It certainly did. After all, Herc was spinning James Brown and other funk artists.

I would say there is a real coherent musical evolution when it comes to hip hop. That's the beauty of it.

I like some rap ub tnot most of it. The biggest thing that bugs me about them is that they and others refer to them and themselves as artists. If they were artists of music than thats all they would do instead of sticking there fingers in everyting i.e making a clothing line, starting TV shows, being in the soft drink industry (crunk juice) like all that **** then they refer to themselves as artists? what do they really do they tlak aobut the hoe they ****ed then cut last night , and going to a whore ouse (candy Shop) i personally think its really stupid and gay. But i can give props to old school hip hop like a lot of that stuff is good lik The Chronic, beastie Boys, Sugar HIll gang. but tahts really it

[QUOTE=SlashHalen]I like some rap ub tnot most of it. The biggest thing that bugs me about them is that they and others refer to them and themselves as artists. If they were artists of music than thats all they would do instead of sticking there fingers in everyting i.e making a clothing line, starting TV shows, being in the soft drink industry (crunk juice) like all that **** then they refer to themselves as artists? what do they really do they tlak aobut the hoe they ****ed then cut last night , and going to a whore ouse (candy Shop) i personally think its really stupid and gay. But i can give props to old school hip hop like a lot of that stuff is good lik The Chronic, beastie Boys, Sugar HIll gang. but tahts really it[/QUOTE]

Stop talking.

i want to say this. im a black male from portsmouth, va - the hood, if you want to call it that. now, i listen to a little bit of the nu metal for when i do stuff like lift weights, i have an open mind. now what you people who make these broad generalizations about what you see on mtv and hear on the radio fail to realize is that you are just getting the tip of the iceberg.

alot of rap is just rock and roll from a different perspective. lil jon and the eastside boys for example, listen to it. its headbangers music, just from "our" point of view. from "our" culture. thats what we know, and its how we express ourselves.

dont forget about RAP BANDS like- the roots, who are POETS with thier OWN LIVE BAND...not just musical instruments on a computer. with rock artists recording in acoustic studios with all these man made variables, they might as well do it on the computer.....

and why not delve into other ventures like commercials, clothing lines, etc etc etc? Sean John is a $400 MILLION dollar business, it seems like perfect business sense to me. money is out there to be made, why not make it!?

this is a conversation which will never have an end in the near future, i just came by to let you allknow what was on my mind at this particular time.

[QUOTE]dont forget about RAP BANDS like- the roots, who are POETS with thier OWN LIVE BAND...not just musical instruments on a computer[/QUOTE]

Dont forget Tu Pac, he is the ultimate diamond in the rough..or was the ultimate diamond in the rough, all the good rappers seem to die before their time.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]Kosta: I'd like to think funk had some influence on rap.[/QUOTE]


Because DJ Kool Herc accidently left his reggae collection in Jamaica - no joke.

I was mainly talking about production technique here, considering that's what set hip-hop apart from other music early on.

This thread is amazing. I just went through each and every page and checked out so many of those artists. Right in the middle of r&m. hehe. Thanks a million.
Whats scary is that I havent heard of half these artists who, for the most part, make better music than most of the rap and hardcore etc thats famous. Mommy, its true, there is an underground.
/thwacks self on head and walks out of thread

[QUOTE=ReadBooks]alot of rap is just rock and roll from a different perspective. lil jon and the eastside boys for example, listen to it. its headbangers music, just from "our" point of view. from "our" culture. thats what we know, and its how we express ourselves. [/QUOTE]
You should have used DMX as the example. :)

Whats the difference between West side, East side, and Gangster Rap, anyway?

West side is rap made on the West coast. East side is the opposite, obviously.

And from allmusic -

Gangsta rap developed in the late '80s. Evolving out of hardcore rap, gangsta rap had an edgy, noisy sound. Lyrically, it was just as abrasive, as the rappers spun profane, gritty tales about urban crime. Sometimes the lyrics were an accurate reflection of reality; other times, they were exaggerated comic book stories. Either way, it became the most commercially successful form of hip-hop in the late '80s and early '90s. In the process, gangsta rap caused considerable controversy, as conservative organizations tried to get the albums banned. Even when the activist groups forced certain bands off major labels, the groups continued to make their music uncensored.

[QUOTE=Mystique7]Whats the difference between West side, East side, and Gangster Rap, anyway?[/QUOTE]


The place it came from. Besides, most west coast rap has more of a p-funk influence to it. But, that all started with EPMD on the East, ironically.

Gangster rap is about gangster life, pretty much.

East Coast rap started out as pretty harmless stuff--Run-DMC, the Beasties, Biz Markie, etc. The king of East Coast was Russell Simmons and Def Jam. Then later on it moved into Gangsta Rap in the 90's with Biggie Smalls, Jay-Z, Nas, Wu-Tang Clan, DMX, etc.

West Coast rap came Straight Outta Compton (yuk yuk yuk)--it was far angrier and more abrasive (signature West Coast rap: NWA, Ice-T); West Coast rap evolved into G-Funk in the 90's with the creation of Death Row records and the release of Dr. Dre's The Chronic.

some of the ppl who listen to rap drive me to hate it

[QUOTE=metalhead 4 good]some of the ppl who listen to rap drive me to hate it[/QUOTE]

Funny, I hold the same opinion of metal.

