[QUOTE=Kage]Thank you for this breaking news, but in the future, just read the ****ing thread. It's on the page right before this.[/QUOTE]

Take it easy, dude.

I really didn't have time to read, seeing as I had to log off after that post.

Cover was excellent.

What's up with this 'key' bullsh!t? (post on toolband)

[QUOTE=Esoteric_Creator]:shrugs:

It's just I don't take the bands persona too seriously..

Through Tool's music I have learned many things, and from those things came an open flood gate. Yet, I'm not going to say that Tool is a zenith in my learning, but rather another step..

I don't think along the lines that "Tool can do no wrong", but the moment you "put the p u s s y on a pedestal" (in a way) you end up loathing the thought of something like Tool as having any relevance out of the natural need to want to rebel..

I think in the end *that* is a true fanboy. The one who sits in the corner yelling at the top of his lungs that Tool is not his boss because he (in the end) has taken them way too seriously..

This isn't targeted at anyone, but it is something I have noticed. It has become a fashion trend to "act" like Tool has no meaning for many people, or that they "don't take Tool seriously". Though, their main statment proves otherwise. Yet what they don't bother to think is that Tool has always given "food for thought" since the beginning. Would they not give "food" if they didn't want you to eat and digest..?

lol Maybe I *am* a fanboy, but I find peace in this..

:chug:[/QUOTE]

I adore Tool. Not always actively, because I'm really into quite a few other bands which are generally really different. However, even if the music isn't at the top of my list if someone wanted to talk Tool i'm sure i'd just open up and find it extremely awesome that someone else likes Tool.

I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy, I don't try and get everyone else into Tool unless they show interest. I can point out Tool's flaws as I see them, etc. I don't TRUST them, which is a good thing, as I see it. It keeps me on my toes. That said, Tool are easily one of my top 5 favourite bands ever, and likely always will be.

A fanboy, as I see it, would only praise Tool, because they can do no wrong, and constantly say how much other bands suck because Tool is the best thing ever. OR, just think everything Tool does has a higher meaning, and take them really seriously.

I mean, to be honest, I find it extremely odd that you'd start posting about the music the album contains when you havn't heard any of it, and start talking about deeper meaning and themes when you only have the "tracklist".

… and that the key is right there before your very eyes.


we MUST find The KEEY

lol.

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****! Too bad my dad/brother have both just left for work. (The ones with cash)

[QUOTE=JamJar]****! Too bad my dad/brother have both just left for work. (The ones with cash)[/QUOTE]

=(

Just get em later ;)

Is it 18+ or not... I MUST know!

[QUOTE=JamJar]Is it 18+ or not... I MUST know![/QUOTE]

NO.

That is godly! I am going to see Tool live! *Dances*

I have exams around that time! You bastards! I'll have to settle for download. OH MAN. GUTTED.

My brother has an exam on the day of the gig but not the day after and if he didn't go, I would have no one to go with. So I'm pretty much alright.

sorry to butt in guys, but does anyone know if there is a testament thread?

What exactly is the key? This is gonna' drive me crazy...

[QUOTE=Shadius]I mean, to be honest, I find it extremely odd that you'd start posting about the music the album contains when you havn't heard any of it, and start talking about deeper meaning and themes when you only have the "tracklist".[/QUOTE]

lol Yeah, it does seem a bit odd, but it was something that jump up and sort of bit me..

Since the first day I heard Tool I noticed that there were references to metaphysical subjects. Once finding this I looked deeper into the subject (not the lyrics) and learned more. I was originally a majick practitioner until I actually decided to dig deeper, in a sense..

So, now I see it as a sort of game whenever it comes to understanding were the music is coming from. Every note and lyric has a story behind it, or else the music wouldn't have been made to begin with. And I'm one of those blokes who moisten myself over a deep history, knowledge, and epics. I'm an artist, writer, and musician...it's in my blood.. :thumb:

But here's what prompt me to share my theory. Every board I go to, every word that is uttered by some Tool fans, I find are completely ignorant. (again, not targeting anyone) You have the ones who where yelling, "10,000 Days! Why the f u c k do they want to be like Disturbed!?", or "F u c k! These tracklistings are gay!", and "Why is Tool doing this to us!? I hate those arrogant b a s t a r d s!" And I thought to myself, "Who the f u c k do these people think they are..?" People are so content at just looking on the surface it sort of disgusts me. I feel this is the reason why we (humans) are not evolving the way we should, because we're too lazy (or prideful) to look deeper for answers that we (humans) wine over all the time..

