[QUOTE=Double Bass Jim]Well most of the people don't know the possibilty you can have with a drum, would buddy rich tell you that "thudy thud thud thudarooni" is a good sound? Of course not, the drums are an instrument that can have MANY voices... if you allow yourself to speak them.

If not then have fun thuddin![/QUOTE]
thats exactly it. and the thud is one of those voices, and its the drummers choice whether thats the voice he wants too have. buddy rich is his own drummer, he chose the heads he wanted to use to voice his drums. we respect, and even use his choice as a reference, but that doesnt make his choice universal.

Look at steve gadd the pinstripe master! Even he is using thinner heads nowadays.

Portnoys another famous name I can think of too, he no longer uses thuddys and switched to clear emps!

Woah Styler vs Jim o_O

Eh.....Boring day.Im eating cup ramen.Yum.

that doesnt make them better, they changed there voice. that happens over time, i bet there setups have changed too, as well as there playing, i bet theyve even changed there personalities a good bit. that doesnt mean one is right or wrong.

also just because there famous doesnt mean there right or wrong. there not better than anyone because there famous, there opinion isnt better than anyone elses.

[QUOTE=styler]thats exactly it. and the thud is one of those voices, and its the drummers choice whether thats the voice he wants too have. buddy rich is his own drummer, he chose the heads he wanted to use to voice his drums. we respect, and even use his choice as a reference, but that doesnt make his choice universal.[/QUOTE]


Yes, that's a valid point. However if one chooses to make "thud" his sound. Then that person might as well buy an export and call it even.


Jim's (I think) point is. When you have a well made drum, it's made to sing out. It's made to be a drum. It's made to go.. Dooooon.

If you want that thud drum, that's cool. No sense wasting time, money, good drums and so forth on it though.

By using a pinstripe head you are taking AWAY from the drums sound.

[QUOTE=RyanTheDrummer]Woah Styler vs Jim o_O

Eh.....Boring day.Im eating cup ramen.Yum.[/QUOTE]


Ramen=1337 like a beat.

or something

[QUOTE=styler]that doesnt make them better, they changed there voice. that happens over time, i bet there setups have changed too, as well as there playing, i bet theyve even changed there personalities a good bit. that doesnt mean one is right or wrong.

also just because there famous doesnt mean there right or wrong. there not better than anyone because there famous, there opinion isnt better than anyone elses.[/QUOTE]
Gadd hasnt changed his style in 30 years, portnoy has changed a bit either.

[QUOTE=Josiah]Yes, that's a valid point. However if one chooses to make "thud" his sound. Then that person might as well buy an export and call it even.
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Exactly, thats like buying a sonor delight and tossing hydros on it, get a CB 700 tune it the same and you wouldnt tell a difference.

My friend export sounds nice! Put coated Emps over clear ambs. I was surprised!

josiah:
thats not the point im making, if the person who bought it wanted that sound, who are we to say there wrong. who are we to say that the noise you described is the sound of a drum, drums can make a million different sounds, none of them are specifically right or wrong.

jim:
theyve still grown as drummers and people though, they changed there voice, and it was there choice to change it.

faith:
i dont much mind the sound of my teachers old export, his bass drum is amazing.

[QUOTE=styler]drums can make a million different sounds, none of them are specifically right or wrong.[/QUOTE]
They sure can, but they will only make one sound with a hydro or pin.

but the point im making, is if thats the sound they want to make, who are we to tell them otherwise.

Well we play the odd's here..


Odd's are that somebody doesn't know the potential their drums hold and short change themselves by purchasing "pre muffled" type heads.

im talking past that, if a seasoned drummer likes pinstripes, hydros, or a two ply head, who are we to tell them "dont buy that, it sucks"

if your going to make a purchase, it should be an intelligent purchase and you should know exactly what you want.

and if theyve done the research, and they chose pinstripes (example)
who are we to tell them to take it back, or to tell them its bad.

Just let drummers do what they want.
They'll learn and make mistakes...it's all part of learning :thumb:

bam!

you need to go on msn more by the way ryan.

[QUOTE=styler]im talking past that, if a seasoned drummer likes pinstripes, hydros, or a two ply head, who are we to tell them "dont buy that, it sucks"

if your going to make a purchase, it should be an intelligent purchase and you should know exactly what you want.
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Bingo.

And such people don't ask on internet forums. So we can safely assume they aren't in the questioning audience.

Back in 2002 I came on here and was recommended Hydros :-/

i wasnt really talking about people on here, just any drummer in general. if they like a sound, it should be there choice to have it as a voice of there drums or not.

saying that something sucks is different from recommending against it. and that's how you weed out the ones who know what they're talking about, and the one's who are just following what someone with a higher post count says.

if you ask someone who knows anything, they'll say "instead of getting hydro's, look into ambs/emps/g1's/etc."

if you ask someone who doesn't know a thing about tuning, they'll say "hydros suck. they sound so bad."

see the difference between the two?

It's all about personal preference....
Are you on msn now Styler? :amaze:
I im you but you never respond :'(

yep. smartest post on this page goes to sic.

youve im'd me twice in the last week :( and you always go offline after i get it.

and yes i am, my msn is always on.

smartest post goes to styler for awarding me with the smartest post.

no, wait. you get second smartest post, i'm still smarter, even though you're smart enough to recognize how smart i am. which, by the way, is pretty smart.

It's about versatility the same thing can be said about sound focus rings on high end drums. Your paying thousands of dollars for a drum thats "pre-focused" Why? Why would you do such a thing when you can simply tune for focus? You can tune a clear amb down MUCH deeper and lower and even more focused then a pinstripe. You don't need these things at all.

Look.. Do you want the tool your sitting behind to be limited no matter how great of a player you are? Or do you want something that can suit ANY idea that comes into your head. Ever play soft on a hydrualic head before? It sounds like tap dancing on a box of zip lock bags. If you want to be a great player having an instrument that can express yourself in any dynamic situation and volume is utterly important.

it's like buying a sports car, then having 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear taken out. sure, the car will still drive...

[quote=Double Bass Jim]It's about versatility the same thing can be said about sound focus rings on high end drums. Your paying thousands of dollars for a drum thats "pre-focused" Why? Why would you do such a thing when you can simply tune for focus? You can tune a clear amb down MUCH deeper and lower and even more focused then a pinstripe. You don't need these things at all.

Look.. Do you want the tool your sitting behind to be limited no matter how great of a player you are? Or do you want something that can suit ANY idea that comes into your head. [B]Ever play soft on a hydrualic head before? It sounds like tap dancing on a box of zip lock bags.[/B] If you want to be a great player having an instrument that can express yourself in any dynamic situation and volume is utterly important.[/quote]


its true...sadly...

i hit my medium tom lightly with my stick...all i heard was....boooong...i was like...EWW!

Hahah exactly!

[QUOTE=sic]it's like buying a sports car, then having 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear taken out. sure, the car will still drive...[/QUOTE]


Excellent example.

but it is still the persons choice, maybe the person will never need to express themselves in that way, its there expression to express, if they feel the need for an amb, great, if they feel the need for a pinstripe, even better, there not limiting themselves to just an amb.

suicide is a person's choice. is it the right answer? most certainly not.


by recommending them to a better head, we're still allowing them to limit the ways they express themselves, while at the same time, being able to express themselves in many other ways.

it's like if you wanted to be an artist, and someone got you an 8x12 piece of paper instead of a 3x3. sure, you can just use a 3x3 section of the 8x12, but now you've got much more room for freedom of expression.

man, i'm just throwing these metaphors all over the place. i'm in the zone tonight. ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!