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JohnXDoesn't 07-31-2005 12:01 AM

[QUOTE=Lunch]Speaking of that, the first side of Tommy is absolutely incredible. My father and I put it up there with the alltime best sides of albums.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah. No doubt. It is seamless. Dare I say near perfect. I enjoy that part immensely. And you are right on about Who's Next. It was a very ambitious project that Pete just couldn't quite pull off. He had an idea for a film and everything. Part of the whole concept was as you said, rock n roll as savior and liberator. And the search for the "perfect note" that would unify the world. Or something like that. In The Song Is Over at the very end is the line "There once was a note/Pure and easy/Playing so free/Like a breath/Rippling by. Or something like that? That was part of the longing search for the "note". And I believe the frantic end of Baba 'O Riley was supposed to be the climax of the film where everything just kind of implodes into one, while people dance frantically in some futuristic theater against an oppresive back drop. And through the dancing and frantic music they reach a sort of nirvana and simply leave there bodies and ascend to a higher place. Pretty heady stuff, if you ask me. It's no wonder Pete couldn't pull it off. But the rest of us got a fine album out of it.

Lunch 07-31-2005 12:07 AM

Yea I only had the basic overview, never knew all the details. The concept sounds a little bit cheesey to me anyway. I'm glad he ended up tackling the concept/double album idea again on Quadrophenia, with a much more workable and relevant idea.

Seafroggys 07-31-2005 12:35 AM

Wasn't there actually a couple of live performances of Lifehouse? I dunno....

I know Bargain was also part of the original concept. Thats a cool song. I love the little bridge part where its just the synth playing the little melody and Moon stomping on the bass drums and cymbals.

Behind Blue Eyes is my favorite song off of Who's Next.

robo2448 07-31-2005 09:12 AM

I've always preferred Tommy. Q is kind of overproduced at some points. It's a great album to listen to once in a while, but I feel it sometimes gets old, whereas I could listen to Tommy everyday and not ever get bored.

rockinbass17 07-31-2005 09:46 AM

^^ I feel Townsend achieved much more on Quadrophenia musically, though. The only problem is that they couldn't reproduce the album on stage, and therefore it never became as popular as Tommy, which they performed every night for some time.

Glitterati 07-31-2005 10:57 AM

[QUOTE=Lunch]The original idea was something along the lines of a science fiction story where Rock and Roll saves the world and creates a Utopian society ".[/QUOTE]

That sounds like the best thing ever.

wanderer 07-31-2005 02:11 PM

[QUOTE=rockinbass17]^^ I feel Townsend achieved much more on Quadrophenia musically, though. The only problem is that they couldn't reproduce the album on stage, and therefore it never became as popular as Tommy, which they performed every night for some time.[/QUOTE]

This is of course one the bigges totally nonsense bogus things people still claim.
It worked fine and would have worked even better if they hadn't (and still are) been so lazy....

drugstore cowboy 07-31-2005 02:24 PM

I haven't actually got Quadrophenia, only Tommy. I've heard tracks from the former, and I think they're all outstanding. As for the story of Tommy, I sat through Ken Russel's film adaptation, so it makes a little more sense to me. Loooong movie, though.

As for Lifehouse, there are alot of themes from it you can find in Who's Next. The most obivious being the part in The Song is Over that JohnXDoe mentioned, and then the song Pure And Easy, which comes straight from Lifehouse, and is included with the bonus tracks on the Who's next CD.

Also, the last chords on Won't Get Fooled Again are the "perfect note" that they speak of.

As for live recordings, you can find some live versions of Who's Next songs on some deluxe two disc edition of Who's Next. They might have been recorded at the Young Vic, where they did Lifehouse, but I don't know for sure.

robo2448 07-31-2005 02:28 PM

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]I haven't actually got Quadrophenia, only Tommy. I've heard tracks from the former, and I think they're all outstanding. As for the story of Tommy, I sat through Ken Russel's film adaptation, so it makes a little more sense to me. Loooong movie, though.