So! I posted what I thought. Hoping to stimulate a sense of thought, and an urge to look deeper into the mundane. I'm on the same path as the rest of the world, but I'm allowed to be on my soapbox every once in awhile..! :smoke:

Damn, I'm rambling.. :cool:

Stimulation. I think that's the whole point of music, and what Tool has been trying to do..

/just bought tix

/dances

[QUOTE=Esoteric_Creator]lol Yeah, it does seem a bit odd, but it was something that jump up and sort of bit me..

Since the first day I heard Tool I noticed that there were references to metaphysical subjects. Once finding this I looked deeper into the subject (not the lyrics) and learned more. I was originally a majick practitioner until I actually decided to dig deeper, in a sense..

So, now I see it as a sort of game whenever it comes to understanding were the music is coming from. Every note and lyric has a story behind it, or else the music wouldn't have been made to begin with. And I'm one of those blokes who moisten myself over a deep history, knowledge, and epics. I'm an artist, writer, and musician...it's in my blood.. :thumb:

But here's what prompt me to share my theory. Every board I go to, every word that is uttered by some Tool fans, I find are completely ignorant. (again, not targeting anyone) You have the ones who where yelling, "10,000 Days! Why the f u c k do they want to be like Disturbed!?", or "F u c k! These tracklistings are gay!", and "Why is Tool doing this to us!? I hate those arrogant b a s t a r d s!" And I thought to myself, "Who the f u c k do these people think they are..?" People are so content at just looking on the surface it sort of disgusts me. I feel this is the reason why we (humans) are not evolving the way we should, because we're too lazy (or prideful) to look deeper for answers that we (humans) wine over all the time..

So! I posted what I thought. Hoping to stimulate a sense of thought, and an urge to look deeper into the mundane. I'm on the same path as the rest of the world, but I'm allowed to be on my soapbox every once in awhile..! :smoke:

Damn, I'm rambling.. :cool:

Stimulation. I think that's the whole point of music, and what Tool has been trying to do..[/QUOTE]
No offense, but your location really [i]is[/i] a soapbox. Mind getting the hell off of it for just long enough to realize that you can't really look beyond the surface of something THAT ONLY [I]IS[/I] A SURFACE (Such as, yes...a tracklisting--the very SURFACE of what an album is). For Christ's sake, man, superficiality is one thing, but grabbing at straws that aren't even there is another.

So stop your preaching, especially when those of us who are obviously less philosophically brilliant than yourself are just trying to listen to music for music. You're the worst kind of Tool fan, much worse than those that you described in your post, because you're the kind that make us look like pretentious fu[size=2]cks[/size] fresh out of Psychology 101 and who have read one article about metaphysics at Joe Bob's Geocities website.

^ See like, 5 posts up.

[QUOTE=Kage]No offense, but your location really [i]is[/i] a soapbox. Mind getting the hell off of it for just long enough to realize that you can't really look beyond the surface of something THAT ONLY [I]IS[/I] A SURFACE (Such as, yes...a tracklisting--the very SURFACE of what an album is). For Christ's sake, man, superficiality is one thing, but grabbing at straws that aren't even there is another.

So stop your preaching, especially when those of us who are obviously less philosophically brilliant than yourself are just trying to listen to music for music. You're the worst kind of Tool fan, much worse than those that you described in your post, because you're the kind that make us look like pretentious fu[size=2]cks[/size] fresh out of Psychology 101 and who have read one article about metaphysics at Joe Bob's Geocities website.[/QUOTE]

Wow, that's alot to say from someone asking not to take offense..
Ah, and I live in Houston, Tx. as well, go figure..
But, as far as making you feel like a "pretentious f u c k s" that is your own doing. Nothing in what I posted is made to make anyone feel "inferior" to me, or anyone else for that matter. I *am* in college, yet I don't major in anything near psychology. As far as metaphysics go it has been a focal point of my studies for awhile...ignorance doesn't count for relevancy..:thumb:

So, tracklists are what they are...tracklists. Thanks for stating the obvious. But that's the kind of thinking that keeps the poor, poor, and the uneducated, hateful. The idea that everything is okay in *your* world as long as no one else comes and questions it for me. In other words, you're running in place. But to each his own. Like I said, I only wanted to stimulate..

