[QUOTE=whiteminority]We are in the emo/screamo thread and you don't have to love Gorilla Biscuits to post in here since they weren't emo.[/QUOTE]
I'm JUST PLAYIN.

i found 'cyronics' in virgin megastores

[QUOTE=quick_death]i found 'cyronics' in virgin megastores[/QUOTE]
i found rumors laid waste, the bloodbrothers ep, its kinda rare, so i guess virgin megastores are decent.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300648[/url]

^ Could someone add a emo/screamo definition on there? It hasn't been edited in ages.

I refer this thread and the definition thread to people all over the internet when we get in arguments about emo, but that is making it difficult since their is no definition listed for emo or screamo, just hardcore genres.

I am subscribing to this thread, ignore this post.

[QUOTE=-1up!-]Emotional Hardcore, Emo for short, is a genre started in 1985 by bands like Rites of Spring and Moss Icon who took the basic foundations of hardcore and added in artsy guitar lines, poetic lyrics, and passionate vocals. Over time, emo has evolved into a few different styles. There's traditional emo (Moss Icon, Driftwood), hardcore emo (Reach Out, Heroin), mid-west indie influenced (Rockets and Blue Lights, Nuzzle), and screamo (You and I, Usurp Synapse). Although it HAS evolved, absolutley none of the mainstream bands like Hawthorne Heights and Thursday are emo or an evolution of emo. Most, if not all of those bands are either Pop-Punk or Post-Hardcore. The decision to call bands like alexisonfire screamo was arbitrary and mis-informed. Don't be fooled by what the media tells you.

Due to the nature of its bands, emo is not very well known to the public. Most emo bands had very short lives and some of them never released an actual record (only demos and such). This made it impossible for some bands to gain a vast reputation while they were still active. This is not true for all bands though, as there are a few successful acts in the emo genre which are still active and vastly known by the emo "community", Circle Takes The Square and Hot Cross being very good examples.

The emo musical genre has NOTHING to do with the emo "slice-my-wrists" culture. Emo, musically speaking, is not about cutting your wrists, cutting your hair so it covers 50% of your face, wearing girl pants when you're a male, putting mascara all over your eyes, etc. Emo is about making hardcore music in an artsy/poetic way to focus on a varied specter of emotions. Yes, most music is about emotion. However, emo is hardcore-derived; while hardcore focuses on feelings of rage and alienation through a political struggle, emo is generally more introspective.


(Insert examples of emo bands here)[/QUOTE]

Written by Wow and me. DFelon would probably direct you to Wikipedia's definition but it's epic-length and I'm pretty sure most people won't bother reading it all.

If anyone feels the need to add something to that definition, go right ahead.

Good definition.

Now we need to get a mod to put it on the definition page, where it belongs :lol:

No mention of Embrace? How dare you.

It said insert examples of emo bands Reiner.

I still do not see Embrace there.

Well I guess that was bad that Embrace was not mentioned, but I bought a book called "American Hardcore: A Tribal History" (coverage of american HC from 80-86) and his coverage of the DC scene barely touched upon emotion hardcore and mentioned off-handedly. Even worse in the entire coverage of NYHC Gorilla Biscuits didn't get mentioned until the last page of the 20+pg chapter and it was only a sentence.

While that book is a fun read, it is deffinently not that good factual wise. I can't think of the right way to word it, but I hope you know what I ment.

I don't think it was ment to cover Emo though.

You should write a book. It would turn out good.

I know it wasn't but you know Emo had a decent impact on DC hardcore and Gorilla Biscuits getting the one sentece thats bulls'hit that whole chapter on NYHC was primarily about Murphys Law and AF.

[QUOTE=SunnyDayRealEstateAM]You should write a book. It would turn out good.[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

Your jealous.

[QUOTE=SunnyDayRealEstateAM]You should write a book. It would turn out good.[/QUOTE]

Sycophant.

You're book would have bad grammer.

My book would make me millions.

Who the hell cares about grammar in the summer?

Besides there are things called 'editors'.
[QUOTE=Chiller_Than_Most]You're book would have bad gramm[b]e[/b]r.[/QUOTE]
Good spelling though. Also Pat, it's 'your' since it is my book, representing ownership.

[QUOTE=REINER]My book would make me millions.

Who the hell cares about grammar in the summer?

Besides there are things called 'editors'.

Good spelling though.[/QUOTE]

'you're'

Where did I use a form of Your/You're?

I think he's talking about me, when I said "You're book would have bad grammer".

I was on of the top 15 spellers in the greater san antonio area in 4th grade.

Too bad you weren't in the top 15 for gramm[b]a[/b]r.

I know how to spell grammar now, but if I put grammar in the quote, I'd be misquoting myself.

That second comma is unnecessary.

Yes, it is. I've always been bad with putting too many commas.

