Yeah, we might be reading to far into it, but who knows? It still sounds cool and if nothing else is a good transition.

"They are known to make people feel better, so that's our feel good song of the record..." Danny Carey on (-)ions.

"They are known to make the song list of the album look more impressive"
~Danny Carey's subconscious on (-)Ions

If anybody has Gmail, do you think you could send me live versions of Push it and/or Third Eye?

rep++ if you do.

[email]spiralout7@gmail.com[/email]

EDIT: I'm out, so I will leave you with a few words from the liner notes of Ænima

See You Auntie

:lol: Get it?

If not, say each syllable slowly.

(-)Ions is the only Tool "filler" I've ever disliked. It takes too much time to get into Third Eye, so I generally skip that one. But I disagree with the statement that the first five minutes or so of Third Eye is boring. The whole song is great, and Maynard's vocal melody, especially for the "I've missed you so much" part is spectacular.

got you thinking in a different perspective.

anyway, the track (-)ions is a creative expression of the subject.
of course, if you care that much to include a track about ions.
it is interesting that they didnt compose a (+)ions...what would have that sounded like, a vaccuum? (-)ions fits well, as a breath and a pause, a refreshing calm after the 'flushing away' of aenema and to the opening up of third eye.

they are krafty...

ions sounds great on good headphones

Yeah, I've changed my opinion of Third Eye. But I have to listen to it with the volume cranked WAYY up. It's a mindblowing song. Shiver down spine quality.

The beginning of the song, the beginning/main guitar line before the first lyrics, and when Maynard says "singing one familiar song... SO GOOD TO SEE YOU, I'VE MISSED YOU SO MUCH" -- it just gives me a great feeling.

Corny, yes, but I DON'T GIVE A ****! lol

Did you guys ever hear hidden/subliminal sort of messages. You can hear some sort of talking in (-) Ions and Cesaro Summability. I remember reading about them it lots of songs, but it just might be crazy talk.

[QUOTE=conciousuniverse]You all should really read "Nothing in this book is true, but its exactly how things are" and also "You are a spiritual being having a human experience".... if you have the extra time and cash also look for "the spectrum of conciousness" its a huge book and explains everything...which is nothing... but i dont want to trip yall out, so just read those books...

also, check out this link, which ive posted before (and didnt get much response, because it seems that yall arent into the philosophies behind tool) but ill post again, hopefully someone will find it useful, as my friends and i did.

[URL=http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm]"Lateralus Meanings"[/URL]

**Before you get the new album**
Also, Danny Carey suggested reading about the temple of solomon and his magick, in order to be "prepared". A good book covering this would be, "The Magick of Solomon" by Poke Runyun.


Comments welcome.[/QUOTE]



ehh. that was pretty weird if your an open-minded person. i like what they said about Disposition, it really does relate to it in the mood and tone of the song. Also in reflection and triad, Especially liked what he said about the moon and all, and the thing about the christianity stuff(if you read it notice it creates a cross in the middle, and the silence in triad could be what he meant by "to listen you must be silent" and he also stated that when you pass listen to the lovingness of all the people helping you reach the top, pretty good explaination indeed.

mudvayne, thanks for your comments on the post.

I gotta take a break from Tool tonight and surrender to the keys and siren of Tori Amos.

Hmm, what are the chances of the new Tool album being a double disc?

[QUOTE=conciousuniverse]mudvayne, thanks for your comments on the post.

I gotta take a break from Tool tonight and surrender to the keys and siren of Tori Amos.

Hmm, what are the chances of the new Tool album being a double disc?[/QUOTE]
i can only hope...

4 degrees
 

Hey all,

I've just gotten into Tool about a month ago.. I listened to them a little before but now I'm truly getting into them. I have yet to dig deep into the meanings behind their lyrics, and I know I may sound like a moron for saying this, but I think even listening to the music itself can be challenging and stimulating to your brain because of the odd time signatures and all.

One song that I am hooked on though is 4 Degrees. The line, "I'll kill what you want me to, take what's left and eat it," is one of the most incredible lines I've heard in a song. To me that song is about seeing a person who isn't living up to his/her potential, and taking action to help them get back on their feet and be all they are capable of being. That specific line to me says, "I will take away your enemies, your demons inside, and if anything's leftover, I'll get rid of that too." It displays such a selfless act of love.. even going as far as self-sacrificing in order to help this person the other believes in so strongly. I would love a man to say that line to me, hehe.

