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Merkaba 09-21-2004 11:02 AM

chris cornell...solo album 2000 i think, Euphoria Morning

just listened to it at the local airport watching planes , then i came back and played it. Im starting to use a pick now, i never use them and its not easy for me, haha. but after i though about it, i need it to play that song like he plays it.

Im sure you'll hear it and be like , thats not too much. But its just the feel, i dont know. The man just does it for me.

Like suicide acoustic is good too, and preaching the end of the world, sweet sunshower.

he wrote most of the stuff for Soundgarden too, which i think is an ego thing related to why they split up, if im not mistaken :wave:

CrazyConductor 09-21-2004 12:53 PM

I believe that Kim Thayil Put some of his tracks on the Probot album (Speaking of soundgarden Gutarists), He was a really good guitarist, Very original... Now that were on the Topic, Anyone like the Singing on the Probot Album /em loved it Especially Snake from Voivod... Kick *** Track

j0s1ah 09-22-2004 11:03 AM

i couldn't find that sweet euphoria song, but i downloaded about 7 other songs by him. they are good. :)

Merkaba 09-22-2004 01:12 PM

IM sure its out there. IM always recording myself playing it, maybe i'll send you my version if i ever get around to recording it again.

CrazyConductor 09-22-2004 01:24 PM

Did you know that Chris Cornell originally played drums and Sang for soundgarden... That bastard...

j0s1ah 09-22-2004 02:50 PM

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]IM sure its out there. IM always recording myself playing it, maybe i'll send you my version if i ever get around to recording it again.[/QUOTE]
aite cool.

session9 09-22-2004 06:22 PM

If you like that song merkaba-1, you'll probably like the one he did called "Sunshower". It's on the soundtrack to the movie "Singles", but I'm sure you can pick it up somewhere. I think it's as good an acoustic ballad as "Sweet Euphoria" is, if not better, and it has the same kind of feel.

Merkaba 09-23-2004 12:04 AM

[QUOTE=CrazyConductor]Did you know that Chris Cornell originally played drums and Sang for soundgarden... That bastard...[/QUOTE]

yep, said he didnt like the whole singing and playing drums thing. too **** much going on

Merkaba 09-23-2004 12:08 AM

[QUOTE=session9]If you like that song merkaba-1, you'll probably like the one he did called "Sunshower". It's on the soundtrack to the movie "Singles", but I'm sure you can pick it up somewhere. I think it's as good an acoustic ballad as "Sweet Euphoria" is, if not better, and it has the same kind of feel.[/QUOTE]

dark as roses, and fine as sand
I feel your healing and your sting again
cuts like anguish or, recollections
of better days, gooooone by
but its allllright
when youre all in pain
and you feeeel the rain coooome down
oh its alright
when you find your waaay and you seeee it disappearrrr
its alri-e-yight
though your garden's grey, i know all your graces
some day will flower in another world....another worrrld
in the sweet sunshooowwwwerrrrrrr
:thumb:

can you play it by the way?

session9 09-23-2004 06:49 AM

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]can you play it by the way?[/QUOTE]

Yup, I use cornell's solo stuff (and some soundgarden) to warm up the old vocal chords and fingers. Mailman is my usual choice of SG song, and Sunshower is the Solo song. I sometimes do Like a Stone as well.

j0s1ah 09-23-2004 08:36 AM

let's call this thread 'chris cornell'

Merkaba 09-23-2004 10:46 AM

[QUOTE=session9]Yup, I use cornell's solo stuff (and some soundgarden) to warm up the old vocal chords and fingers. Mailman is my usual choice of SG song, and Sunshower is the Solo song. I sometimes do Like a Stone as well.[/QUOTE]
yep, usually i might warm up(vocals) with Cant change me, preaching the end of the world, sweet euphoria, I am the highway, Pillow of bones helps get my upper range warmed up more. I love the album so much i usually just use it as part of my warm up, every day, as i am about to do in a few minutes. Oh, like suicide is another of my favorites. tried to play it on acoustic but it doesnt sound the same as his cause i think he overdubs his acoustic version.

We6Will6Rise6 09-23-2004 02:31 PM

Ahoy. Im kinda seeking advice, i think. I have my own band, and I am the vocalist. Ive screamed before to hatebreed at a talent show, everyone said i sounded like jamey jasta, but i dunno, but i think we are going to aim to sound like a.f.i. or the used or somewhere around that. When i was screaming, i got short of breathe often. i start to feel dizzy and stuff. Does anybody have any advice or any ways they can help??
Thanks,
ColtNess

(oh, my band's name is LastChance.)

j0s1ah 09-24-2004 08:42 AM

merk, i found that sweet euphoria song, it's great. i know what u mean when u say 'it does it for me' lol. everlong acoustic 'does it for me'
:thumb:

H4Z4RD0US 09-25-2004 08:00 AM

what if i want a deep voice like...james hettfield or something, how can i practice that, my normal talking tone is pretty deep

Merkaba 09-25-2004 12:04 PM

[QUOTE=H4Z4RD0US]what if i want a deep voice like...james hettfield or something, how can i practice that, my normal talking tone is pretty deep[/QUOTE]
????