LOL @ all the 'your' mistakes

[QUOTE=REINER]Your jealous.[/QUOTE]


Don't judge someone on their grammar skills when you made the same type of mistake.

Every post on grammar/spelling in this thread (by me) was a joke.

Me too, except for that comma thing. That was my bad. I'm so stupid.

I was just busting your balls at the comma thing.

[QUOTE=Chiller_Than_Most]Me too, except for that comma thing. That was my bad. I'm so stupid.[/QUOTE]
We need bad grammar occasionally. If all grammar was good, how would we know it is good without having the bad to compare it to?

[QUOTE=REINER]Where did I use a form of Your/You're?[/QUOTE]

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You better just stay out of this Berserker. It's come and gone.

Too late, amd you quoted the wrong post.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Shut up. I talked to this guy online who grew up with the emo scene in DC while living in LA from 85-Present. He has written most of the wikipedia emo site, which is pretty informative once I convinced him to make a popcore page to split out all the stuff that we both agreed didn't belong but he had been previously too lazy to fix. Anyway. I'm going to combine his 1ups, and many others to get a really good history when my work ends this Friday.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo[/url][/QUOTE]

Too bad that both articles seem to be up for deletion/alteration. They are a great read, and especially the emo-article is educational. (Blows fourfa.com out of the water IMO. People should stop tossing it around, chose this instead)

Seems that quite a lot of people think both articles ar not neutral enough (and the folks at Wiki seem quite anal about that)

EDIT: And a little sidenote for you to laugh about Nick, someone submitted a genre change on Sputnik for Thrice. Proposed new genre: Pop Rock... Yeah, right :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=whiteminority]Well I guess that was bad that Embrace was not mentioned, but I bought a book called "American Hardcore: A Tribal History" (coverage of american HC from 80-86) and his coverage of the DC scene barely touched upon emotion hardcore and mentioned off-handedly. Even worse in the entire coverage of NYHC Gorilla Biscuits didn't get mentioned until the last page of the 20+pg chapter and it was only a sentence.[/QUOTE]

Really bad book. Focuses way too much on certain scenes (aka the moshers) and the dude's writing style is wayyy childish.

I thought that the coverage of Black Flag and the Misfits (a chapter each) was really good but I am biased and those are two of my favorite bands.

[QUOTE=-1up!-]Emotional Hardcore, Emo for short, is a genre started in 1985 by bands like Rites of Spring and Moss Icon who took the basic foundations of hardcore and added in artsy guitar lines, poetic lyrics, and passionate vocals. Over time, emo has evolved into a few different styles. There's traditional emo (Moss Icon, Driftwood), hardcore emo (Reach Out, Heroin), mid-west indie influenced (Rockets and Blue Lights, Nuzzle), and screamo (You and I, Usurp Synapse). Although it HAS evolved, absolutley none of the mainstream bands like Hawthorne Heights and Thursday are emo or an evolution of emo. Most, if not all of those bands are either Pop-Punk or Post-Hardcore. The decision to call bands like alexisonfire screamo was arbitrary and mis-informed. Don't be fooled by what the media tells you.

Due to the nature of its bands, emo is not very well known to the public. Most emo bands had very short lives and some of them never released an actual record (only demos and such). This made it impossible for some bands to gain a vast reputation while they were still active. This is not true for all bands though, as there are a few successful acts in the emo genre which are still active and vastly known by the emo "community", Circle Takes The Square and Hot Cross being very good examples.

The emo musical genre has NOTHING to do with the emo "slice-my-wrists" culture. Emo, musically speaking, is not about cutting your wrists, cutting your hair so it covers 50% of your face, wearing girl pants when you're a male, putting mascara all over your eyes, etc. Emo is about making hardcore music in an artsy/poetic way to focus on a varied specter of emotions. Yes, most music is about emotion. However, emo is hardcore-derived; while hardcore focuses on feelings of rage and alienation through a political struggle, emo is generally more introspective.


(Insert examples of emo bands here)[/QUOTE]

'Emo' is still hardcore and people tend to forget this alot.
Anyway, the bands you mentioned as examples aren't really appropriate as Driftwood are quite obscure and only had one 7". Moss Icon are a good one, although they were still slightly unevolved. Indian Summer or something would be more appropriate.
'Hardcore emo?!' Who the **** came up with that? Very silly.

The whole mid-west thing- Rockets and Bluelights are a relatively new band so they don't really fit in the list that well. Nuzzle sound nothing like those bands.. more in line with Swing Kids and other San Diego stuff.

The real reason bands didn't get too well-known: they didn't tour alot. Just think of bands like Breakwater, September, Driftwood, Fieldtree, Mainspring. Have a couple records out but aren't that well-known as, say Indian Summer.
Emo dhardly still exists, it's a wave that came and went really. Just a couple bands left like Die Emperor, Toru Okada etc.