I don't see what's so good about smoking though...

I mean, do the perks really outweigh the consequences?

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I don't see what's so good about smoking though...

I mean, do the perks really outweigh the consequences?[/QUOTE]

Perks: Look cool, cool movie stars like Clint Eastwood and Steve McQueen do it.


Consequences: Endless, to name a few:

Bad breath, chesty cough, increased chance of cancer, sucking money from non-smokers through the N.H.S.

So no, it's not too good.

[QUOTE=NJMetalMeister]It is also the european way. In my year in germany, with my barrage of stoner friends i had out there, not one of them aside from the americans owned a pipe or bowl or anything, always just a pack of skins and a pack of smokes to get high with.

And you europeans, you have to realise that americans NEVER smoke joints with tobacco, always just pure weed. Really makes a lot of europeans gasp and then complain about how much of a waste it is to use just pure weed, and after spending a year out there, i agree with them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't know anyone who owns a pipe or a bowl.

[QUOTE]Drugs are pretty terrible.

I had some Mushrooms the other day in my chinese though.

Hmmm sweet 'n' sour.[/QUOTE]

What's wrong with drugs? :eek:

Food is good though, when I'm high I either eat, listen to music or have sex. Or combine them. :thumb:


[QUOTE]I don't see what's so good about smoking though...

I mean, do the perks really outweigh the consequences?[/QUOTE]

Not really, but the consequences aren't immediately noticable, so you don't think about it.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I don't see what's so good about smoking though...

I mean, do the perks really outweigh the consequences?[/QUOTE]

you mean cigarettes right?

One thing i can tell you from the barrage of joints i smoked there, and "cigaweeds" as my friends call them here, and the tobacco out there in europe has a lot less chemicals in it than the tobacco in the states. So smoking in the EU area can be quite enjoyable because it does taste pretty good, assuming you like the taste of tobacco at all though.

As for flavor there really arent many more perks about smoking except as something to do when youre just waiting around.

The way i see it is, while i dont smoke personally (anymore that is, i was a smoker at one time many many years ago), if someone wants to smoke, let em, if you dont want to, then dont.

This banning of smoking in bars trend that is going around the world is silly really, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Hah, most people around me see me as a drunk or a junkie, and they're both right. :p

What made you think that?[/QUOTE]

No idea, most have had you confused with someone else in a previous conversation or discussion. Clearly you are the opposite.

I dunno, 10 years from now you might not feel the same way...

Meh, to each his own. :)

I wanted to try shrooms for about 5 minutes once...

[QUOTE=NJMetalMeister]you mean cigarettes right?

One thing i can tell you from the barrage of joints i smoked there, and "cigaweeds" as my friends call them here, and the tobacco out there in europe has a lot less chemicals in it than the tobacco in the states. So smoking in the EU area can be quite enjoyable because it does taste pretty good, assuming you like the taste of tobacco at all though.

As for flavor there really arent many more perks about smoking except as something to do when youre just waiting around.

The way i see it is, while i dont smoke personally (anymore that is, i was a smoker at one time many many years ago), if someone wants to smoke, let em, if you dont want to, then dont.

This banning of smoking in bars trend that is going around the world is silly really, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]


I enjoy smoking cigarettes when I'm in a pub, because it adds to the atmosphere and it goes well with a pint of beer. It also tastes great after a good meal. And yeah, when you're waiting for your bus or tram, or just when you're bored, gives you something to do.

[QUOTE=NJMetalMeister]This banning of smoking in bars trend that is going around the world is silly really, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Well, there is second hand smoke. Also being someone who dislikes smoking, being near someone who is smoking and having to smell and breathe in the smoke in an annoyance.

But it is a bar, so that's a differnet story.

[QUOTE=RiceMonster]Well, there is second hand smoke. Also being someone who dislikes smoking, being near someone who is smoking and having to smell and breathe in the smoke in an annoyance.[/QUOTE]

But that's like saying you dislike people who drink alcohol and being near them in a pub is an annoyance. It's just part of the whole pub experience. The Damp, the damp.

EDIT: Yep, nevermind then. :p


If it's not in a bar, you can just avoid people who smoke.

/has been marijuana free since August 20th

np: Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah

[QUOTE=Superpeer] And yeah, when you're waiting for your bus or tram, or just when you're bored, gives you something to do.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, why do you think so many army guys smoke?

Reason is, aside from wartime, being in the army is a lot of standing around, and during wartime, i could see how after a day of bullets flying at you, you might want a smoke. haha

[quote]Well, there is second hand smoke. Also being someone who dislikes smoking, being near someone who is smoking and having to smell and breathe in the smoke in an annoyance.[/quote]

Second hand smoke does damage, but only in massive massive quantities really. If you are in a bar or pub one night a week and its smoky in there, its not going to do a heck of a lot of damage to your lungs.