As for Lifehouse, there are alot of themes from it you can find in Who's Next. The most obivious being the part in The Song is Over that JohnXDoe mentioned, and then the song Pure And Easy, which comes straight from Lifehouse, and is included with the bonus tracks on the Who's next CD.

Also, the last chords on Won't Get Fooled Again are the "perfect note" that they speak of.

As for live recordings, you can find some live versions of Who's Next songs on some deluxe two disc edition of Who's Next. They might have been recorded at the Young Vic, where they did Lifehouse, but I don't know for sure.[/QUOTE]

Yes, they were at the Young Vic.

rockinbass17 07-31-2005 04:25 PM

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]I haven't actually got Quadrophenia, only Tommy. I've heard tracks from the former, and I think they're all outstanding. As for the story of Tommy, I sat through Ken Russel's film adaptation, so it makes a little more sense to me. Loooong movie, though.[/QUOTE]

I really wanted to see that movie, but I can't find it in my local Blockbuster or any video store. I think I'll end up ordering it online.

Lunch 07-31-2005 05:09 PM

I saw a parts of it at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame exhibit on Tommy, which was awesome.

Walrus Gumboot 07-31-2005 05:12 PM

I just found Quadrophenia in my garage, which never seems to stop revealing album after album

drugstore cowboy 07-31-2005 05:12 PM

It's a very bizarre movie, but I guess that's what you'd have to expect after hearing the album. Some good cameos by Elton John, Eric Clapton, Tina Turner, and the rest of the Who, as Roger plays Tommy.

It continues on after "Listening to you..." and there are other songs that aren't on the album. I guess it's a must for diehard Who fans. :p

robo2448 07-31-2005 05:33 PM

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]I just found Quadrophenia in my garage, which never seems to stop revealing album after album[/QUOTE]

I wish I had a garage like that.

Lunch 07-31-2005 05:34 PM

The garage that permantly replenishes albums.

drugstore cowboy 07-31-2005 05:40 PM

[QUOTE=Lunch]The garage that permantly replenishes albums.[/QUOTE]

Not just any albums, but classic vinyl albums.

The Who on vinyl > Who on CD.

robo2448 07-31-2005 06:36 PM

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]Not just any albums, but classic vinyl albums.

The Who on vinyl > Who on CD.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't know :upset:

drugstore cowboy 07-31-2005 08:53 PM

[QUOTE=robo2448]I wouldn't know :upset:[/QUOTE]

That's rough, man, rough. I have Tommy, My Generation, and Meaty, Beaty, Big and Bouncy on vinyl. Tommy on vinyl is orgasmic.

born2drum 07-31-2005 08:54 PM

keith moon is god

rockinbass17 07-31-2005 10:14 PM

I actually have the soundrack from the movie on vinyl. Elton John sounds like he played his part really well. I also really dig the father's deep voice.

JohnXDoesn't 07-31-2005 10:21 PM

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]That's rough, man, rough. I have Tommy, My Generation, and Meaty, Beaty, Big and Bouncy on vinyl. Tommy on vinyl is orgasmic.[/QUOTE]

Wow! A vinyl discussion. I have The Who Sing My Generation, Tommy, Live at Leeds,(complete with fake tour documents) Who's Next (two of those), Qradrophenia (a 25 year old CBS label Japenese import) The Who By Numbers, Who Are You, Face Dances, It's Hard, Who's Last, and Townshends first three early eighties solo albums all on vinyl. And in pretty good shape, all.

[SIZE=5]ENVY ME![/SIZE] :p

pigonthewing82 07-31-2005 10:27 PM

You know what Who song has really grown on me, Behind Blue Eyes. I just love that line "And my dreams they arn't as empty as my consciance seems to be" is just great.

Seafroggys 08-01-2005 12:54 AM

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]It's a very bizarre movie, but I guess that's what you'd have to expect after hearing the album. Some good cameos by Elton John, Eric Clapton, Tina Turner, and the rest of the Who, as Roger plays Tommy.

