[QUOTE=TheNowhereman42]next time I'm at my dads, which'll be in a day or two, I'll email stuck punk the LoC version of infested, and Twat the Rock the 40oz video

and to stuckpunk, CV didn't do a version of Rock the 40oz, LoC just did two versions of it.[/QUOTE]

cheers

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]This band reminds me of a line out of Empire Records. ''Shock me shock me shock me with that deviant behavior''. I downloaded a bunch of their stuff and really tried to listen to it with an open mind, but it seems like this band needs to concentrate on making better music rather than coming up with shocking, ''look how punk we are'' album covers and titles. Im all for freedom of speach, and im definitly no fan of G Dubya, but there is making a point, and then there is going way to far. When the moron who wrote the band profile for LOC says, they took a different view, understanding why it happened, and didnt cry like the rest of NY, it just shows how ignorant some people can be. Contrary to popular world belief, our government does not represent ALL of us. Perhaps those people were crying because they lost innocent family members who had nothing to do with anything. Seriousley, make a point, but show some respect, and stop trying to prove how punk rock you are.[/QUOTE]
eat it. you're just upset because they see what's behind 9-11 and you don't. or maybe you're too dumb to know the difference, and you think you're being sympathetic. nobody cries when we train terrorists around the world. south america, africa, asia, the middle east, they're full of people we trained to slit children's throats and throw babies out of helicopters, and you get sad when people strike back at us? get a grip.

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]eat it. you're just upset because they see what's behind 9-11 and you don't. or maybe you're too dumb to know the difference, and you think you're being sympathetic. nobody cries when we train terrorists around the world. south america, africa, asia, the middle east, they're full of people we trained to slit children's throats and throw babies out of helicopters, and you get sad when people strike back at us? get a grip.[/QUOTE]
No, I do see the difference, and i think its awful what our government does to people around the world in the name of democracy. What I am concerned about here is the exploitation of innocent people for the purposes of an album cover. Beleive me, if the world trade centers were full of politicians and war masterminds, by all means bomb the crap out of it, however thats not the way it was. Nothing is black and white cheeser, not everyone in those buildings were evil government warheads, innocent people got killed, and that is what im concerned with here.

I don't agree with LoC's controversy-seeking antics but you can't say that they exploited 9/11 any more than the American government did.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]I don't agree with LoC's controversy-seeking antics but you can't say that they exploited 9/11 any more than the American government did.[/QUOTE]
I will agree with you that 9/11 was exploited in the media for the purposes of a war that shouldent have happened, but that still dosent make it right, or make LOC any less guilty because the government did it too. They should have tried to be bigger than that. Say what you want, but they knew that an album cover like that would cause controversy, contrversy=attention, which generates more sales. Exploiting the innocent dead for the purposes of an album, sorry but it dosent sit well with me, even if i do agree with thier stance on the war and our government.

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]No, I do see the difference, and i think its awful what our government does to people around the world in the name of democracy. What I am concerned about here is the exploitation of innocent people for the purposes of an album cover. Beleive me, if the world trade centers were full of politicians and war masterminds, by all means bomb the crap out of it, however thats not the way it was. Nothing is black and white cheeser, not everyone in those buildings were evil government warheads, innocent people got killed, and that is what im concerned with here.[/QUOTE]

They didn't exploit anyone. You say things aren't black and white, but think about this: How many ways are you considering their music? I think you said one sentence about their music and then you just started to talk about their cover art and 9/11. You're only looking at this in black and white. "They want attention so they made a cover." It's not just that. On cover art also says "Blood for Oil". The cover art is a satire of Bush, Cheny and NY former mayor. They didn't have pictures of people in the street or people jumping out of the buildings. It wasn't saying "Haha, look at all these thousands of people!". It wasn't exploiting them. And who really cares if innocent people died? Seriously- Innocent people die every second. By the time you finish reading this post, a couple of innocent people will have died. Innocent children in another country will have starved to death, and I don't really think you care about that. WTC was full of other people who didn't care either, and yeah, there were some blue collar janitors in there. Too bad. People die. That is life. You're born, you die. On that album there is a song called "Soon We'll be dead" about remembering the good times. Maybe, if we look in the grey area that you're skipping- Songs like that, because there is more than 1 on this album, are for the innocent people who died? Did you ever consider that? No. You just assumed they were all about the attention.