You may dislike smoking, but seriously, in bars? Thats part of the whole bar atmosphere

Edit: You stealth edited to say bars were okay! i still leave my text as is because i have no reason not to haha.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]/has been marijuana free since August 20th

np: Jeff Buckley - Hallelujah[/QUOTE]

Congratulations, over 20 days.

I haven't smoked dank in over a month.

[QUOTE=NJ]The way i see it is, while i dont smoke personally (anymore that is, i was a smoker at one time many many years ago), if someone wants to smoke, let em, if you dont want to, then dont.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's pretty much MO too...

My last joint was yesterday. :upset:

NP: Tiger Army - Cupid's Victim

[QUOTE=NJ]The way i see it is, while i dont smoke personally (anymore that is, i was a smoker at one time many many years ago), if someone wants to smoke, let em, if you dont want to, then dont.

This banning of smoking in bars trend that is going around the world is silly really, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I would say the same about any type of "carcinogenic" activity(for lack of a better term) as long as it would not effect me personally, but thing is that smoking in a bar [I]would[/I] effect a non-smoker if they were in that bar. I mean, you can't try and tell me that second hand smoke is harmless. :p

Basically, I think there should be a law on cigarrettes that is like the law with sex- Don't do it publicly. Go ahead and do it all you want, just not in the public eye. This may seem like an extremely conservative approach, but I honestly think it would be a good thing. I couldn't care less if you smoke, just keep your smelly as[B][I][/I][/B]s out of my way.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Congratulations, over 20 days.

I haven't smoked dank in over a month.[/QUOTE]

yeah, I don't have anything against people who smoke pot, because just about all my friends do it, I just don't like it all that much anymore.

np: Pink Floyd - Mother

[QUOTE=Illmatic]yeah, I don't have anything against people who smoke pot, because just about all my friends do it, I just don't like it all that much anymore.
[/QUOTE]

That's what has sort of happened to me. I don't mind smoking, but I like drinking much better.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]
Basically, I think there should be a law on cigarrettes that is like the law with sex- Don't do it publicly. Go ahead and do it all you want, just not in the public eye. This may seem like an extremely conservative approach, but I honestly think it would be a good thing. I couldn't care less if you smoke, just keep your smelly as[B][I][/I][/B]s out of my way.[/QUOTE]


Oh c'mon, just because you don't do either of it, doesn't mean you have to ban it. :p



Seriously, I hate the smell of an over-perfumed person, doesn't mean they can only use it in their own house, I just avoid them. And yes, I know perfume is pretty harmless, but you're complaining about the smell.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]I would say the same about any type of "carcinogenic" activity(for lack of a better term) as long as it would not effect me personally, but thing is that smoking in a bar [I]would[/I] effect a non-smoker if they were in that bar. I mean, you can't try and tell me that second hand smoke is harmless. :p

Basically, I think there should be a law on cigarrettes that is like the law with sex- Don't do it publicly. Go ahead and do it all you want, just not in the public eye. This may seem like an extremely conservative approach, but I honestly think it would be a good thing. I couldn't care less if you smoke, just keep your smelly as[B][I][/I][/B]s out of my way.[/QUOTE]

I never said it wasnt harmful, it is, but its not as harmful as many would like you to think. First of all a lot of it has been through the filter and absorbed into the lungs by the person smoking it, making it much weaker. There are arguments that the trail of smoke coming off the cigarette is unfiltered and bad for you, but anyone who has ever messed with different thicknesses of rolling papers for joints will tell you the majority of that smoke is from the thick paper on the cigarettes, not from whats inside.

And you mention the word public, well bars are private owned businesses (most of the time, some bigger chains are public owned because they have stock), and therefore if a bar owner wants to allow smokers inside, he should be more than able to, the government shouldnt tell him what he can and cant do with the place he owns.

I just look at it from a monatary perspective...

Getting drunk on a night out= £20+

Getting wasted, ALONG WITH YOUR FRIENDS =£10

[QUOTE=Lunch]That's what has sort of happened to me. I don't mind smoking, but I like drinking much better.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I do drink, but only on occasion, and I rarely ever get drunk. So basically I am at a total reversal of where I was my freshman year of college when it comes to chemical use.

np: Everclear - Father of Mine

[QUOTE]Seriously, I hate the smell of an over-perfumed person, doesn't mean they can only use it in their own house, I just avoid them. And yes, I know perfume is pretty harmless, but you're complaining about the smell.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but have you ever been so consumed by the smell of perfume that it is absorbed into your clothes and hair? It happens almost instantly with cigarette smoke, so I'd say it's a bit different. :p

[QUOTE]And you mention the word public, well bars are private owned businesses (most of the time, some bigger chains are public owned because they have stock), and therefore if a bar owner wants to allow smokers inside, he should be more than able to, the government shouldnt tell him what he can and cant do with the place he owns.[/QUOTE]

This would probably vary from city to city, but you do have a point here.