It continues on after "Listening to you..." and there are other songs that aren't on the album. I guess it's a must for diehard Who fans. :p[/QUOTE]

I saw that movie a year ago, and I wasn't familiar with any of the music. I still haven't heard the album. I need to get the album and watch the movie again so I can appreciate it more.

Lunch 08-01-2005 09:12 AM

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]Wow! A vinyl discussion. I have The Who Sing My Generation, Tommy, Live at Leeds,(complete with fake tour documents) Who's Next (two of those), Qradrophenia (a 25 year old CBS label Japenese import) The Who By Numbers, Who Are You, Face Dances, It's Hard, Who's Last, and Townshends first three early eighties solo albums all on vinyl. And in pretty good shape, all.

[SIZE=5]ENVY ME![/SIZE] :p[/QUOTE]

Oh I do. I/my dad has The Who Sings My Generation, A Quick One/Sell Out (he has the version where MCA released it later packaged as one album), Tommy, and Live at Leeds. He doesn't care much for the later Who, so I didn't expect him to have had more than that.

I'm about to drive about two hours to visit my friend's apartment, and I'm feeling a Who marathon for the trip.

JohnXDoesn't 08-01-2005 12:54 PM

[QUOTE=Lunch]Oh I do. I/my dad has The Who Sings My Generation, A Quick One/Sell Out (he has the version where MCA released it later packaged as one album), Tommy, and Live at Leeds. He doesn't care much for the later Who, so I didn't expect him to have had more than that.

I'm about to drive about two hours to visit my friend's apartment, and I'm feeling a Who marathon for the trip.[/QUOTE]

I like your new avatar. Old school, indeed. :cool:

born2drum 08-01-2005 01:08 PM

I love The Who like they own, and I've noticed that after listening to some greenday and offspring and other bands, many of there lyrics and shows have quotes from The Who like "deaf, blind, and dumb" and g-g-generation and stuff, just shows how much bands respect them and stuff. Does anybody have The Kids Are Alright, the movie from the who that thing is gold its on dvd.

drugstore cowboy 08-01-2005 08:37 PM

[QUOTE=JohnXDoe]Wow! A vinyl discussion. I have The Who Sing My Generation, Tommy, Live at Leeds,(complete with fake tour documents) Who's Next (two of those), Qradrophenia (a 25 year old CBS label Japenese import) The Who By Numbers, Who Are You, Face Dances, It's Hard, Who's Last, and Townshends first three early eighties solo albums all on vinyl. And in pretty good shape, all.

[SIZE=5]ENVY ME![/SIZE] :p[/QUOTE]

Da[i]m[/i]n. You win. But that would only be the most stripped down version of Live at Leeds, right? Still, that's an amazing Who collection of records.

zekterellium 08-01-2005 08:40 PM

amazing band. good write up, dude,

JohnXDoesn't 08-01-2005 08:45 PM

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]Da[i]m[/i]n. You win. But that would only be the most stripped down version of Live at Leeds, right? Still, that's an amazing Who collection of records.[/QUOTE]

I forgot to mention The Kid's Are Alright soundtrack and The Concerts For The People Of Kampuchea, as well. :p

The Who have an entire side on the latter. Good performance, too. Oh, and yes. It is the single disc version of Live At Leeds.

EDIT: I also have Pete Townshend: Live At Deep End on vinyl. I only have around 400 vinyl albums, so I don't know how I forget these things? I guess it's because I hardly ever listen to them. :rolleyes:

Lunch 08-02-2005 07:51 PM

Wow, only 400 albums. How unlucky you are.

(Sarcasm)

Riva 08-02-2005 07:59 PM

Lunch, would you recommend I purchase Live at Leeds? Also, get your lunch998 account merged with Lunch, so you can get credited properly for this FA. ;)

Lunch 08-02-2005 08:01 PM

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Lunch, would you recommend I purchase Live at Leeds? Also, get your lunch998 account merged with Lunch, so you can get credited properly for this FA. ;)[/QUOTE]

Purchase it right now at all costs. There's no two ways about it. I highly recommend the deluxe edition (though it won't come cheap) because you get almost all of Tommy performed on disc 2 in addition to the already fantastic disc 1. Of course I love Tommy so it was essential for me, it might not be for you.