I hope it hasn't been discussed before, if so, I'm sorry. I'd like to hear others' opinions on this song, because I usually seem to be pretty off. You should have seen my interpretation of APC's Pet, hehe.

Well goodnight for now.

[QUOTE=Corganschild]Hey all,

I've just gotten into Tool about a month ago.. I listened to them a little before but now I'm truly getting into them. I have yet to dig deep into the meanings behind their lyrics, and I know I may sound like a moron for saying this, but I think even listening to the music itself can be challenging and stimulating to your brain because of the odd time signatures and all.

One song that I am hooked on though is 4 Degrees. The line, "I'll kill what you want me to, take what's left and eat it," is one of the most incredible lines I've heard in a song. To me that song is about seeing a person who isn't living up to his/her potential, and taking action to help them get back on their feet and be all they are capable of being. That specific line to me says, "I will take away your enemies, your demons inside, and if anything's leftover, I'll get rid of that too." It displays such a selfless act of love.. even going as far as self-sacrificing in order to help this person the other believes in so strongly. I would love a man to say that line to me, hehe.

I hope it hasn't been discussed before, if so, I'm sorry. I'd like to hear others' opinions on this song, because I usually seem to be pretty off. You should have seen my interpretation of APC's Pet, hehe.

Well goodnight for now.[/QUOTE]

Well welcome corganschild(**** corgan he stole my paz from apc!) just kidding.

Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Well welcome corganschild(**** corgan he stole my paz from apc!) just kidding.

Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist[/QUOTE]

True, of course the sexual overtones are always there.. it's always some sexual something with Maynard isn't it. But hopefully there was meant to be a deeper meaning in it, I'd like to think so anyway. This song has some sort of sentimental value to me now too, I guess that's another reason why I like it, hehe.

And hey don't worry, Zwan broke up anyway so Paz is no longer Billy's. You can have her back now. :)

[QUOTE]Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist[/QUOTE]

When I first found out that.. I read through the lyrics... and almost every line refers to it. I had minor nightmares...

[QUOTE=jensmatty]When I first found out that.. I read through the lyrics... and almost every line refers to it. I had minor nightmares...[/QUOTE]

Come on guys, don't destroy my fantasy.

Corganschild, I like your post.

imo, the songs are meant to apply to each listeners experience.
one day you might feel sexy and explore that side of the song, another day you might feel dispare in trying to help a friend (us the listeners or your own personal relationship) to self discovery.

welcome to the forum.
tool is a leader in the artist collective.
we support them and they support us!
discover all your hidden treasures and share them with the collective :)




oh and welcome to the forum!!

conciousuniverse, I thank you for showing these things to us, particularly the Adobe Acrobat book that I just spent an hour reading. It opened up so many unimaginable possibilities, I only dream of applying so much knowledge to observations!

Oh, and when reading the Ticks & Leeches lyrics, I realised that they DO swear in Lateralus. I'm glad to see that they are gradually finding more means to express their emotions then simple cursing.

I have one problem with this book though; why does he place Lateralus, Disposition and Reflection together? He just says that fans commonly say this. I don't think he realises that Disposition (his explanation opened up a lot of thought for me), Reflection and Triad are linked together on the sleeve of the packaging >_<

For all those who have yet to be affected by Tool
It will hit you when you least expect
But don't listen and think "ok, a few more listens, and if it hasn't grown on me, I'm leaving"
They are your own
Tool's songs are your's to experience
Don't listen for cool riffs, awesome effects and sweet basslines
Listen for a meaning, listen for the voice grabbing you, listen to the "feel".

Happy Tooling!

Does anyone know about the weird movements Maynard does live? It looks like theres something wrong with his balance.

Werny, thanks for your comments!

I believe you are correct about Disposition, Reflection and Triad.
It works that way on the Qabala, as well.

However, depending on where you choose to begin and it is also interchangeable with Lateralus, Disposition and then Reflection.

That reminds me... Once upon a time while listening to Triad on a good dose of X, I experienced a hallucination/vision of a giant muscle, not unlike a brain, but not as defined. There was an enormous amout of movement and force, to the rhythm of Triad. I am trying to find a nice way to animate this idea, to share the experience with others. Gee, I hope that wasnt too incriminating...Eh, feel free not to comment on this.