Also, there are places, like Cigar bars, where I personally wouldn't ban it, mainly because the sole purpose of the place is to smoke.

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]I just look at it from a monatary perspective...

Getting drunk on a night out= £20+

Getting wasted, ALONG WITH YOUR FRIENDS =£10[/QUOTE]

Here's my economic stance:

A 30-pack of sh[SIZE=2]itty[/SIZE] American beer: $15-20.

And that works for a few people.

You can't beat getting you and some friends high for under £10 though
:)

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Yes, but have you ever been so consumed by the smell of perfume that it is absorbed into your clothes and hair? It happens almost instantly with cigarette smoke, so I'd say it's a bit different. :p



This would probably vary from city to city, but you do have a point here.

Also, there are places, like Cigar bars, where I personally wouldn't ban it, mainly because the sole purpose of the place is to smoke.[/QUOTE]

It would happen if I stuck around, but I run from over-perfumed people. And it doesn't happen instantly to my knowledge, only when you're in a bar.

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]You can't beat getting you and some friends high for under £10 though
:)[/QUOTE]

True, but now I just like getting drunk more so I'll spend the extra few dollars.

[QUOTE=NJMetalMeister]
And you mention the word public, well bars are private owned businesses (most of the time, some bigger chains are public owned because they have stock), and therefore if a bar owner wants to allow smokers inside, he should be more than able to, the government shouldnt tell him what he can and cant do with the place he owns.[/QUOTE]

It maybe his right, but still the smokers are inconsiderate of non-smokers.

Indoor concerts at smaller venues are full of inconsiderate pricks smoking away, which gets quite annoying. Especially when the venue does not allow smoking inside as well...

They need to get a grip of their habits and think about other people around them sometimes.


[QUOTE=lunch]Here's my economic stance:

A 30-pack of ****ty American beer: $15-20.

And that works for a few people.[/QUOTE]

A 5th of decent hard alcohol is around 20 dollars as well, and tastes much better then dealing with sh[SIZE=2]itty[/SIZE] beer all night.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]It would happen if I stuck around, but I run from over-perfumed people. And it doesn't happen instantly to my knowledge,[B] only when you're in a bar.[/B][/QUOTE]

We were talking about smoking being aloud in bars...:confused:

Meh, it doesn't really matter. It probably won't happen, so let's talk about animals or something.

/dog person

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]A 5th of decent hard alcohol is around 20 dollars as well, and tastes much better then dealing with sh[SIZE=2]itty[/SIZE] beer all night.[/QUOTE]

I've come to enjoy just hanging out and drinking, playing drinking games, and the more relaxed drunk that beer gives you. Liquor is still good though.

Sounds enjoyable. :( D[SIZE=2]amn this terrible American drinking age requirement[/SIZE]. :mad:

Lunch is seventeen. Just go around your town's mini marts, and within twenty minutes of asking for liquor, you'll find a place that'll sell it to you. :cool:

I'm American if you were referring to that, and only 17.

As Jake seems to know...

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]It maybe his right, but still the smokers are inconsiderate of non-smokers.

Indoor concerts at smaller venues are full of inconsiderate pricks smoking away, which gets quite annoying. Especially when the venue does not allow smoking inside as well...

They need to get a grip of their habits and think about other people around them sometimes.[/QUOTE]

I don't know what it's like in Oregon, but at the Avalon in Boston (indoor club), security is all over anyone who lights up.

/me also doesn't see the point in getting hammered :-\

[QUOTE=Jake]Lunch is seventeen. Just go around your town's mini marts, and within twenty minutes of asking for liquor, you'll find a place that'll sell it to you.[/QUOTE]

And if you're cool like me, you know someone who is 21 :D

I haven't smoked since February :eek:

I don't see why everyone hates people who smoke in bars. Chances are if your going to a bar, your going to drink. Drinking is harmful to, last time i checked, and i'd much prefer a smoker next to me than some drunken lout starting a fight with me.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]And if you're cool like me, you know someone who is 21 :D[/QUOTE]

I know friends' brothers, older friends, cousins, friends with fake IDs, etc.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]We were talking about smoking being aloud in bars...:confused:

Meh, it doesn't really matter. It probably won't happen, so let's talk about animals or something.

/dog person[/QUOTE]

Oh were we, well no one is forcing you to go into a bar.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I know friends' brothers, older friends, cousins, friends with fake IDs, etc.[/QUOTE]

in high school it was all about the fake IDs, but in college a bunch of my friends are 21 and older, so there's no real need for fake IDs.

And i'm 6"2 so getting served beer is no problem.

The joys of not living in America.

Spat Out Path : I enjoy drinking, i don't drink to get smashed.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Am I the only person who drinks because I like beer, spirits... rather than just to get drunk?[/QUOTE]

I hardly ever get drunk...it's just not that fun :-\

I do like the taste of (most) liquor

np: The Beatles - Norweigan Wood (This Bird Has Flown)