"make LOC any less guilty because the government did it too. They should have tried to be bigger than that. Say what you want, but they knew that an album cover like that would cause controversy, contrversy=attention, which generates more sales. Exploiting the innocent dead for the purposes of an album, sorry but it dosent sit well with me, even if i do agree with thier stance on the war and our government."

Bigger than what? Bigger than saying "This happened"? Because it did happen. You can try and deny it if you want. It happened and you shouldn't be scared to look at it. It's people like you who probably want to take certain things out of history books too, because you don't like it. And obviously they don't really care about sales. If they did, they'd probably generate music that could make it in the mainstream and not do things like that which made chain stores say "We will not sell your album." They got very little press over that cover art, and they weren't allowed to sell it in big stores. Maybe you're wrong about how you're going at this?

And what does you mean, "exploiting the innocent dead"? Are you suggesting that every person killed on 9/11 was innocent? Because I assure you, they weren't.

And don't assume that you agree with them on the government. Even they say it doesn't matter if Bush or Kerry got elected. Things are the same either way. Don't group them with the "left" because they hate dicks like you just as much as the "right".

Try to be a person and think for yourself every now and then and not just agree that they did it for attention.

Have you considered that maybe they did do it for attention, and to be controvercial? Most of the time on this forum, people aren't agreeing with others, it's their own, formed opinion.

[QUOTE=Skrunnch 3]Have you considered that maybe they did do it for attention, and to be controvercial? Most of the time on this forum, people aren't agreeing with others, it's their own, formed opinion.[/QUOTE]

Yes. I did.
Then I listened to the album.

And most the time, someone just agrees, like you. "The casualties suxxx". "LoC just does it for attentionnnxz".

They make good music. They stick to their beliefs.

Their whole center is to make political music in such a way it garners attention through offending people and throwing truth in people's face so much it is pushing the lines.

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]Yes. I did.
Then I listened to the album.

And most the time, someone just agrees, like you. "The casualties suxxx". "LoC just does it for attentionnnxz".

They make good music. They stick to their beliefs.[/QUOTE]


I love the extra letters you put while quoting me. Good job at making me look bad.

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]They stick to their beliefs.[/QUOTE]
What exactly are these beliefs?

I think to say that LoC are exploiting the victims of 9/11 is a bit of a misunderstanding of where they're coming from. The cover of FWT shows Cheney, Bush and Giuliani puppeteering the attacks on the towers. I can see how people would be offended by that, and it's understandable, but how does making that statement qualify exploitation of innocent victims? I think what people who think that way should understand about Leftover Crack, and the whole CRS7, for that matter is they have always had an uncouth and crass way of bluntly telling their audience how they feel. It isn't as if soon come 9/11, LoC started writing songs about anti-capitalist greed and cop killing for the sake of pissing people off; they have [B]always[/B] wrote songs regarding these topics, in spite of the political or social climate.

Now, if they had not addressed these issues in their past and all of a sudden started spouting uncharacteristically outspoken and vile flame fodder I would be more inclined to think they were just jerks trying to profit off of other people's pain; but they didn't change one bit, they just had something else to chalk up to what they believe is a problem caused by overzealous multinational corporations and trade.

Besides, I highly doubt their album sales were boosted by using this image. They've been banned from several record stores (independent and chains), plenty of venues across NYC and the rest of the country. Most people are so touchy over the 9/11 thing they wouldn't dream of supporting a band that had such an image on it's album cover, so they immediately limited their potential buyers market.

