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U r pussees lolzors1

i just want leaks the day of. Some one give me a promise, or at least a false hope

I find the names fitting, and informative about how the band has progressed since Lateralus..

Now before I get flamed, let me explain. In the interview with Kerrang! Maynard and Danny said something that I have been feeling for awhile..
They talk about how since Lateralus they were trying to spread a message, but it never got through the thick heads of the masses. Lateralus was a progression from the "realization" of Aenima, where in Lateralus they wanted to share what they realized. Now imagine trying to share a thought, and everyone is so busy materialistically masturbating that they don't listen. After awhile you would want to tear their heads open and say, "F*ck you! I f*cking tried!"
This is the progression from Lateralus..

Sure, The Pot, Rosetta Stoned, and Lost Keys (Blame Hoffmann), Lipan Conjuring don't sound like anything impressive, yet they have an esoteric foundation. The manipulations to the names just mean that Tool has given them their own brand..

Vicarious, Jambi, Wings For Marie (Pt 1), and 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) sound like a beginning to me. I have a reason for this thought, but the post is long enough as is already..

Intension, Right In Two, and Viginti Tres sounds like the final "F*ck you!" to me. Again, I have a reason, but people have short attention spans..

If these are fake, "Bravo". If not, "Interesting". Just stop comparing, and wait to masturbate to the music..

My two cents..

Actually Esoteric Creator, I'd be very interesting in whatever else you have to say/you think. I've been thinking about this album conceptually the same as you are, but I hadn't gotten into the tracks yet..

Yeah, leak discussion should be kept out of this thread...

I don't see how "Rosetta Stoned" is so un-Tool like. Do you know what a/the Rosetta Stone is? It was a stone that was found in Egypt that had Greek and Egyptian languages on it in 3 scripts, so it was a key to deciphering heiroglyphs. Now, already you have a Tool-ish concept of deciphering things and making hazy things clear. But, yes, of course, you have "stoned." Well......pull your head out of your ***; stoned refers to more things than just getting high. Being stoned used to be a death penalty or a way to make someone unconcious. Put the two together, and I think it has the potential for a very Tool-ish message.

These are the supposed tracklisting:

[I]Vicarious
Jambi
Wings For Marie (Pt 1)
10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2)
The Pot
Lipan Conjuring
Lost Keys (Blame Hofmann)
Rosetta Stoned
Intension
Right In Two
Viginti Tres [/I]

[B]*NOTE*[/B] [I]These are my views. Interpretations will always vary, yet from what I have read from the boards here (and many others) this is what I have gathered and decided for myself.[/I]

In my mind they are broken into 3 "acts". Act one being: Vicarious, Jambi, Wings For Marie [I](Pt 1)[/I], and 10,000 Days [I](Wings Pt 2)[/I]. Act two being: The Pot, Lipan Conjuring, Lost Keys [I](Blame Hofmann)[/I], and Rosetta Stoned. Finally with act three being: Intension, Right In Two, and Viginti Tres..

Then we have 4 albums: Opiate, Undertow, Aenima, and Lateralus with each being a progression of the other. Opiate/Undertow being the anger and experimental stages of Tool. In these albums they explore what makes them, them through emotions and experimentations with drugs. Then you Aenima, where something was realized. As for what was realized is left to interpretation, yet through the lyrics it's plain to see a discovery was on it's horizons. And at the end you have Lateralus. This was the album were it seemed like the "realization" was at the "come to terms/understanding" stage, and they wished to share the experience. To take what is experienced and learn from it..

Yet! Nothing was heard in the minds of those who experienced. Nothing was learned, and things progressed only to get worse. [I](take it as you will: Iraq war, re-election of Bush, fundamentalist uprising since 9/11, mis-use/misleading/altering/lack of information, ignorance and hate with no found source, etc.)[/I] You want, and the world needs, change, yet people rather masturbate in place..

Then sets in the fustration, and the final need to just say, "F*ck you! I f*cking tried!" And now comes Ten Thousand Days..

This album I think will chronicle the entire process..