Can't spell crap without rap. :)

[QUOTE=SmashingPumpkin]Can't spell crap without rap. :)[/QUOTE]

Not funny

the links won't work for me...

[QUOTE=the thing that should never be]the links won't work for me...[/QUOTE]
They must have had 25 downloads already (or it's been a week, but I'm too lazy to check the first page).

Just download the titles from an alternate source, they're worth it.

[QUOTE=SmashingPumpkin]Can't spell crap without rap. :)[/QUOTE]

Survey says...

[b]you're a fag[/b]

illmatic=an awesome album *plays 'world is yours'*

[QUOTE=Illmatic]East Coast rap started out as pretty harmless stuff--Run-DMC, the Beasties, Biz Markie, etc. The king of East Coast was Russell Simmons and Def Jam. Then later on it moved into Gangsta Rap in the 90's with Biggie Smalls, Jay-Z, Nas, Wu-Tang Clan, DMX, etc.

West Coast rap came Straight Outta Compton (yuk yuk yuk)--it was far angrier and more abrasive (signature West Coast rap: NWA, Ice-T); West Coast rap evolved into G-Funk in the 90's with the creation of Death Row records and the release of Dr. Dre's The Chronic.[/QUOTE]


West Coast rap came from Compton but wasn't angry. It started in the early '80s by the likes of the Egyptian Lover and The World Class Wreckin' Cru. It was electro-funk, a techno'ish hip-hop for people to dance to. The first form of gangster rap came from the East, too. Schoolly D actually started it. But, the first true gangster rap song was 6 In The Mornin' by Ice-T. And both Ice-T and NWA had completely different sounds. NWA was A LOT more P-funk inluenced. And underground West coast stuff (Pharcyde, Alkaholiks, Blackalicious, Freestyle Fellowship, Souls Of Mischief) had much more in common with the jazzy hip-hop from the East, than the West Coast funk from the West.

And East Coast started with block parties. Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash And The Furious Five, Afrika Bambaata, etc. I'm surprised you didn't list Kurtis Blow. Run-DMC, Krs, Beasties, etc. Are more of a second wave, really. Also, Wu-Tang isn't gangster but hardcore rap.

[QUOTE=SmashingPumpkin]Can't spell crap without rap. :)[/QUOTE]


OMFGLOLROTFLMFAOBBQ

lolz and u cant spell metal without ETA. LOLZ i guess iron maiden R terroristsz.

Has anyone got any Geto Boys songs on their comps. Preferably Crooked Officer. I lost my 'Till Death Do Us Part' album agessss ago. Anyone a fan of Scarface's solo stuff? I love The Diary, but the rest is a bit on and off.

NP: Roots Manuva - Evil Rabbit

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]Has anyone got any Geto Boys songs on their comps. Preferably Crooked Officer. I lost my 'Till Death Do Us Part' album agessss ago. Anyone a fan of Scarface's solo stuff? I love The Diary, but the rest is a bit on and off.[/QUOTE]

I haven't listened to the Geto Boys in aaaages. Pretty good stuff, though.

All of this rap thread and no one uploaded a public enemy or NWA album?


/knows that someone probably did, but doesn't want to go back and read through the whole thread, but still hints at what he wants uploaded anyway

[QUOTE=Ska_Pirate]All of this rap thread and no one uploaded a public enemy or NWA album?


/knows that someone probably did, but doesn't want to go back and read through the whole thread, but still hints at what he wants uploaded anyway[/QUOTE]


That's like uploading Metallica in a metal thread. Everyone knows those guys.

I know. But I don't want to go out and buy any cds for another month or two because I'm saving up for a bass I really want

Then use alternate sources to get the songs.

i dont get how raps R&M

[QUOTE=the_midnight_rambler]i dont get how raps R&M[/QUOTE]
Read the thread, issue has been addressed.

[QUOTE=the_midnight_rambler]i dont get how raps R&M[/QUOTE]
Seriously? Wow.

The only rap I'll listen to is MC Hawking. "All my shooting's be... drivebys" What a genius

[QUOTE=the_midnight_rambler]i dont get how raps R&M[/QUOTE]
The R in R&M stands for Rap, didn't you know? :confused:

Outkast are the new de la soul imo.

Reinvigorating hip hop and giving it a second wind. Also New Zealander Scribe is pretty good for some new stuff.

[url]http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1EM2OA8ZT02DH2GIDMWFPYB0OC[/url]

Handsome Boy Modeling School - White People

A great album.

I like HBMS.

What do people think of DJ Premier? Just heard the name dropped.

DJ Premier is awesome, one of the best producers of the 90's.

the roots are my favorite rap next to outkast :thumb:, along with old school and political rap(when rap wasn't always about the same generic topics, getting as[B]s[/B], the ghetto, and all that other bs) and the only new rap I like is probably the gorillaz.

[QUOTE=Ska_Pirate]I know. But I don't want to go out and buy any cds for another month or two because I'm saving up for a bass I really want[/QUOTE]

i have "Straight outta compton" if you really want

AIM: hafez06

I think that UK rap should be mentioned as I think bands such as The Streets have amazing lyrical talents and go beyond what most people think of rap. I would highly recommend downloading "dry your eyes mate" or "blinded by light" for anyone who enjoys good music