And Jim just edited this account to my old postcount/join date, I sill have access to lunch998 with 6,000+ posts on it. So I can't really get a merge.

JohnXDoesn't 08-02-2005 08:01 PM

[QUOTE=Lunch]Wow, only 400 albums. How unlucky you are.

(Sarcasm)[/QUOTE]

:wave:

Eh, it really isn't that many. Looking at them they don't stretch very far. Hope your visit went well and The Who rocked you the whole way there. And back, as well.

robo2448 08-02-2005 08:07 PM

[QUOTE=Lunch]Purchase it right now at all costs. There's no two ways about it. I highly recommend the deluxe edition (though it won't come cheap) because you get almost all of Tommy performed on disc 2 in addition to the already fantastic disc 1. Of course I love Tommy so it was essential for me, it might not be for you.

And Jim just edited this account to my old postcount/join date, I sill have access to lunch998 with 6,000+ posts on it. So I can't really get a merge.[/QUOTE]

Definitely fork over the extra cash for the deluxe edition if you can.

Lunch 08-02-2005 08:08 PM

Probably the best $30 I ever spent.

drugstore cowboy 08-02-2005 08:09 PM

I think this thread says alot about Who fans on this board compared to, say, Led Zeppelin, or Tool fans. We're a minority. We being diehard and semi diehard Who fans anyways, and not just casual listeners.

It just goes to show that for a majority of the time they were together, they were an underground, cult favourite type band. Not to a huge extent, but they still were. It was only when they started playing big arena rock (when Keith Moon got a second row of toms in front of the first) that they drew the huge audiences.

Riva 08-02-2005 08:09 PM

[QUOTE=Lunch]Purchase it right now at all costs. There's no two ways about it. I highly recommend the deluxe edition (though it won't come cheap) because you get almost all of Tommy performed on disc 2 in addition to the already fantastic disc 1. Of course I love Tommy so it was essential for me, it might not be for you. [/quote]

Hehe, first Who album I bought was Tommy. ;)

[quote=Lunch]
And Jim just edited this account to my old postcount/join date, I sill have access to lunch998 with 6,000+ posts on it. So I can't really get a merge.[/QUOTE]

Get a merge. You've got the street cred to do so.

Lunch 08-02-2005 08:10 PM

Tommy....*creams thinking about it*

Ha, a merge would give me around 13,000 posts (6,000 of which I wouldn't have earned).

JohnXDoesn't 08-02-2005 08:18 PM

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]I think this thread says alot about Who fans on this board compared to, say, Led Zeppelin, or Tool fans. We're a minority. We being diehard and semi diehard Who fans anyways, and not just casual listeners.

It just goes to show that for a majority of the time they were together, they were an underground, cult favourite type band. Not to a huge extent, but they still were. It was only when they started playing big arena rock (when Keith Moon got a second row of toms in front of the first) that they drew the huge audiences.[/QUOTE]

The Who were always the underdogs of arena rock bands. No blistering solo's, drum, guitar, or otherwise. No pretty boy posturing or look at me we are so cool posing. No flash, no trends ('cept for Roger) and no BS. Almost no pretention. And when they did drift that way, they pulled it off in gramd artistic fashion. They simply plugged in, turned it up, and kicked a[COLOR=WHITE]ss[/COLOR]. There music is fresh and vital even today, and they still influence and inspire a great many. With The Who, what you see and hear is what you get. No more and certainly no less.

Lunch 08-02-2005 08:21 PM

That's always been one of the cooler things about them. They never had glamour in rock and the didn't have a pretty face in the group, so they had to make up for that by forging a new path in rock music, one of frustration, destruction, and volume. Even later Roger was still no pretty boy though he had much wider appeal. Pure energy and great music, and like John said no more or less.


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