And as far as the "grabbing at straws" comment. Answer me this: Why would Tool constantly put out food for thought if they never intended *you* to do something with it..?:smash:

I don't want to start an arguement, simply because it will come out to be a "who's been here longer" type deal, and I *will* lose. Or it will become a screaming contest to were other people will be bothered. Either way, you will win because like many others you are in the fad of saying, "Whatever man, music is music, and I don't need a nazi trying to change my view of it. Tool isn't that important anyways, so stop being a follower. I'm going to go listen to Porcupine Tree now.." So, go ahead and say it..

I was only trying to stimulate..

:chug:

[QUOTE=Esoteric_Creator]I was originally a majick practitioner until I actually decided to dig deeper, in a sense..

So, now I see it as a sort of game whenever it comes to understanding were the music is coming from. Every note and lyric has a story behind it, or else the music wouldn't have been made to begin with. And I'm one of those blokes who moisten myself over a deep history, knowledge, and epics. I'm an artist, writer, and musician...it's in my blood.. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

But every note and lyric isn't necesserally there for some deep interesting reason. Some notes are there because they sound good, others are there simply because they're in key and might not even sound that amazing or unique. The lyrics... certainly, Maynard has some great metaphors, and references some really interesting (sometimes deep) stuff, but not every lyric is a masterpiece. Lateralus particulary has some great positive messages in the music, great, fantastic.

You have to admit, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, right?

And the whole *everything* having a deeper/magical meaning thing is false, you've bought into Tool's psuedo-magical image, which they play on. Remember the article on Danny's drums and demons? They're pissing about with the fans.

As I say, the music has some magical/deep references, and it can be fun to find them, but it seems like you're taking pretty far...

Do you think there was some deeper meaning to those promo pictures of the band by the pool f[i]u[/i]cking about with a flame thrower and BBQ? How about the fake track names before Lateralus? How about Mayard saying he'd found jesus, or any of the other April fools jokes that have gone on? Tool are a bunch of jokers, they're playing you, while retaining some interesting deep lyrics.

[QUOTE=Shadius]But every note and lyric isn't necesserally there for some deep interesting reason. Some notes are there because they sound good, others are there simply because they're in key and might not even sound that amazing or unique. The lyrics... certainly, Maynard has some great metaphors, and references some really interesting (sometimes deep) stuff, but not every lyric is a masterpiece. Lateralus particulary has some great positive messages in the music, great, fantastic.

You have to admit, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, right?[/QUOTE]

I see where you're are getting at, and I completely understand..

Whenever I stated that every note and lyric has a beginning there are two ways you could take this. 1.) Being very literal (almost like the fundamentalists saying that the world was created in 7 days), or 2.) that for the most part there *is* a story behind the music..
Sure, not everything they made has a meaning behind it (i.e. Hooker with a Penis, or Hush) these songs can be taken very literally. Yet, you have songs like Lateralus, Swamp Song, The Grudge, 46+2 and Schism which can have gigantic meanings (and are indeed masterpieces)..

I'm not saying, "Dude.. Look at the piece of wood...I think the rings in the wood *mean* something..", but I *am* saying, "Dude, Jesus had alot to say, but is he really the son of God..?", or "The Mayan calendar only goes to Dec. 31, 2012, and talks about the Sacred Tree of Life....what the hell..?", and what's even more down to earth, "Should I really follow tradition, or experience something different..?"

[QUOTE]And the whole *everything* having a deeper/magical meaning thing is false, you've bought into Tool's psuedo-magical image, which they play on. Remember the article on Danny's drums and demons? They're pissing about with the fans.

