You can lose your falsetto without using it at all. Just drink tons of water, sing soft excersises, and don't push if it doesn't feel good.

K so first off... Unsound THanx for taking the time to post this. I havnt tried any fo this yet, but have been looking for a guide for months now and none were as well thought out and... hilarious :D SO yeah Thanks. Oh and if you guys havnt heard these guys yet.... check them out. I think 3/4 members in this band (Fear Before The March Of Flames) scream and they all have slightly diffrent screams... they rule... check it out...
[url]http://www.purevolume.com/fearbeforethemarchofflames[/url]

Hey jay maybe you can help me out i was wondering if i might be screwing up my singning voice by screaming. I'm usually pretty careful about it. How i started out was i screamed (sang some too) for a half hour every day after school before anyone got home for a few months. At first my voice would get all low and i would sound like a frog and cough alot. Now, i can get through a two hour band practice without my voice even hurting the least bit. Soo here is a clip of my screaming on soundclick and tell me what you think (its a few months old its way better now) I did not use a microphone i was singing along to killswitch engage into a crappy tape recorder. Any tips for me?

peace
jeff

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/leadhead[/url] (click on the vocal demo one)

oh yeah ps im doing it along with a stereo in the backround the one with the lower voice is me

Leadhead - I can't give you any advice, but I just want to say that I like your scream - it's more of a growl... if you could post the technique as to how to do that, it would be greatly appreciated, since i would like to find out how to do it.

Yeah thats a great scream you got there, man. I can do a decent low-mid range scream off of a mic, except i dont have a microphone to record myself with, nor an amp of any sort.

Anyways, with my kind of singing i want to achieve, I want to try and sing like Slipknot and Mudvayne.

Its come to my attention that you use your falsetto to scream high pitches. If anyone knows Story of the year -- Anthem of our dying day, I wanna know how to do that kinda high scream he does. Its been explained a little bit how to do a pitch like that, except i never did completely understand.

so to cut things short, i would appreciate if someone told me how to do the following:

1. How to do a falsetto scream
2. And correct me if im wrong, falsetto is like when you make girly sounds, really high pitched notes? I need some clarification...
3. what kind of screams to slipknot and mudvayne do?

I just push out all the air i can with my diaphram, although im not growling i just have a low voice. You have to have confidence when you do it just scream your head off and you'll get it eventually. Your diaphram is what you use when you want to push out a really big ****, use that. I use my throught alot latley when i scream, all the teqniques will come to you eventually it takes a few months.

But its so loud... well it seems that way anyway. I heard using your throat when you scream could completely paralyze your vocal chords, so i dont do that anymore, i just use stomache; i mean diaphragm, and push really hard ;D

I read all the god **** 15 pages ! Let me tell you that all those tips are really itneresting ! I'll try all of them as soon as I have time .. My friends and I sometime jam just for the fun of it on death/black metal songs and I am the singer/screamer/growler. I was wondering if my techniques for growling and screeching are ok because I practiced a lot and the only thing that hurts when I really do it loud is the muscles around my throat that are constantly contracted when I tighten or widen my throat. My vocal chords seem ok but I've been doing this since the last 6 months.. Here's some samples from an account that I just created on soundclick. A few feedbacks would be appreciated. There is three samples, one of them is me growling for 12 seconds, the other is me, screeching at 6 feet from my microphone (I wanted to avoid Distortion) and the last one is a crappy song caricaturizing a grindcore death metal song like Cannibal Corpse(I dont really like CC but it fitted what we wanted to do). The music is made using a midi sequencer and all the song was created and recorded in an hour and a half at 3 am. lol so don't take it seriously, in fact, the song is funny in its ugliness but it still gives a good idea of my growling skills! The high pitch scream is by my friend, i'm doing the whispers and the low growls ... I don't want feedbacks for my friend.. He had a cold anyway !

Links : [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/malegothbabesmusic.htm[/url]

Thank you for all the tips ! ;)

[QUOTE=Teh1337Darklink]But its so loud... well it seems that way anyway. I heard using your throat when you scream could completely paralyze your vocal chords, so i dont do that anymore, i just use stomache; i mean diaphragm, and push really hard ;D[/QUOTE]


Yeah i'm using a TAPE recorder with no microphone and I haven't had any problems using my throught when I scream. That clip is old maybe i'll post a new one over the summer if my band records.