uh, practice singing deep, with all the other stuff i usually mention. YOur voice may or may not be able to sound like someone elses. its yours

redblksg 09-29-2004 11:09 AM

singing and screaming
 
hey, I'm a singer for a band in my neighberhood. I sing alright, I take lessons and I'm doing fine. The problem is that I can't scream. I would like to sing like the bands Silverstein, and matchbook romance, or somewhere around there, but My screaming doesn't sound catchy. are there any tips for that. thanks

btoto 09-29-2004 02:48 PM

^well, the whole topic is about it..........you could at least see the other pages, you know...

j0s1ah 09-30-2004 10:52 AM

warming down:
my vocal teacher says start from a high note and slide down to a lower note.
do you all do this when you warm down...err...cool down?
lol, what else?

Merkaba 09-30-2004 01:01 PM

^ well, thats what i have in all of my posts! well, the ones that im "un-lazy" enough to write it out for the umpteenth time instead of just saying warm down. hehe

j0s1ah 09-30-2004 07:52 PM

lol, i never caught that. ty.
he tells me that it gets your voice back to talking level or something. lol.
he also has me warm down doing rolling the tongue (like a snake) from a high note to a low note...just in case you are were wondering how j0s1ah (joe) warms down.

appreciate_it 10-04-2004 11:36 PM

Hey jay and silver.

I've got a question.
(first of all) i've been singing since i was a young) im 15 now but i personally feell i was a lot better when i was young. I was always complimented on how good i was etc and even got a solo at syndey's Opera House. (sorry thats my boasting finished)

As i've got older i've still stayed a singer and don't want to give up music at school cause i love it etc and still get good singing marks but not better. i can sing around 3.5-4 octaves. and i can do around 6 notes in my Falsetto. im probably just a (forgot the word starts with S, the one above bass) and normally get my better marks when singing either James Hetfield or Andy Kliedis (RHCP, Metallica)
My question, why can i personally not sing as well as i used to. i used to hit every note, and now it's kinda ehhh! I've been taught how to breathe and my diction is fine, it's just some notes i find hard... Will it get worse as i get older? Thanks...

Merkaba 10-04-2004 11:53 PM

well how old are you now?
and your range and ability will diminish a bit as you get older. especially way older. kinda depends on your workload. it could get better. especially if you have done anything to help it diminish, i.e. drinking, smoking, long bouts of coughing, etc. hard vocals and incorrect singing will help you lose ability as well.

baritone is the one above bass, then theres tenor, soprano is the highest for females.

j0s1ah 10-05-2004 04:47 PM

voice varies with age. i tink.
my voice teacher says i am a tenor now, which is weird, i have a very low speaking voice, and i am 6"4, 205 pounds.
;)

appreciate_it 10-05-2004 09:41 PM

Drinkin diminishes your voice? So all the crap about makin your voice better is crap!? im not sayin i drunk so my voice got better, but i thought that it made it stronger?
Ah! im 15 by the way.

Merkaba 10-06-2004 03:24 AM

well can you explain how it would make it stronger?
Alcohol by its very nature is a drying agent. by the time your body deals with it it has to get extra water from other areas and one of, if not the first place, it goes is your throat area. Dry cords equals less stamina and more likely hood of doing some degree of damage. I've never heard anything about alcohol making the voice better.

and i just covered this a bit in another post. but if youre fifteen youre more than likely still going through puberty. so you larynx has been getting bigger. this has a direct impact on your range. so if you cant reach the same notes then this may be part of the reason why. Its like trying to get a high pitch out of tuba. and vice versa, you cant get a bass tone out of a flute. the airway is just too small/large. in generally smaller larynxes can get higher notes. bigger ones get more bassy range. Keep visiting your upper head voice, properly. you have to work it to grow it. but dont strain.

j0s1ah 10-06-2004 08:17 AM

i think he meant, it gives your voice a quick fix when it is feeling low...right?

Merkaba 10-06-2004 01:19 PM

^ never heard that either. but i could see how people might say that. the same with a quick smoke to help heat up the area. sometimes i think this is true, but the risks and damage outweigh any advantages conceivable.
Of course, alcohol can subdue your nerves and mental..which may help ease a little tension.

j0s1ah 10-06-2004 04:59 PM

yeah, u said what i thought/meant.

sliver 10-10-2004 01:06 PM

hey guys, just posting some of my bands stuff :D hopefully you guys like it.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/4/stilllifetorontomusic.htm[/url]

imbay 10-11-2004 08:44 AM

i have a Billie Joe Armstrong - joel madden kind of voice.
but my problem is that i can't get a highier note..
not high enough..

what can i do?

Merkaba 10-11-2004 03:50 PM

^ you could be closing your throat off, hence not getting proper air flow for a good vibration. or you might just be unable to pull the cords tight enough to get a higher pitch. If youre trying to work on your range....well thats tricky. but im planning on posting something about that soon. warm up and practic high notes in your head voice, dont over push. range is greatly limited by the size of your larynx. if its big youre not gonna ever be able to get too high....well...it will just be very very difficult. shall i say

Winter-seed...AKA b&h 10-13-2004 03:54 AM

hey, iv been trying to work out the "sing with your larynx low" thing and i can do it but its kinda hard to pronounce the words right. Is there any excercises you can do for that....or am i just a strange,strange man?