As I say, the music has some magical/deep references, and it can be fun to find them, but it seems like you're taking pretty far...[/QUOTE]

Actually, many of Tool references of majick is pretty on key. But it's up to the individual as to how they want to take the information. Once maynard said that information is a double edge sword, because a person can use it in a productive manner or use it in a destructive one. I choose to follow the way of metaphysics because I was already on that path, but I leave myself open to the human experience. I don't take it too seriously, but I will point it out if I notice it simply because it interests me..

[QUOTE]Do you think there was some deeper meaning to those promo pictures of the band by the pool f[i]u[/i]cking about with a flame thrower and BBQ? How about the fake track names before Lateralus? How about Mayard saying he'd found jesus, or any of the other April fools jokes that have gone on? Tool are a bunch of jokers, they're playing you, while retaining some interesting deep lyrics.[/QUOTE]

lol Of course not. You have to be blind to take that seriously. Yet, does that mean you have to take *every* at face value because you were burnt one time..? If that were the case you would have never learned to walk as a child..

I admire the way you question rather than insult, though. :chug: Drink one one me..!

[QUOTE=Esoteric_Creator]Wow, that's alot to say from someone asking not to take offense..
Ah, and I live in Houston, Tx. as well, go figure..[/QUOTE]
Sorry if my initial post came out harsher than I intended it to. I don't want to get into an argument either, but I see no reason not to at least continue the debate. My point was that you seem to stand on your soapbox and try and "stimulate" our thoughts, but whether you intend it to or not, it comes across as in a very deameaning manner. It's like, your intentions are good, but something gets lost and translation and it just feels like we have this "holier than though" prick here whose analyzing something that's not even there.

[QUOTE]But, as far as making you feel like a "pretentious f u c k s" that is your own doing. Nothing in what I posted is made to make anyone feel "inferior" to me, or anyone else for that matter. I *am* in college, yet I don't major in anything near psychology. As far as metaphysics go it has been a focal point of my studies for awhile...ignorance doesn't count for relevancy..:thumb:[/QUOTE]
I missed the part when I said that I "feel" like a pretentious fuc[size=2]k[/size] because of you. I said the bad wrap Tool fans get comes from people who overanalyze...and you, my friend, overanalyzed the track list. My comments on Psychology 101 and metaphysics were probably unnecessary, but they weren't actually directed at you, as I didn't mean to jump the gun and make judgements because I don't even know you. But, have you ever hung with some of the Tool fans that [i]are[/i] like that (there are plenty) and just drive you crazy? If not, do so and you'll see what I mean.

[QUOTE]So, tracklists are what they are...tracklists. Thanks for stating the obvious.[/QUOTE]
It seems like it's not obvious to you that a tracklist is a tracklist. Based on your analysis I would have guessed that you thought there was something more to them. Like some hidden message rather than the name of the tune. And you still haven't answered how you can look below the surface of something that is ONLY a surface.

[QUOTE]But that's the kind of thinking that keeps the poor, poor, and the uneducated, hateful. The idea that everything is okay in *your* world as long as no one else comes and questions it for me. In other words, you're running in place. But to each his own. Like I said, I only wanted to stimulate..[/QUOTE]
I really don't understand this comment. You indirectly said in another post that I insulted you. WEll, here you're talking to me, someone you don't know, and pulling things out of the air, saying that "I'm running in place." Pal, these are the kind of comments that aren't going to get you anywhere, especially if you truly do have a genuine interest in stimulating, or helping us. How in the hell do you know that I don't look deeper into things? Because I can't find hidden meaning in a tracklist? Please, leave your pretentious comments at the door.

[QUOTE]And as far as the "grabbing at straws" comment. Answer me this: Why would Tool constantly put out food for thought if they never intended *you* to do something with it..?:smash:[/QUOTE]
DId you ever consider the fact that maybe I listen to music because it moves me, and not because I want to sit here and see what message the band is giving me? While I agree that it can be enriching, and I have thought about many of the themes in Lateralus. Lateralus indirectly got me into several things, similar to the way Dredg's El Cielo inspired me to research lucid dreaming, etc. and also inspired me to write a movie screenplay exploring said concept.