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]If anybody has Gmail, do you think you could send me live versions of Push it and/or Third Eye?

rep++ if you do.

[email]spiralout7@gmail.com[/email]

EDIT: I'm out, so I will leave you with a few words from the liner notes of Ænima

See You Auntie

:lol: Get it?

If not, say each syllable slowly.[/QUOTE]

My Gmail's not working right now, but when I go to my dad's house later I'll send you them then.

[QUOTE=HerMelin]Does anyone know about the weird movements Maynard does live? It looks like theres something wrong with his balance.[/QUOTE]

i just thought he was high

I tried Gmailing the files, they are too big though.

I sent him push-it I think. :wave:

does anyone know what synth adam uses? after hearing reflection i must know. playing guitar and synth on two different time sigs at the same time is amazing

Though I can't answer your question, I just have to say that upon hearing Reflection for the first time, I think it changed my life. Such an amazingly good song.

YEah dude, Tool are just amazing. They've influenced my life in so many positive ways. I'd say they're the only band that have had such a profound impact on me.

You know ever since Lateralus (sp? sorry) they have become more mainstream. I hope this doesn't have an effect on their music. I don't think it will......but it wouldn't be the first time somthing like that happened to a great band like that.

I doubt it will effect their music. They have been fairly mainstream ever since Ænima. You have to be a fairly well known band to win a Grammy, correct? So, as of yet, it has had no effect.

[QUOTE=TrainTakeMeHome]YEah dude, Tool are just amazing. They've influenced my life in so many positive ways. I'd say they're the only band that have had such a profound impact on me.[/QUOTE]
The whole of Lateralus as an album really influenced and inspired me as a musician and a listener. I can honestly say that Tool's music has changed me as a person, all for the better. It really inspired me on so many levels.
The moment tickets go on sale in the NYC area, I'm definitely buying a few. I would love to see them live (and witness Maynard's ape-like stage presence).

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]I doubt it will effect their music. They have been fairly mainstream ever since Ænima. You have to be a fairly well known band to win a Grammy, correct? So, as of yet, it has had no effect.[/QUOTE]

Well I guess thats true, but well I guess what I mean is since Lateralus I've seen a bigger poser fan base.

[QUOTE=pigonthewing82]Well I guess thats true, but well I guess what I mean is since Lateralus I've seen a bigger poser fan base.[/QUOTE]

OGT represent. :lol:

[QUOTE=EliteX7]OGT represent. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Well, I've got some advice for you, little buddy!

even since undertow they had some mainstream attention. that didn't effect aenima or lateralus in anyway, in fact aenima and lateralus are my favorites. they believe in the music so much that i don't think they'll fall to the mainstream syndrome. they may change to a style i may not like(gods forbid) but they wont catch the infamous syndrome

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]Well, I've got some advice for you, little buddy![/QUOTE]
Before you point your finger you should know that im the man...
:cool:
tool is also one of my favorite bands

[QUOTE=jamesclelland]even since undertow they had some mainstream attention. that didn't effect aenima or lateralus in anyway, in fact aenima and lateralus are my favorites. they believe in the music so much that i don't think they'll fall to the mainstream syndrome. they may change to a style i may not like(gods forbid) but they wont catch the infamous syndrome[/QUOTE]

The mainstream attention could have been positive, it doesn't always have to be negative! But, I don't think we can find out whether or not the attention had anything to do with it.

[QUOTE=BlindWriting]Well, I've got some advice for you, little buddy![/QUOTE]

Learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim... :wave:

i hated the sh¡t out of tool for a long time, and the only song i heard was schism. but today i dowloaded aenema, lateralus and the grudge. they have great guitar/bass lines and there drums are pretty cool. the only thing is i dont realy like the vocals.

[QUOTE=DrummerFreakYo]i hated the sh¡t out of tool for a long time, and the only song i heard was schism. but today i dowloaded aenema, lateralus and the grudge. they have great guitar/bass lines and there drums are pretty cool. the only thing is i dont realy like the vocals.[/QUOTE]

Try Disposition, Reflection and Triad. These are great songs, listen to them in that order to because they all go together. Not very much singing, if you don't like Maynard's style/voice.