The first act dealing with the experimentation with terms like Vicarious [I](meaning: "experienced or realized through imaginative or sympathetic participation in the experience of another")[/I], Jambi [I](closest reference is a province in India, yet! alot of Tool's "thoughts" come from eastern philosophy)[/I], and finally with WfM/10,000days [I](wings can be related to the merkaba, and 10,000days can be related to astrology. Again, a vibe of experimentation with different philosophies.)[/I]

The second act has deep roots in esoterica, and I think will chronicle the "realization". The Pot is open for meaning, yet to me is the acuminating knowledge. Lost Keys [I](blame Hoffmann)[/I] relates to the lost keys of enoch, and a connection to LSD as an enlightening substance. Lipan Conjuring is another that relates to lost knowledge being known through psychoactives used by shamans [I](i.e. Native-American, African, and any other ancient civilization shamans)[/I] Cryptology with Rosetta Stoned being turned into a verb to describe [I](maybe)[/I] what they learned. This act is the experience..

Finally, act three. The big F[I]U[/I]CK YOU. Intension, which is self-explanatory. Right in Two. Now, I have heard a couple of theories about this one, but none to satisfy my interest. Maybe something in line of 42+[I]2[/I], 44+[I]2[/I], and 46+[I]2[/I] consciousness grids. And finally Viginti Tres [I](23)[/I], which is half of the human genome, and the final statement of fustration with leaving the world to find themselves with only being have human..

I am done..

That second 'sample' sounded really cool.

I don't see what peoples problems are with people not liking the track names. Yes, we don't know the context of the names, we're taking them at face value at this stage, and some of them appear cheesy or bad. This may change when the music is also heard and/or other titles are revealed, obviously.

That first sample kinda sounded like the intro to Stinkfist... obviously a different riff, but same idea.

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]you need to shut up about leaks...

REALLY[/QUOTE]
I'm really not sure where this came from.

But I'm asking everyone else to shut up about leaks. Don't bring it in this thread, there are many people who agree.

That was a pretty stupid comment, Che...

Kage is right.

ALL LEAK DISCUSSION SHOULD NOT TAKE PLACE IN THIS THREAD TILL THE DAY OF THE ALBUM RELEASE, BY ORDER OF THE TOP POSTERS OF THE THREAD :cool:

[QUOTE=Esoteric_Creator] *overanalyses*[/QUOTE]

You're writing up big essays on what the concept of the album is BEFORE WE CAN BE SURE THAT'S THE PROPER TRACKLIST. Anyone else see a flaw in that logic?

yeah analysing an album based on what in all likeliness is a fake track listing (its Tool people, they lie and mislead) is fairly pointless, dont you have anything better to do.
I restate that i will not believe the tracklisting, album name, artwork or concept until i own the cd.
Prepares to flame Esoteric_Creator to high hell when the album does come out.

[QUOTE=deadinholywood]
Prepares to flame Esoteric_Creator to high hell when the album does come out.[/QUOTE]
Why should we do that? Because he actually brought some discussion to this thread? I thought he had some interesting ideas, regardless of how valid this tracklist is.

WAIT FOR THE ALBUM. Quit smoking pipes and theorizing you silly cunts. In the meantime, you could be ****ing, watching american idol, or butt plugging yourself to the NCAA tournament that is about to kick your *** in four days.

[QUOTE=omgwtfboogie]Why should we do that? Because he actually brought some discussion to this thread? I thought he had some interesting ideas, regardless of how valid this tracklist is.[/QUOTE]

You dont have to, i will, i simply doubt the validity of his analysis of an album that he hasn't heard. Can you write an acurate book review when you haven't read the book? Plus it seems to me he is just making metaphysical and esoteric references in an effort to look smart... There i said it.

[QUOTE=yeahyeah]WAIT FOR THE ALBUM. Quit smoking pipes and theorizing you silly squirrels. In the meantime, you could be ****ing, watching american idol, or butt plugging yourself to the NCAA tournament that is about to kick your *** in four days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]You dont have to, i will, i simply doubt the validity of his analysis of an album that he hasn't heard. Can you write an acurate book review when you haven't read the book? Plus it seems to me he is just making metaphysical and esoteric references in an effort to look smart... There i said it.[/QUOTE]

Would you two gtfo pleze kay thanx cya

Oh and the NCAA sucks this year because I can't make a bracket because there are too many potential upsets in every division.