Lol oh... sounds like its a stereo, with a cheap 5$ microphone recording. I tried to record my screaming once. it sounded like so much ***. Anyway, i dont know how to get a body on my scream, its just a scream. Like i mean.. i can go low, to low-mid, to low-high and thats about it. If i use my throat i can go higher and such, but i duno ifthats such a good idea.

I dunno man. I'm no expert

dis helped me aton thank you. becu im in a industrial rock bands singer i have to scream alot and have to take several tries when recording this helped aton

Thats ok....

so what you do is use your throat, and stomache?.... ;/

I gotta try it sometime.

I'm not too sure what I do, I posted a newer clip which i recorded today. I didn't warm up at all but I think my voice got lower over this past year, tell me if you agree. Anyways IM also looking to have better throught control than I have like the messhuggah vocalist possibly? Wheres jay at lol.

Anyways darklink dont worry about technique too much just when you start gettin tired stop and you'll get more and more throught strength. I think the mudvayne singer had the best advice about screaming, just scream your head off all the time. It takes a few months to get a hold of.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/leadhead[/url]

click on the new vocal demo can anyone help me out here

sweet, alright man i'll check it out. Thanks alot.

and jay, where;'d you go? :O


Edit: I listned to it, sounds great. All you need is a mic, and amp, with some drums, guitars, and some other stuff in the background, and your set !

[QUOTE=Teh1337Darklink]sweet, alright man i'll check it out. Thanks alot.

and jay, where;'d you go? :O


Edit: I listned to it, sounds great. All you need is a mic, and amp, with some drums, guitars, and some other stuff in the background, and your set ![/QUOTE]

Hey Guys sorry to be away for so long, but I have been on the road meeting with publishers & distributors to make sure our debut CD is released worldwide, and then setting up recording dates & mastering dates in Los Angeles, and finally , setting up my on-line rock vocal clinic (whew)...
It's late here in Chicago, but I promise in the morning I will go thru this whole thread & try to give some help...
Keep Rockin'

Jay

Jay > Is there any news on what happening with your rock vocal clinic yet?

[QUOTE=Harmonisation]Jay > Is there any news on what happening with your rock vocal clinic yet?[/QUOTE]

Hey Harmonisation there is...
We were delayed a few weeks, cause my web designers Mac blew up, but thinkg are back on track . We are opening the site up late next week, around June 3 or 4th hopefully.
You can go to [url]www.rock-vocals.com[/url] for some info, or if interested send me an e mail at [email]jay@rock-vocals.com[/email] .
I have had 18 people sign up for the pre- launch, so about 20 more spots are open..
Take Care

Jay Link

ive heard chester (from linkin park) screams he can have up to like 3 different notes. is that true. & what about bert mccracken from the used. he screams so hard he pukes in his shows. bert & chester have the best screams ever. give me some kinda idea on how to scream like each of them... e-mail me. [email]travis_walls_22@hotmail.com[/email]

Jay > Ive just sent you a mail dude, so if you could get back to me in your spare time it would be appreciated. Thanks =)

I saw The Used live yesterday and they were awesome! I just wanted to know if the screaming method posted at the beginning of this thread is the same one Bert uses. Also, can someone post what they sound like when they scream?

Thanks

poetic tragedy... first off The Used is freaking awesome... anyways ive tried my hardest to sound like bert when i scream but when i scream it sounds a lil high pitched but it still sounds good but its not raw & as strong as berts. more like... chester from LP or something close to it. i dunno if that was what you were but yeah. later

how do you do the scream like chester, WhenSorrowFails?

Anyways...

Here is me singing Cradle of Filth - Dusk and her embrace...

[url]http://yatty.vahst.com/Recordings/cof2.mp3[/url]

I've sung a few songs, which some of you know. But without any practice or excercises before hand.

I would like to know how to sing more like the original. You can hear the original in the background..