But can instrumental music not be just as enriching as music with lyrics? Looking below the surface of things does not always mean finding a message...it can be something emotional...or finding your own tmeaning out of a piece of music. In order to do that, though you must have the [i]music[/i], and that was my original point. It's like me looking at the title of a new movie and coming up with a long explanation for what it will be about or what it will mean. Yes, that is grabbing at straws.

[QUOTE]I don't want to start an arguement, simply because it will come out to be a "who's been here longer" type deal, and I *will* lose. Or it will become a screaming contest to were other people will be bothered. Either way, you will win because like many others you are in the fad of saying, "Whatever man, music is music, and I don't need a nazi trying to change my view of it. Tool isn't that important anyways, so stop being a follower. I'm going to go listen to Porcupine Tree now.." So, go ahead and say it..[/QUOTE]
I'm not even going to reply to this load of nonsense...

[QUOTE]I was only trying to stimulate..
[/QUOTE]
Believe me, I know that. And I appreciate it, but to me, trying to stimulate people to think about insubstantial things (like a tracklisting, perhaps?) is extremely counter-effective. It's using stimulation on things that don't matter in the slightest and wasting effort. And when you start analyzing insubstantial things, you come off as being very pretentious, and most people will automatically throw up a defensive shield to that. That was my second point.

Anyway, no hard feelings. I came off as a jerk, and I'm sorry for that. Please, if you have anything to say, respond to this post and we'll continue the debate. Too many people seem to think that any form of argument is bad; but why not debate a subject and have a chance to not only test what you think is right, but get you to dig deeper into what you're doing and maybe discover a folly or misstep in your thought process? [i]That[/i] is stimulation.

i just like the way they sound.

[QUOTE=Kage]Sorry if my initial post came out harsher than I intended it to. I don't want to get into an argument either, but I see no reason not to at least continue the debate. My point was that you seem to stand on your soapbox and try and "stimulate" our thoughts, but whether you intend it to or not, it comes across as in a very deameaning manner. It's like, your intentions are good, but something gets lost and translation and it just feels like we have this "holier than though" prick here whose analyzing something that's not even there.


I missed the part when I said that I "feel" like a pretentious fuc[size=2]k[/size] because of you. I said the bad wrap Tool fans get comes from people who overanalyze...and you, my friend, overanalyzed the track list. My comments on Psychology 101 and metaphysics were probably unnecessary, but they weren't actually directed at you, as I didn't mean to jump the gun and make judgements because I don't even know you. But, have you ever hung with some of the Tool fans that [i]are[/i] like that (there are plenty) and just drive you crazy? If not, do so and you'll see what I mean.


It seems like it's not obvious to you that a tracklist is a tracklist. Based on your analysis I would have guessed that you thought there was something more to them. Like some hidden message rather than the name of the tune. And you still haven't answered how you can look below the surface of something that is ONLY a surface.


I really don't understand this comment. You indirectly said in another post that I insulted you. WEll, here you're talking to me, someone you don't know, and pulling things out of the air, saying that "I'm running in place." Pal, these are the kind of comments that aren't going to get you anywhere, especially if you truly do have a genuine interest in stimulating, or helping us. How in the hell do you know that I don't look deeper into things? Because I can't find hidden meaning in a tracklist? Please, leave your pretentious comments at the door.


DId you ever consider the fact that maybe I listen to music because it moves me, and not because I want to sit here and see what message the band is giving me? While I agree that it can be enriching, and I have thought about many of the themes in Lateralus. Lateralus indirectly got me into several things, similar to the way Dredg's El Cielo inspired me to research lucid dreaming, etc. and also inspired me to write a movie screenplay exploring said concept.

But can instrumental music not be just as enriching as music with lyrics? Looking below the surface of things does not always mean finding a message...it can be something emotional...or finding your own tmeaning out of a piece of music. In order to do that, though you must have the [i]music[/i], and that was my original point. It's like me looking at the title of a new movie and coming up with a long explanation for what it will be about or what it will mean. Yes, that is grabbing at straws.


I'm not even going to reply to this load of nonsense...