Lastly, and this is probably my least valid point (but I think it's still worthy of mention, myself being from Brooklyn), LoC are from NYC, and I can tell you there are [I]plenty[/I] of New Yorkers who aren't so uptight and have their panties in a bunch over 9/11. I think a lot of it stems from a feeling that the average person from NYC who is very much a low income blue collar worker that had nothing to do with the towers or world trade in general became automatically pidgeon-holed as a victim on 9/12, and all of a sudden you've got the whole country offering condolences and trying to connect to this tragedy as if it happened in "their" backyard. I guess what I'm trying to say is that lots of the city folk got tired of being used, first by the bombers, then by the media, then by the government, all in the name of something they were immediately associated with but really were absolutely unconnected and priorly unsympathetic to, so a lot of us are more openly against a lot of what's being said and done in our name. And again, it isn't just on the 9/11 issue, it's a lot of things that the CRS7 talk about (like cops, some New Yorkers love em while some hate em) and when it comes to LoC, they make it known clearly what they think to spread the word that it's ok to be vehemently against what is socially acceptable, because in the end it leads to a death of ideas and everyone will start to just blindly follow the most impressive leader.

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]They didn't exploit anyone. You say things aren't black and white, but think about this: How many ways are you considering their music? I think you said one sentence about their music and then you just started to talk about their cover art and 9/11. You're only looking at this in black and white. "They want attention so they made a cover." It's not just that. On cover art also says "Blood for Oil". The cover art is a satire of Bush, Cheny and NY former mayor. They didn't have pictures of people in the street or people jumping out of the buildings. It wasn't saying "Haha, look at all these thousands of people!". It wasn't exploiting them. And who really cares if innocent people died? Seriously- Innocent people die every second. By the time you finish reading this post, a couple of innocent people will have died. Innocent children in another country will have starved to death, and I don't really think you care about that. WTC was full of other people who didn't care either, and yeah, there were some blue collar janitors in there. Too bad. People die. That is life. You're born, you die. On that album there is a song called "Soon We'll be dead" about remembering the good times. Maybe, if we look in the grey area that you're skipping- Songs like that, because there is more than 1 on this album, are for the innocent people who died? Did you ever consider that? No. You just assumed they were all about the attention.

"make LOC any less guilty because the government did it too. They should have tried to be bigger than that. Say what you want, but they knew that an album cover like that would cause controversy, contrversy=attention, which generates more sales. Exploiting the innocent dead for the purposes of an album, sorry but it dosent sit well with me, even if i do agree with thier stance on the war and our government."

Bigger than what? Bigger than saying "This happened"? Because it did happen. You can try and deny it if you want. It happened and you shouldn't be scared to look at it. It's people like you who probably want to take certain things out of history books too, because you don't like it. And obviously they don't really care about sales. If they did, they'd probably generate music that could make it in the mainstream and not do things like that which made chain stores say "We will not sell your album." They got very little press over that cover art, and they weren't allowed to sell it in big stores. Maybe you're wrong about how you're going at this?

And what does you mean, "exploiting the innocent dead"? Are you suggesting that every person killed on 9/11 was innocent? Because I assure you, they weren't.

And don't assume that you agree with them on the government. Even they say it doesn't matter if Bush or Kerry got elected. Things are the same either way. Don't group them with the "left" because they hate dicks like you just as much as the "right".

Try to be a person and think for yourself every now and then and not just agree that they did it for attention.[/QUOTE]

Innocent people died, who cares? You certinley a sick human being. When someone said to me that they didnt exploit 9/11 anymore than the government, what i was saying is that they should have tried to be better than the government that they are saying is so bad, and not exploit peoples pain. Sorry, but using someone elses pain for you're own purposes is exploitation, not everyone there was innocent, plenty of pepole were though. The day a band puts out a CD showing a stelth bomber bombing a village in Iraq, i will have the same argument. Im not even only talking about LOC, correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the cover art of a Choking Victim CD a dude hanging with a buch of upsidedown crusifixes? Attention attention, look at me look at me. Im sorry, but its this trying way to hard, over the top BS that turns me off. If i thought their music was good, as much as it would pain me, i would admit it. As far as me wanting things I dont like out of history books, calling me a dick, blah blah blah, lets try to have an adult argument. Personally, I dont even think that their CD should be banned anywhere, im completely against cencorship, it should be sold anywhere and everywhere, however, it dosent mean i agree with it. How many ways am i considering thier music? Thats easy, im considering weather or not i think it sucks. Personally i dont like it, but im not telling you what to listen to, if you think its good, great for you, im happy for you.

