on the tool reading list, [I]the wasp factory[/I] - its fiction by Iain Banks, quite good...only near the start but so far i'd recommend it to all toolheads..

SFK, or anyone for that matter, have you read the [I]Da Vinci Code[/I]?
In yesty's paper there was an article that the publishers of holy blood are suing the publishers of Da Vinci code because of similar ideas.
I haven't read either so I can't comment, but be interested to hear your opinions...[/QUOTE]

Sorry to bump an old post, has anyone read both of these books?

I finally persuaded my mum to buy the da vinci code, I ate it up within 2 days and was always 2 steps ahead of the plot. Is the da vinci code mainly fiction, and the holy grail book delivers the 'truth' as it were. There is areference to holy grail in the da vinci code, i found the da vinci code fascinating, but would rather focus in on the rennes le chateau mystery that has gripped danny.

If i buy holy grail will i be reading more-or-less whats in the da vinci code? without the plot line. Or is there another book i should maybe read? Opinions? I have read what is on Carey's site and would like to read up on this further :) thanks.

What affect or guitar did adam use for the begining of 4 degrees?

[QUOTE=Remedy]What affect or guitar did adam use for the begining of 4 degrees?[/QUOTE]

We came to the conclusion some time ago that it was played on a sitar, or some other obscure stringed instrument. It was possibly played by MJK as well, as he plays some interesting instruments

hey is it just me...but on the salival version of 3rd eye..when it says in..out..in..out..in..out im pretty sure it just says in..in..in..in

has anyone else noticed this?

Merkaba is so trippy.

I would be interested in reading the books clearvision just mentioned. Can anyone tell me where to start? Also, I while back on Toolband I saw in the books section, something titled along the lines of "Everything in this book is a lie, but it's exactly how things are". I'm not sure if this is the exact title of it, but I tried to order it in my town and the bookshop said they couldn't find it. I know SonorKen has read it, I've seen him mention it before. Can any give me some details on the Book? like the Author/Publisher etc. Thanks :)

The author of the book is a man named Bob Frissel G_Mac, but I haven't really had any more luck finding the book around where I live. The bookstores I've been to have told me that they don't have it in stock, and that it's also out of publication.

The only place where I can seem to find any copies are amazon.com, where there are a bunch of used copies for sale. Haven't decided yet whether or not I'll go for that, though.

I just read last night on toolshed.down.net that some Blair guy went to a recording session, and all he found out was that the first song is called LK (subject to change) and it's obviously pretty fast, because the guy thought it was 15 minutes long and Adam said it was more like 18.

Wooh major Tool binge.

Amazon.com is the place to get the metaphysics book...The book is only on the american version of the site though :(

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]We came to the conclusion some time ago that it was played on a sitar, or some other obscure stringed instrument. It was possibly played by MJK as well, as he plays some interesting instruments[/QUOTE]
Sitar sounds right.

[QUOTE=Remedy]What affect or guitar did adam use for the begining of 4 degrees?[/QUOTE]

i cant afford what he was using, but i just pick right against the bridge. sounds ok.
what i do need is a whammy bar, i really want to get the intro to prison sex down.

how is the new cd calling?

[QUOTE=daven]how is the new cd calling?[/QUOTE]

What you said makes no sense, but I can try.

Either:
1) Except for the band, no one knows what the CD is called.

2) They're in studio now, so it's obviously going very well, at least now we know for sure it's coming out this year.

Cant wait for the new cd. It will be awesome. So who here has listened to Tool on acid. I listened to Salival and Lateralus the other night whilst tripping and it was one of the greatest musical experiences of my life. I recommend it if you are into that stuff ;)

Does anyone else think that maybe H. and Forty six & 2 could be linked? coz they're linked on the album more or less through "useful idiot". any thoughts?

Edit:
Also, I think Die Eir Von Satan could be giving the message that not everything appears as it is, since it sounds like some kind of cult following but it's actually just a recipe... anyone agree?