I really am excited about the NCAA tourny...I'm especially glad that it'll help me ait for the Tool album.

Does anyone else get a fairly sharp Mars Volta feeling looking at the track names?

[QUOTE]You're writing up big essays on what the concept of the album is BEFORE WE CAN BE SURE THAT'S THE PROPER TRACKLIST. Anyone else see a flaw in that logic?[/QUOTE]

Though, wouldn't your logic be flawed simply because your statement is not fact either..? Therefore, I hold a stand as much as you do..

[QUOTE]yeah analysing an album based on what in all likeliness is a fake track listing (its Tool people, they lie and mislead) is fairly pointless, dont you have anything better to do.
I restate that i will not believe the tracklisting, album name, artwork or concept until i own the cd.
Prepares to flame Esoteric_Creator to high hell when the album does come out.[/QUOTE]

*prepares to flame you incase the titles are on the up-and-up*

[QUOTE] Plus it seems to me he is just making metaphysical and esoteric references in an effort to look smart... There i said it.[/QUOTE]

Don't try to belittle me. You're just making yourself look dumb. I say only what I know. Nothing more. If that threatens you somehow I suggest you stop posting..

[QUOTE]Would you two gtfo pleze kay thanx cya[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Get banned.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Oh and the NCAA sucks this year because I can't make a bracket because there are too many potential upsets in every division.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I really am excited about the NCAA tourny...I'm especially glad that it'll help me ait for the Tool album.[/QUOTE]

PWN'ed!

while we are revising stupid people. Stop using the phrase "pwned" geek lord. For the "Mars Volta" track listings. YOure still not obeying TOOL. Quit wondering and comparing you stupid jew. WAIT!

[QUOTE=yeahyeah]while we are revising stupid people. Stop using the phrase "pwned" geek lord. For the "Mars Volta" track listings. YOure still not obeying TOOL. Quit wondering and comparing you stupid jew. WAIT![/QUOTE]

Did you use your mind when you wrote that up?

Geek Lord? Are you five years old?

Pwn3d.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]I don't see how "Rosetta Stoned" is so un-Tool like. Do you know what a/the Rosetta Stone is? It was a stone that was found in Egypt that had Greek and Egyptian languages on it in 3 scripts, so it was a key to deciphering heiroglyphs. Now, already you have a Tool-ish concept of deciphering things and making hazy things clear. But, yes, of course, you have "stoned." Well......pull your head out of your ***; stoned refers to more things than just getting high. Being stoned used to be a death penalty or a way to make someone unconcious. Put the two together, and I think it has the potential for a very Tool-ish message.[/QUOTE]

lol I love how some tool fans just HAVE to find an intricate meaning in everything the band does. You seem to be forgetting the many tracks they have done in the past that play on their own pretentiousness (the eggs of satan comes to mind :P) and are more comedic than profound. Dont readily assume that tool is trying to be mysterious and intellectual in everything they do, it just comes across that way because they have a VERY strange sense of humour.

No Buddha For Mary Here it Comes, First thing that came to mind when I saw Wings For Mary which I think is an actually cool title. 10 000 days (Wings Pt.2) is the worst track name.

Also please stay the hell away from esoteric, if the guy had 10000 posts you would be sucking up. He is constructive and I liked his post and his logic is not flawed for making a THEORY.

im gonna continue theorising jsut to be a wankjob.

im pretty sure viginti tres is a biblical reference to a certain chapter most likely.

[QUOTE=borisdablade]lol I love how some tool fans just HAVE to find an intricate meaning in everything the band does. You seem to be forgetting the many tracks they have done in the past that play on their own pretentiousness (the eggs of satan comes to mind :P) and are more comedic than profound. Dont readily assume that tool is trying to be mysterious and intellectual in everything they do, it just comes across that way because they have a VERY strange sense of humour.[/QUOTE]
Well said.

Sup Tool fans, havent been in the thread for MONTHS, any idea of a release date or any kind of tour schedules being tossed around?