Wow, I just got done reading all 16 pages, and it's help me a lot, just in one night, but using the techniques my scream is already a little better. I'm aiming for a Story of the Year and Nate/Randy from Finch scream, and I think its coming along ok. I don't have a good sounding voice for singing, but it does sound pretty good screaming, so I really don't care if i damage my singing voice...so..any tips?

(im 15 by the way)

[QUOTE=Yatty]Anyways...

Here is me singing Cradle of Filth - Dusk and her embrace...

[url]http://yatty.vahst.com/Recordings/cof2.mp3[/url]

I've sung a few songs, which some of you know. But without any practice or excercises before hand.

I would like to know how to sing more like the original. You can hear the original in the background..[/QUOTE]


i'll try to help
so here it go's

take more air and take it at the right moment. try to get as much air in as possible.
if he screams high pitched and you can't reach the the note try to warm up first
by singing scales and then push as much air out as needed to get to your top pitch (you'd probably knew that allready but i'm just telling everything)
o and think forward while screaming (believe me it works)
try to put the high pitched scream in the front of your mouth.
and think about the note before singing/screaming it while breathing in

good luck

tip for everybody:
ALLWAYS warm up if you're going to sing seriously (gig's , band practise)
big change to scr3w up your voice if you don't.
keep vocal chords/throat hydrated, but that's been said before

if your throat or vocal chords start to hurt...stop.
You can continue if you want but don't complain if you lose
your voice for 1 or 2 days.

Also you kinda gotta push out with your diaphram when your screaming not only is it louder, it doesnt hurt your throught as much.

You should be regulating air flow from your diaphram anyway :thumb:

[QUOTE=italic zero]You should be regulating air flow from your diaphram anyway :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Yep :cool:

[QUOTE=EcolliJK]i'll try to help
so here it go's

take more air and take it at the right moment. try to get as much air in as possible.
if he screams high pitched and you can't reach the the note try to warm up first
by singing scales and then push as much air out as needed to get to your top pitch (you'd probably knew that allready but i'm just telling everything)
o and think forward while screaming (believe me it works)
try to put the high pitched scream in the front of your mouth.
and think about the note before singing/screaming it while breathing in

good luck[/QUOTE]


Thanks for that...I've been warming up for a little while now..and I'm about to attempt to sing Cradle of Filth - Saffrons Curse...it has a lot of high pitched screaming, and goes from real low to real high in 2 words..or even in one word...:(

But I'll try nonetheless..

thnx for adding the diaphram thing i forgot :upset:

yatty for the quick change of pitch i might have something that's work to practise it.
hold your arm, in the air and when you go from low to high let your arm fall.
let it go completly loose.
practise that way a couple of times, untill you're used to the pitch changing.

my vocal teacher allways told me that that is a good way to get used to it.

good luck

I've got a question....are girls physically able to scream? because i've never heard a girl scream before.

yes, girls are able to scream. listen to kittie.

agrees ^ see arch enemy aswell

[quote] see arch enemy aswell[/quote]
i don't know why i forgot to mention them. sick vocalist in that band.

ok im a girl and im soon starting a band with no singer so i sed iwould do it but i wanna scream, is the tequnique the same i want to sound like walls of jericho and i kinda dont understand how u do the screaming notfrom ur gut if that makes anysense!!!! sorry if theres anything bout it in here but i only read the first bits

my main thing is i wanna have Trent Reznors vocal range
i use to be able to hit every note he could, then i ****ed my voice a bit, but, it seems to be comming back a little......but you know..i'd love to be able to sing the chorus to Hurt without ****ing up the "MY EMPIRE OF DIRT" part

[QUOTE=hollyhox]ok im a girl and im soon starting a band with no singer so i sed iwould do it but i wanna scream, is the tequnique the same i want to sound like walls of jericho and i kinda dont understand how u do the screaming notfrom ur gut if that makes anysense!!!! sorry if theres anything bout it in here but i only read the first bits[/QUOTE]

yeah im a girl too and i wanna kno if there's ne diff too in technique cuz girls voices r diff than guys, iffya ever figure that out let me kno!! :)

there's no difference
we both have the same vocal chords
only girls pitch range is higher (usually)