Ambre Zuerkl Vuordhrevarhtre is great, yeah. Twilight of the Black Holocaust is probably my favorite song, but March to the Black Holocaust has more songs that I like.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;15506746]I've lost what little respect I had for you.[/QUOTE]

Provide proof against my opinion. Besides their influence on many bands that came after...

[QUOTE=Angmar;15506762]But d00d they are like old school and raw satanic warfare!

Best Belketre is their side of the split with Vlad Tepes, but all are good.[/QUOTE]

and vlad's side of the split isn't bad either.
[QUOTE=NemesisDivina;15506772]Provide proof against my opinion. Besides their influence on many bands that came after...[/QUOTE]
there can be no proof. awful band.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;15506766]Ambre Zuerkl Vuordhrevarhtre is great, yeah. Twilight of the Black Holocaust is probably my favorite song, but March to the Black Holocaust has more songs that I like.[/QUOTE]

[I]March To The Black Holocaust[/I] has a couple of my favorite Belketre songs, especially "Last Sigh Of God." That song is just complete chaos.

i love the lyrics for If We Had...

Yeah. I'm usually not a fan of that thing of production, but they make it work, especially on that song. The intro rules.

I remember Mark telling me him or one of his friends spray painted "Last Sigh of God" on a church wall, but ran out of paint halfway through and it just said "Last Sigh of" :lol:

[QUOTE=NemesisDivina;15506772]Provide proof against my opinion. Besides their influence on many bands that came after...[/QUOTE]

I like VON, that overrules your opinion on the matter.

VON would be so much better if their music had one lick of atmosphere and wasn't boring with bad vocals.

:-/

[QUOTE=Totenkrieg;15506796]I like VON, that overrules your opinion on the matter.[/QUOTE]

Provide proof, don't just state that your opinion is fact.

Don't start an argument if you say anything that is remotely argumentative, I'm not going to respond to you.

[QUOTE=Angmar;15506804]VON would be so much better if their music had one lick of atmosphere and wasn't boring with bad vocals.

:-/[/QUOTE]

There are way worse vocals and his vocals aren't even bad to being with.

i dont care if its not tr00 black metal but could you suggest something along the lines of WITTR because that seems to be the only 'bm' that i like

All you said is "VON is a bad band", where is your proof? It seems you were stating your opinion as fact.

[QUOTE=NemesisDivina;15506809]Provide proof, don't just state that your opinion is fact.[/QUOTE]
there is no way to really "prove" one band is better than another, it all comes down to the perception of the individual.

[QUOTE=rattlehead42147;15506846]there is no way to really "prove" one band is better than another, it all comes down to the perception of the individual.[/QUOTE]

VON > Watain

I just proved it.

[QUOTE=Totenkrieg;15506828]All you said is "VON is a bad band", where is your proof? It seems you were stating your opinion as fact.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, good point... trade-off: I provide proof, you provide proof, deal?

1. Very repetitive.
2. Simple strong structures.
3. Medicore musicianship.
4. Awful vocals.
5. Very one dimensional. (blast beats, trem-picked riffs)
6. Laughable lyrics (RAWRAWR SATAN)

Just about anything is better than Watain, but honestly we have been over VON and it should be pretty damn obvious why someone would dislike them, I am just curious to see why someone does, just for the opposing side of things.

[QUOTE=NemesisDivina;15506868]Yeah, good point... trade-off: I provide proof, you provide proof, deal?

1. Very repetitive.
2. Simple strong structures.
3. Medicore musicianship.
4. Awful vocals.
5. Very one dimensional. (blast beats, trem-picked riffs)
6. Laughable lyrics (RAWRAWR SATAN)[/QUOTE]

You're a ****ing idiot.

1. so
2. so
3. so
4. wrong
5. so
6. they work

you realize you just described a large portion of the black metal out there.

von is good for the entrancing atmosphere, the songs are all simple and catchy, decent degree of variation between the songs. their formula works perfectly, it is something I can listen to over and over. great sounding production, acidic and evil guitar tone, driving and pounding drums and commanding vocals. the music never gets boring as it just keeps going and going, riff after riff. this makes VON great.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;15506852]VON > Watain

I just proved it.[/QUOTE]

That's my opinion on VON vs. Watain as well, but Watain is so bad that it's hard not to have that opinion.

