[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16490483]Weather Channel music, awesome![/QUOTE]

lol typical metalhead response

so you prefer "jazz like" (even though it isn't anything like jazz) over actual jazz

that's cool i guess

\m/ [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=xMm7gqowAO4[/url] \m/

You Guys Are All Jews Hahahahhahahahahahah

I like, e.g., Miles Davis but not wimpy guitar noodling

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;16490488]\m/ [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=xMm7gqowAO4[/url] \m/[/QUOTE]
win

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8MpuNovas[/url]

germans \m/

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16490491]I like, e.g., Miles Davis but not wimpy guitar noodling[/QUOTE]

well it's a good thing john mclaughlin didn't work with miles davis on some of his most important albums

oh wait

A lot of people like Nachtmystium but hate Xasthur (Malefic has collaborated with Nachtmystium)

So I hope you have a point

Anyway, since I'm white-white and not tan-white, I'm not allowed to like music by black people. I forgot that

that sounded dumb amit

so you're not a fan of bitches brew or in a silent way?

[quote]Anyway, since I'm white-white and not tan-white, I'm not allowed to like music by black people. I forgot that[/quote]

yeah it's totally a racial thing not a cultural thing

I just don't like music that sounds like that. its irritating imo.

yeah that is a poor argument

just because someone is associated with another artist doesn't mean you should be forced to like that artist

this tbh

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=eaScyfSHc-Y[/url]

Amit, I watched the vid you posted. I guess I see where that can be considered technical. But I don't see how you can deny that there are musicians within metal that at least approach that level of technicality.

That aside, I didn't think the video sounded particularly good. Reminded me of an Allan Holdsworth with less feel taking an endless solo over a looping midi arrangement.

[QUOTE=xNerox;16490511]Amit, I watched the vid you posted. I guess I see where that can be considered technical. But I don't see how you can deny that there are musicians within metal that at least approach that level of technicality.[/quote]

do they? i have never heard one and i've been posting in and listening to/watching songs/videos posted in the guitar forum for almost five years now

[QUOTE=xNerox;16490511]That aside, I didn't think the video sounded particularly good. Reminded me of an Allan Holdsworth with less feel taking an endless solo over a looping midi arrangement.[/QUOTE]

it wasn't meant to sound "good;" it's the last lesson on extremely advanced improvisation on mclaughlin's instructional DVD

[QUOTE=iarescientists;16490509]yeah that is a poor argument

just because someone is associated with another artist doesn't mean you should be forced to like that artist[/QUOTE]

i agree

but when both artists play the same style of music and are equally acclaimed yet you discount one of them for playing that style of music and not the other, it is certainly logically inconsistent

did anyone look at my Kraftwerk video

[QUOTE=Amit;16490503]yeah it's totally a racial thing not a cultural thing[/QUOTE]

Yeah too bad the culture of northern India has very, very little to do with that of sub-Saharan Africa or of American populations of sub-Saharan African origin

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16490523]did anyone look at my Kraftwerk video[/quote]

kraftwerk is very good

i like trans europe express

[QUOTE=1338 h4x0r;16490523]Yeah too bad the culture of northern India has very, very little to do with that of sub-Saharan Africa or of American populations of sub-Saharan African origin[/QUOTE]

yeah too bad that has nothing to do with how i live my life and view culture; i think it's funny how you think i'm from northern indian culture

if you want to really know what i am, just ask and i can correct your assumptions for you

did you happen to check out gigi anyway

[quote]did anyone look at my Kraftwerk video[/quote]
kinda wierdddd

Amit:

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=vsI-30k6uuA[/url]

tbh

[QUOTE=Amit;16490528]yeah too bad that has nothing to do with how i live my life and view culture; i think it's funny how you think i'm from northern indian culture[/QUOTE]

Dis white boy gots [B]cred[/B]!

[QUOTE=Angmar;16490536]Amit:

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=vsI-30k6uuA[/url]

tbh[/QUOTE]

it's like mahavishnu orchestra except less difficult to play :]

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=utqWrkVEQvI[/url]

[QUOTE=Angmar;16490546][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=utqWrkVEQvI[/url][/QUOTE]

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FNlwmpU7Rk[/url]

[QUOTE=Amit;16490519]it wasn't meant to sound "good;" it's the last lesson on extremely advanced improvisation on mclaughlin's instructional DVD[/QUOTE]

Well if "sounding good" isn't part of the technicality equation then I can spit out ridiculously technical metal guitarists who sound like **** all day long.

Maybe I'm not the best person to be making this argument, considering I barely take technicality into account at all when I decide what I like listening to.