3qtzDrunk For Noob Of The Month!

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]Innocent people died, who cares? You certinley a sick human being. When someone said to me that they didnt exploit 9/11 anymore than the government, what i was saying is that they should have tried to be better than the government that they are saying is so bad, and not exploit peoples pain. Sorry, but using someone elses pain for you're own purposes is exploitation, not everyone there was innocent, plenty of pepole were though. The day a band puts out a CD showing a stelth bomber bombing a village in Iraq, i will have the same argument. Im not even only talking about LOC, correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the cover art of a Choking Victim CD a dude hanging with a buch of upsidedown crusifixes? Attention attention, look at me look at me. Im sorry, but its this trying way to hard, over the top BS that turns me off. If i thought their music was good, as much as it would pain me, i would admit it. As far as me wanting things I dont like out of history books, calling me a dick, blah blah blah, lets try to have an adult argument. Personally, I dont even think that their CD should be banned anywhere, im completely against cencorship, it should be sold anywhere and everywhere, however, it dosent mean i agree with it. How many ways am i considering thier music? Thats easy, im considering weather or not i think it sucks. Personally i dont like it, but im not telling you what to listen to, if you think its good, great for you, im happy for you.[/QUOTE]I agree with you totally about their attention-seeking lyrics, persona etc. Their self-mythologising is just as bad. But I still like their music.

[QUOTE=ihateblacksjewsandmexicans]I heard that LC left hell-cat records on some bad terms and then they made fun of rancid on their new album. So did they get into a fight or something? Because Tim and Brett really helped them out. I just wanna know if anyone knows.[/QUOTE]

They Left Hellcat records because they didn't want lc's new album **** world trade to release
ok?

[QUOTE=Brain Squirmin' Like a Toad]Their whole center is to make political music in such a way it garners attention through offending people and throwing [b][u]truth[/u][/b] in people's face so much it is pushing the lines.[/QUOTE]
i rest my fuc[i]k[/i]ing case. i don't care what people say about their image, or how they convey their message, etc etc, blah blah blah, boo hoo hoo.


to the whiney kid:
they aren't running around offending people by stabbing old ladies. they aren't beating up black kids and burning crosses. they aren't blowing up children with car bombs. they're fuc[i]k[/i]ing musicians, and they're getting across the fuc[i]k[/i]ing truth, important things that most people don't care enough to notice, and you'll sit there and say "oh, but i do notice, i see the truth" and then stick your thumb up your as[i]s[/i] while 99.999% of this country isn't as enlightened as little old you. and that helps how? what good is that? you've got it figured out, therefore this offensiveness is unncessary? and who are you to judge art? are you an art critic? are you a musical prodigy? do you design album covers for a living? and even if so, nothing could qualify you to make the judgements you're making. get a life. if you can't handle the truth, buy your albums at stores that censor the artists. they're the best kinds of stores because they barely pay minumum wage and hire full-timers at 28 hours per week. oh i'm sorry, was that harsh dose of truth too much for your sad little ears?

[QUOTE=a7x ChapterFour]They Left Hellcat records because they didn't want lc's new album **** world trade to release
ok?[/QUOTE]


huh? :eek:

[QUOTE=skankinOstrich]huh? :eek:[/QUOTE]
leftover crack's release of mediocre generica on hellcat was censored, to some degree, by tim armstrong and the other people in charge of the label (a bad decision on their part). he didn't want the columbine shooter stuff in there, not as much of it, and some of the cover art and what not. that's why they split and put out fuc[i]k[/i] world trade on alternative tentacles.