Merkaba 10-13-2004 01:03 PM

isolation...

but the larynx is gonna move a bit...the key is to keep it relaxed. But in general you wann feel like youre trying to swallow an apple.

sliver 10-18-2004 09:01 AM

[QUOTE=appreciate_it]Hey jay and silver.

I've got a question.
(first of all) i've been singing since i was a young) im 15 now but i personally feell i was a lot better when i was young. I was always complimented on how good i was etc and even got a solo at syndey's Opera House. (sorry thats my boasting finished)

As i've got older i've still stayed a singer and don't want to give up music at school cause i love it etc and still get good singing marks but not better. i can sing around 3.5-4 octaves. and i can do around 6 notes in my Falsetto. im probably just a (forgot the word starts with S, the one above bass) and normally get my better marks when singing either James Hetfield or Andy Kliedis (RHCP, Metallica)
My question, why can i personally not sing as well as i used to. i used to hit every note, and now it's kinda ehhh! I've been taught how to breathe and my diction is fine, it's just some notes i find hard... Will it get worse as i get older? Thanks...[/QUOTE]

I think a lot of how good you sound is in a persons ego...

If when you were younger you were always told you had a really good voice, you would probably then be convinced you were an amazing superstar (whether you really were or not). But honestly think about it, who wants to hear a little kid sing? :lol: I suppose its ok for cute lullaby's or church songs... but other than that?

You don't really loose range as you grow older, your range changes and you can sing lower notes, and can't sing some of the higher ones you could before. I don't see this as a bad thing at all... all of my favourite singers are baritone singers.

I sugguest instead of killing yourself to hit notes you can't hit, to practise on notes that are more comfortable in your range. Try and find exactly what your range is... for example my full voice range runs from

G#2 (C3 being middle C) to A4. (With falsetto it runs to about E5).

Know yourself... know your limitations and do practise exercises to keep your voice and ear in good tone.

Knoxvillelives 10-18-2004 10:37 AM

Yo fellow rock men and women.
My band started doing some Oasis stuff last month and they asked me to sing 'Don't Look Back In Anger'. I can sing and play guitar and everything, but this song bugs the hell out of me.
I can do the verses alright, but when it comes to the 'SOOOOOO Sally can wait' I sort have to hurt myself to do it, it sounds great, but then I have to do it again, 'SOOOOUUUULLLL' and my voice breaks a little, as in starts to croak, then when it comes 'Don't Look Back in Anger' my voice hearts like fook and I have to shout it. Apparently it sounds OK, but I'm really not comfortable with doing it for an audience.
Any tips on how I can stop this happening.

Knoxvillelives 10-18-2004 10:52 AM

Also, I can sing in key, but how do I find the exact octave that the singer I'm trying to replicate is. For example of Don't Look Back In Anger, I'm sure I'm too high, higher than Noel anyway.

Merkaba 10-18-2004 01:21 PM

youre speaking kinda in a paradox. if youre having trouble reaching a high note yet youre sure youre singing higher...then youre probably singing the wronig note. the typical male voice wont cover more than 3.5 octaves and some four. if youre off by an octave...you can still be in key. otherwise drop it down an octave so you dont have to kill yourself.

sliver 10-18-2004 02:22 PM

[QUOTE=Knoxvillelives]Also, I can sing in key, but how do I find the exact octave that the singer I'm trying to replicate is. For example of Don't Look Back In Anger, I'm sure I'm too high, higher than Noel anyway.[/QUOTE]

I seriously doubt you're singing the octave up on these notes... and by seriously doubt I mean there is no way you are; unless you are doing them in falsetto. I think he is singing a high G or G# in this part... and to sing the octave up is notes in the soprano register. Most likely you're singing a higher harmony or you're not singing in key. Why not tape yourself singing the song and then listen to the song itself and see if you are singing the same note?

If you are having problems singing the song just tune your guitar a 1/2 step, or a full step down. Or just sing a lower harmony of the note instead... singing the octave down would take away from the song.

ps. I'm pretty sure on the first few pages of this thread I gave a lesson on how to sing a harmony.

Rookie 10-21-2004 03:14 AM

I think I'm a bass barritone but I don't have that muich bass in my voice, I just sing lower.
I sing a little bit of backups in my band but the number is increasing cause I'm learning to sing backups by myself and on this forum, and last show we played I even got some nice compliments about it.
Another thing I want to learn is scream, I haven't seen it around this thread before so for once (maybe not once but what the heck :p) and for all: I'd like a Barritone scream (if you know what I mean, not the real Poison The Well or Reggie and the full effect scream, but more like Thrice and the few screams that Brand New uses (like in sic transit gloria glory fades).
If someone can give me a few pointers on this or a link to an existing post that I missed I'll be grateful :)

Rookie


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