Amit I consider this band and song to be a good representation of neoclassical music.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=vNM_MNBeQio[/url]

[QUOTE=xNerox;16490552]Well if "sounding good" isn't part of the technicality equation then I can spit out ridiculously technical metal guitarists who sound like **** all day long.[/quote]

well i think it sounds great and clearly lots of other people do as well; that's the problem of talking about what sounds good

and those ridiculously "technical" metal guitarists still won't hold a candle to old man john :[

[QUOTE=xNerox;16490552]Maybe I'm not the best person to be making this argument, considering I barely take technicality into account at all when I decide what I like listening to.[/QUOTE]

me neither

but it's fun to talk about!

Guys we can't really fault Amit on having banana logic... I mean...

[QUOTE=Angmar;16490553]Amit I consider this band and song to be a good representation of neoclassical music.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=vNM_MNBeQio[/url][/QUOTE]

Quit posting such elite bands around here. Now all the malldwellers will be jacking off to it.

LOL, look at that Möevöt video

[QUOTE=Angmar;16490560]Guys we can't really fault Amit on having banana logic... I mean...[/QUOTE]

Well you must understand that he started out with mango logic before he realized he could trade up to banana logic by acting black

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=DEuy89N0mTM[/url]

^I'd say it's technical and sounds good. Only problem possibly being that the kid digs his Holdsworth maybe a bit too much.

[QUOTE=xNerox;16490564][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=DEuy89N0mTM[/url]

^I'd say it's technical and sounds good. Only problem possibly being that the kid digs his Holdsworth maybe a bit too much.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=jB95clOd6v0[/url]

stop posting links

you're not going to change amit's mind and amit isn't going to change anyone else's mind

let's just all admit we're too close-minded to hear the other side's argument and aruge about race or something slightly less irrelevant

[QUOTE=Amit;16490566][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=jB95clOd6v0[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm not trying to compete. Just because it's not McLaughlin doesn't mean it's not technical.

[QUOTE=Amit;16490566][url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=jB95clOd6v0[/url][/QUOTE]

I kind of like how "busy" that sounded.

Through the trials and tribulations of this thread I think we have reached these conclusions.
[LIST]Amit is under banana logic, although it's not all his fault it is still a way we can try and understand.[/LIST][LIST]Metal is an inferior genre of music[/LIST][LIST][*]Heil Hitler![/LIST]

[QUOTE=Amit;16490405]

i believe the classical to metal influence is [B]extremely [/B]overstated by metal fans and that this is simply an attempt of needlessly legitimizing one's preferred form of popular music (metal in this case) by tenuously associating it with a very established form of art music (classical music)

if metal was truly classically influenced, then it would be far less thematically transparent and also far more interested in compositional process and dynamics
[/QUOTE]

This might be the case. Might be overstated by some. True. But, what you're trying to do is also unfair. You're trying to negate it, like it's not really there at all. Which it most certainly 'is'. I'll drag out the same examples of Steve Harris (Maiden) and Rany Rhoads (Ozzy) again. If these guys study/appreciate Classical music for a period of time, and then they go to compose music themselves, and the same patterns which are characteristic of Classical music, now show up in their self-composed Heavy Metal, then there is a DEGREE of INFLUENCE happening. Sure as schitt there is. Is it a tremendous influence? NO! If it was, then it wouldn't be 'original' Ozzy or Maiden music. It would be a rip-off of someone else's earlier work. There is a small degree of influence.

There is a small to moderate Classical influence in this specific period of Heavy Metal. Now, in the case of Metallica, NO ONE in the band (to my knowledge) studied Classical music at all. Yet, that same thing that is found in Maiden and Rhoads' playing is also found in Metallica's '83 to '88 period. So, with them, they're actually getting their influence through 'proxy'. Hetfield and Ulrich were studying what was going on in NWOBHM music and they adjusted the band's sound accordingly. So, that Classical influence didn't come directly from Classical itself, but instead, from the 1st gen. of musicians who were adopting the techniques. Same thing happens in modern Metal every couple of years. Someone figures out how to do something a little differently, and then EVERYONE else starts to interject that thing into their own music. All Metal is (or any genre for that matter) a recycling or borrowing/stealing of ideas from other artists.

[QUOTE=Angmar;16490594]Heil Hitler![/QUOTE]

Best post so far

o/

We have already finished all discussion needed in this thread plz cease!

[QUOTE=Angmar;16490594]Through the trials and tribulations of this thread I think we have reached these conclusions.
[LIST]Amit is under banana logic, although it's not all his fault it is still a way we can try and understand.[/LIST][LIST]Metal is an inferior genre of music[/LIST][LIST][*]Heil Hitler![/LIST][/QUOTE]
[list][*]Dipset[/list]

[QUOTE=moltenlava;16490603]a lot of words[/QUOTE]

Not going to go in-depth, just wanted to point out that Cliff Burton of Metallica was a big fan of classical and could read sheet music, though I don't think he estensively studied it.

Dipset only comes into the conclusion when the fecal matter level of the situation has risen about 1488 bad posts.