Yeah, and wasn't medocre generica originally titled Shoot The Kids, or did i just make that up?

[QUOTE=Twat_Out_Of_Hell]Yeah, and wasn't medocre generica originally titled Shoot The Kids, or did i just make that up?[/QUOTE]

Yeah it was orginally called Shoot the Kids at School.

i thought it was shoot the kids up with heroin. :p

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]i rest my fuc[i]k[/i]ing case. i don't care what people say about their image, or how they convey their message, etc etc, blah blah blah, boo hoo hoo.


to the whiney kid:
they aren't running around offending people by stabbing old ladies. they aren't beating up black kids and burning crosses. they aren't blowing up children with car bombs. they're fuc[i]k[/i]ing musicians, and they're getting across the fuc[i]k[/i]ing truth, important things that most people don't care enough to notice, and you'll sit there and say "oh, but i do notice, i see the truth" and then stick your thumb up your as[i]s[/i] while 99.999% of this country isn't as enlightened as little old you. and that helps how? what good is that? you've got it figured out, therefore this offensiveness is unncessary? and who are you to judge art? are you an art critic? are you a musical prodigy? do you design album covers for a living? and even if so, nothing could qualify you to make the judgements you're making. get a life. if you can't handle the truth, buy your albums at stores that censor the artists. they're the best kinds of stores because they barely pay minumum wage and hire full-timers at 28 hours per week. oh i'm sorry, was that harsh dose of truth too much for your sad little ears?[/QUOTE]
Well gee wiz there cheeser, i guess i owe you an apology. For some stupid reason, i got the impression that these forums were here for people to express their opinions, but i guess i was wrong. Now that i realize this, why dont we all skip and frolic hand in hand to a nearby sunny medow and have a frank discussion about the greatness of the band Yellowcard.
Are you frigging serious, do you know how much of a complete moron you made yourself look like? Am i a critic? YES!!! In here, EVERYONE is a critic! That is the whole point of this place. You sit there and accuse me of not being able to handle the truth when thats not even the point im trying to make, and yet you get all teary eyed when someone critizes a band you like. If you had taken the time to actually read instead of spouting insults, you would have see that part where i said that i am against censorship, but that dosent mean i agree with it. But you are obviousley an all or nothing kind of person who cant appreciate why people might not agree with their choice of album covers, so i cannot possibly relate to you. Sketchyjoe on the other hand, that is the kind of person i can completely relate to. He agrees that he dosnet like thier over the top attention seeking antics, but that dosent stop him from listening to music he enjoys. And its not as if im making an outlandish unreasonable argment cheeser, for as many people there are like you who think my argument is stupid, there seems to be an equal amount of people here who agree, even some of thier fans. The only thing i know is that this place is specificly designed for people voicing opinions, some of us do it the right way, with maturity, backing up thier argument with reasonable statements. And then there are poeple like you, who feel the need to insult and make fools of themselves. I do have to remind myself however after looking at the poster profile thread that the average age of the people in here is about mid teenager. Well, i guess with pubes comes maturity, dont worry cheeser, someday you too will sprout a wonderful bush, then maybe we can have this discussion.

3qtzDrunk- First off, you're not being nearly as reasonable as you're claiming you are. And you're not a critic. You're a teenager living in your mothers basement, more than likely.

But to avoid a fight, how about this: How are they exploiting innocent people? Tell me exactly. I do not understand. How are they doing everything just for attention and no other purpose? Tell me exactly.

Don't say anything if it doesn't apply to those two questions.

There are definitely, not necessarily punks that are attention seeking, but bands that want to be labeled punks immediately.

So they make an album in stencil font saying "BAND NAME - F'UCK THE GOV'T" and every single song HAS to be about politics with political titles or else they may be considered posers.

It's not attention-seeking, it's more trying to fit in to category they want to be, or associated with the same bands.