Believe me, I know that. And I appreciate it, but to me, trying to stimulate people to think about insubstantial things (like a tracklisting, perhaps?) is extremely counter-effective. It's using stimulation on things that don't matter in the slightest and wasting effort. And when you start analyzing insubstantial things, you come off as being very pretentious, and most people will automatically throw up a defensive shield to that. That was my second point.

Anyway, no hard feelings. I came off as a jerk, and I'm sorry for that. Please, if you have anything to say, respond to this post and we'll continue the debate. Too many people seem to think that any form of argument is bad; but why not debate a subject and have a chance to not only test what you think is right, but get you to dig deeper into what you're doing and maybe discover a folly or misstep in your thought process? [i]That[/i] is stimulation.[/QUOTE]

I understand where you're coming from really, and I appreciate that you try to see my side as well. I just seems to me that you're taking one point and stretching it to find a conclusion..

Yes, I did take an initial tracklist and made a theory of what the album was going to be about. Yet, in my original post I stated that I came to my conclusions through past/present interviews with the band, and others theories on the track titles themselves. It isn't like taking a random bands tracklisting and making up a meaning for the titles, but rather it's a compulation of ideas both from the band and their fans..

Again, I have read nothing but slander for a band that tries to get others to think for a minute. So, taking that principle I ran with a theory that could be completely wrong, but there is no wrong in thinking and digging. And again, I was simply sharing what had jumped at me simply because it interests me..

lol I've never hung out with any Tool fans that were *too* annoying (other than lurking around the ToolNavy boards) simply because I'm always up for debate, and new learning experiences.
I'm entertained to hear that you had learning experiences with both Tool and Dredge. So, let entertain the thought that you wanted to share an idea with a community about what type of lucid dreams Dredge was talking about, or simply a dream you had. Someone comes up to you and says that you have no idea what your talking about, and that you take the band and their subjects too seriously...wouldn't that make you feel hopeless, not because of the comment, but because of the close-mindedness of the comment..?

Ah! And calling something nonesense is not an arguement. Not to be an *** or anything, but that's a vague counter-arguement and leaves emotion as the debate (which in turn leaves nothing in truth left but a bias opinion).. :thumb:

Now, you keep throwing this word "pretentious" as if I'm sitting here saying, "Ah! You dumb f u c k s, I found this out and you didn't" while turning my nose to you. In no means did I mean this..
Though, I find this wrong on your part. The moment you open your mouth to show displeasure in anothers personal thought, you created a wall for you and those who heard your message. And this is natural human nature I suppose. One opinion is stated, the other opposition is heard next, and the popular *emotion* is follwed rather than rationally thought through. And the reason for this? Because many people have run into the annoying Tool fans where there is a "holier than thou" attitude, and the moment a finger is pointed, people will relate rather true or not (think of the fickle minded masses of Rome)..

If I came off as "pretentious" I didn't mean to, but rather wanted to share my thoughts in a civil fashion and maybe stimulate some thoughts..

Now, a few questions: When have Tool's songs/tracklists/lyrics *not* have a meaning behind them as a whole..? Is trying to understand where a word, or phrase (or even a tracklisting in this case) came from a bad thing..? It's education and knowledge, and something that cannot harm this civilization..

In the end, I wanted to share a theory, stimulate minds (maybe to look up the subject), and get feed back without the usual "Die Tool fanboy!"..

Debate away! I find the exchange of ideas to be both entertaining, and insightful..:smash:

To be honest, Creator, I completely agree with Kage. I enjoy almost all of your posts, EC; they're nearly always constructive and provide conversation topics. However, as soon as you got up on the soapbox you started coming across as a pretentious dick. And you NEED to hang out with ignorant Tool fanboys, because they are the reason why so many people HATE Tool fans. And honestly, that's the way you're coming across now, as a fanboy who overanalyzes everything.

I'm beginning to rethink the meaning of Stinkfist. It could have been a pre-emptive strike against those who dig too deep or something.

Or maybe I'm digging too deep. Oshi'

1st post in a week or so. yay

Yeah wtf man?!

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Stinkfist...
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[quote]
Or maybe I'm digging too deep. Oshi'
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Was this an intentional pun? :p

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All standing tickets gone :(

Least i've got seating tickets I guess. Little annoying though