[QUOTE=NemesisDivina;15506882]That's my opinion on VON vs. Watain as well, but Watain is so bad that it's hard not to have that opinion.[/QUOTE]

Fine.

VON > WIITR and Drudkh put together

both bands blow but if i had to choose i would have to go Watain over VON.

[QUOTE=rattlehead42147;15506899]both bands blow but if i had to choose i would have to go Watain over VON.[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha, you're the dumbest mother ****er ever then.

[QUOTE=Totenkrieg;15506881]1. so
2. so
3. so
4. wrong
5. so
6. they work

you realize you just described a large portion of the black metal out there.[/QUOTE]

I said provide proof why they're a good band, not why I'm wrong. Yeah a lot of black metal is repetitive and a lot of black metal have simple song structures. Let's use Darkthrone as an example: their riffs and vocals are actually interesting and good (that's objective, but whatever) which makes their simple song structures and repetitiveness work. VON on the other hand write boring riffs which makes all of their songs just boring as hell.

EDIT:

[QUOTE=Totenkrieg;15506881]von is good for the entrancing atmosphere, the songs are all simple and catchy, decent degree of variation between the songs. their formula works perfectly, it is something I can listen to over and over. great sounding production, acidic and evil guitar tone, driving and pounding drums and commanding vocals. the music never gets boring as it just keeps going and going, riff after riff. this makes VON great.[/QUOTE]

thank you, because of this i'll give them another chance with this in mind

[QUOTE=Totenkrieg;15506881]1. so
2. so
3. so
4. wrong
5. so
6. they work

you realize you just described a large portion of the black metal out there.[/QUOTE]

My problem with them is unlike black metal that is those things they have:

1. No atmosphere in their music, it's just heavy.
2. Their riffs are uninteresting as where some good black metal bands can repeat them because their riffs are good, see Transylvanian Hunger.
3. Music is just boring, nothing but heavy and since it lacks any atmosphere or good riffs it becomes droning and tiresome hence where the samey structure comes into play to kill the music.
4. Vocals are boring monotonous growls that sound more like belching than real harsh vocals.

I hope that provides enough of my opinion for you, now it's your turn.

[QUOTE=RetiredAt21;15506902]Hahahaha, you're the dumbest mother ****er ever then.[/QUOTE]
well in the end i would listen to neither, so that post is false.
[QUOTE=NemesisDivina;15506905]I said provide proof why they're a good band, not why I'm wrong. Yeah a lot of black metal is repetitive and a lot of black metal have simple song structures. Let's use Darkthrone as an example: their riffs and vocals are actually interesting and good (that's objective, but whatever) which makes their simple song structures and repetitiveness work. VON on the other hand write boring riffs which makes all of their songs just boring as hell.[/QUOTE]
in a nutshell.

Retired when will you ever actually state why you like something instead of just saying "no they rule your an idiot" or "that band sucks you dumbass" honestly for someone who is suppose to be a non-troll you sure do behave like someone who just takes others opinions and uses them instead of forming his own.

OK Toten proved his point now your turn Retired and don't just say "I agree with toten".

once again very true. and i'm just the guy that says "true" or "agree" after every post :)

[QUOTE=Angmar;15506928]Retired when will you ever actually state why you like something instead of just saying "no they rule your an idiot" or "that band sucks you dumbass" honestly for someone who is suppose to be a non-troll you sure do behave like someone who just takes others opinions and uses them instead of forming his own.[/QUOTE]

Please don't start arguments, stevo. This is just a discussion about VON with conflicting opinions. No personal attacks, don't argue.

but stevo has a point. Retired usually never offers a reason as to why he dislikes a band other than "they suck".

[QUOTE=Angmar;15506928]Retired when will you ever actually state why you like something instead of just saying "no they rule your an idiot" or "that band sucks you dumbass" honestly for someone who is suppose to be a non-troll you sure do behave like someone who just takes others opinions and uses them instead of forming his own.

OK Toten proved his point now your turn Retired and don't just say "I agree with toten".[/QUOTE]

Before I read your statement, I was actually just gonna say "I agree with Toten", mainly because he perfectly hit the nail on the head describing VON.