It's trendy, but it's what they want. Atleast they're sending a positive, and truthful message and their sincerity and genuity will show up later, if they deserve it.

[QUOTE=Anti-Prefix]There are definitely, not necessarily punks that are attention seeking, but bands that want to be labeled punks immediately.

So they make an album in stencil font saying "BAND NAME - F'UCK THE GOV'T" and every single song HAS to be about politics with political titles or else they may be considered posers.

It's not attention-seeking, it's more trying to fit in to category they want to be, or associated with the same bands.

It's trendy, but it's what they want. Atleast they're sending a positive, and truthful message and their sincerity and genuity will show up later, if they deserve it.[/QUOTE]


That's like all most every punk band out the 70's.

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]Well gee wiz there cheeser, i guess i owe you an apology. For some stupid reason, i got the impression that these forums were here for people to express their opinions, but i guess i was wrong.[/QUOTE]
yeah, and your opinion is stupid, misinformed, and more or less wrong, in light of the facts of the matter.


and unseen2k0, you just shot way up on my "cool mxers" list. :chug:

[QUOTE=Unseen2k0]3qtzDrunk- First off, you're not being nearly as reasonable as you're claiming you are. And you're not a critic. You're a teenager living in your mothers basement, more than likely.

But to avoid a fight, how about this: How are they exploiting innocent people? Tell me exactly. I do not understand. How are they doing everything just for attention and no other purpose? Tell me exactly.

Don't say anything if it doesn't apply to those two questions.[/QUOTE]
''And once again i find myself bobbing my head to a mediocre song''
Sorry, that didnt really apply to anything, kind of like speculation about my age and where I live, which I shouldent really need to justify, other than saying im 23 and have my own beautiful place. But seeing as im replying to someone who told me to stay on topic after insulting me, i kind of though it fit. In case you dont know the definition of exlpoitation, here is a handy link to a dictionary: [url]www.dictionary.com[/url]. So lets forget about the throngs of evil people that were in that building for a minute, ill give you that, as a matter of fact, lets forget about everyone in that building if you want. How about the people in the plane? People coming from Boston, nowhere near the WTC, probably had nothing to do with anything. How about the firefighters and police who went up there to save people. Its those people I think about, just like I feel horrible for people in Iraq and other place we feel the need to bomb for no reason. And I never said that they do EVERYTHING for attention, but they do use attention seeking antics, which is fine to a point, but there is a line somewhere, for me at least, and for some other people who agree with what im saying, some of them even fans of the band. Im never going to tell someone they are stupid for thier opinion, because it is thier opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Plenty of people have disagreed with me, but i actually respect the people who write out well thought out posts, rather than talk about how someone is living in their parents basement, you are childish.

[QUOTE=cheeser_1]yeah, and your opinion is stupid, misinformed, and more or less wrong, in light of the facts of the matter.


and unseen2k0, you just shot way up on my "cool mxers" list. :chug:[/QUOTE]
As for you, i see that you are the kind of person who likes people who agree with you, and anyone who disagrees is a moron, and stupid. You cant respect other peoples opinions, so I suggest that maybe affiliating yourself with a political party wouldent be a bad idea. You can vote the party line with the rest of the Republicans or Democrats, and completley agree with anything they say, regardles of weather or not its stupid. After saying things like your opinion is stupid, your opinion is wrong, you pretty much lose all credibility. I would actually have some respect for you if you would write out something interesting without insulting people right away because you are insecure, but since you cant seem to do that, do the rest of us a favor by sticking your fingers in a wood chipper so you cant type anymore.

god dammit go away and let us enjoy our leftover crack and chocking victim thread in peace

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]As for you, i see that you are the kind of person who likes people who agree with you, and anyone who disagrees is a moron, and stupid. You cant respect other peoples opinions, so I suggest that maybe affiliating yourself with a political party wouldent be a bad idea. You can vote the party line with the rest of the Republicans or Democrats, and completley agree with anything they say, regardles of weather or not its stupid. After saying things like your opinion is stupid, your opinion is wrong, you pretty much lose all credibility. I would actually have some respect for you if you would write out something interesting without insulting people right away because you are insecure, but since you cant seem to do that, do the rest of us a favor by sticking your fingers in a wood chipper so you cant type anymore.[/QUOTE]
yeah. okay. it's my opinion that black people are intrinsically dumb. does that mean my opinion can't be wrong? so you have to respect my opinion and give it as much leverage as you would give the opinion that black people are no different from any other people (a scientific fact, by the way)?

and yes, that was obviously hypothetical.

you're an idiot, and when i call you an idiot, you prove me right. i'm not a party-line voter, i'm not a self-important idiot. you are. you'll sit there and insist that you have some high moral ground, and then tell us we have to respect your opinion on the basis of some sort of equal-opportunit-of-opinion-no-matter-how-dumb. the fact is that you are wrong. they make the art they want. deal with it.


and none of us know the definition of exlpoitation. why don't you fill us in, moron.

I Like Choking Victim

I Dont Like Leftover Crack

[QUOTE=WANK86]I Like Choking Victim

I Dont Like Leftover Crack[/QUOTE]

I like Leftover Crack's new album more than Choking Victim. But I like Choking Victim's over Leftover Cracks first album.

[QUOTE=3qtzDrunk]So lets forget about the throngs of evil people that were in that building for a minute, ill give you that, as a matter of fact, lets forget about everyone in that building if you want. How about the people in the plane? People coming from Boston, nowhere near the WTC, probably had nothing to do with anything. How about the firefighters and police who went up there to save people. Its those people I think about, just like I feel horrible for people in Iraq and other place we feel the need to bomb for no reason.

And I never said that they do EVERYTHING for attention, but they do use attention seeking antics, which is fine to a point, but there is a line somewhere, for me at least, and for some other people who agree with what im saying, some of them even fans of the band.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I cut everything you didn't need out of there.
Now where on the album cover do they show the fire fighters? Where in the songs do they sing about them dying? Where are the songs about the people on the plane or a zoomed in look at their faces? And I will overlook your ignorant police statement, you can find out about that on your own. Now how are they exploiting those people by not mentioning them or showing them? How?

Okay, so your answer is beginning to change, and you fail to answer the question. They have been singing songs like these before 9/11 with Clinton was President. How is this album any different from any other? And I ask this because you're not blowing up about any other one. And just because someone goes "I'm a fan of them, but I think they are attention seeking whores" doesn't mean they are fans. I can say I like you, but I don't agree with you. Doesn't mean it's true. So get back to me on those fine points.

I like choking victim and LoC but i don't like the sound of their newest album, the lyrics are good but their kind of losing their skacore and thats why i preffered their first albums.

theyre site is closed cuz they didnt pay to keep it up. for some reason that isnt shocking but i still love it

[QUOTE=Oi_addict]I like choking victim and LoC but i don't like the sound of their newest album, the lyrics are good but their kind of losing their skacore and thats why i preffered their first albums.[/QUOTE]
no they aren't, they still play ska as good as anybody else. and they still play other stuff too, like they always have.

[QUOTE=WANK86]I Like Choking Victim

I Dont Like Leftover Crack[/QUOTE]

Sort of hard to understand...considering members of CV are in LoC.

Check out InDK and Morning Glory.

n00b

[QUOTE=StuckPunk]Sort of hard to understand...considering members of CV are in LoC.

Check out InDK and Morning Glory.

n00b[/QUOTE]

Completely understandable. I like Op Ivy and don't like Rancid. Same members though.

[QUOTE=Brain Squirmin' Like a Toad]Completely understandable. I like Op Ivy and don't like Rancid. Same members though.[/QUOTE]
well, not really. they draw alot of different stuff into rancid, especially these days. and even when they started though, the first ST album was nothing at all like operation ivy (life won't wait was probably more like op ivy than anything else they did).

ps if you don't like rancid, you're a dummy face with a stupid head.