i found out acapella, but still can u give me an example of practicing vowels?

ok,
I'm not a regualr in this thread. I play keyboards/synths in a symphonic black metal band, but I want to do backing vocals.
But I have a problem with clean vocals.
if I sing high notes in my falsetto voice, my voice loses all it's power and the high notes are really soft, and difficult to hear.

now if I try to put more strength behind them, the tone gets distorted and it sounds like crap.

so it's sort of a dilemma.
so anyone got any tips to improve the strength and loudness of my falsetto voice?

thank you :)

so yeah, i always hear about people live jame hetfeild and vince neil not being able to sing very good. I kinda like how they sound. what can it do to sound like them?

[QUOTE=Al Strzelecki]i found out acapella, but still can u give me an example of practicing vowels?[/QUOTE]
You'd really do yourself a service if you just fixed a snack or dinner, got a drink, and sat down and read the voicehelp hotline. Its all in there.
So you know what acapella is. And as previously stated...the cords can only make vowels. Consanants are provided by blocking the vowel after its made with your throat, teeth, tongue, cheeks, and any combination thereof. As I said, you never hear of anyone needing help with singing a tttt or a bbbbb right? The phonetic vowels for singing are: Ay, E,I,O, and U as in boot, not dew and ah. So I was saying practice these because they are the fundamentals. And its easier to isolate things if youre not worried about shaping the mouth and everything for a specific word. And again, I'm not talking about thirty minutes. Just a few minutes. It adds up over a while. Just sing them, holding an ay...and rising up in pitch smoothly(gliss) like a siren and back down on one breath(smooth=legatto). then do some stacatto, which would be broken, seperated. Do scales as well...all on each vowel,paying attention to any tension or stiffness you might create,which is a no no.

umm i hate to sound stupid here and all....but isolating the vocal cords? i just wanna know what this is doing exactly. i do know its a good thing, but what exactly does it do? and also what exactly is the difference between scales, doing the smooth thing like a siren, and the stacatto?

Alright il have to find a computer microphone or somthing, if your interested [url]www.purevolume.com/silverstein[/url] is where you can hear what im trying to get.

[QUOTE=Al Strzelecki]umm i hate to sound stupid here and all....but isolating the vocal cords? i just wanna know what this is doing exactly. i do know its a good thing, but what exactly does it do? and also what exactly is the difference between scales, doing the smooth thing like a siren, and the stacatto?[/QUOTE]
Isolating the cords mean you make your sounds without the throat/larynx moving around. Can you go up in pitch while keeping your adams apple from squeezing up?

Scales, as in do re me fa sol la ti do....etc. ABCDEF....and intervals....ACE...just typical scales in a given key.
smooth like a siren....as in one continuous sound from low to high, then high to low, then low to high to low..all in one smooth unbroken slide.

Stacatto is just ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah, e e e e e e,etc.....going up and down in pitch. But you still don't want the vowel to pop hard when you start each one. Dont blast it, you still want the start to be relatively soft.

Can i ask you a question ?
 

Hello Merkaba-1

In a thread in this forum about vocal excercices you mention the umportance of vocal warm up.
you said: "If you are smart you will also warm down"
What is to warm down one's own voice ?
Thank you so much for your time and generosity Merkaba-1

Warming down. Take a few minutes to lightly sing from your highest falsetto down to your lowest note. I usually do all vowels, ending on E. Then I'll buzz a few e's starting around regular speaking pitch and hold them. By buzzing I mean with lots of resonance, really relaxed and like a sinatra croon, or an opera note...I'll do these and slide them down real low and always end on e's as my last vowel.

If you find you dont have time to technically warm down...you should at least not stop vocalizing abruptly. You want to at least be able to keep talking and vocalizing after you've sung alot.

how can i do those crazy death metal growls without hurting my voice? sorry if this has been posted before.

Hey Merk. Im working on getting you some samples, trying to get soundclick figured out.

AL STRZELKI or whatever your name is i know the voice help hotline pretty well and id say this is what you are looking for [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=228211[/url]
its basicaly merkaba talking about rasping and stuff.

heres me [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=436330[/url]
its pretty bad, i laughed when heard it so yea anyways please your ideas on it.

Well doesnt sound that bad to me, technique wise. The only thing is that you might be pushing a bit more than you need to...only you can tell that by how much you can do it and how comfortable your throat is later. The falsetto scream didnt sound all that high pitched to me. It was loud, especially if youre doing it through a pillow. BUt again with that, all you have to do is, just be less loud....hehe. PUsh less. And try to work on different pitches. You shouldnt be too concerned, as far as these samples go.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Isolating the cords mean you make your sounds without the throat/larynx moving around. [B]Can you go up in pitch while keeping your adams apple from squeezing up?[/B]
QUOTE]



how do i do that?

discomfort
 

Hey folks,Ive been doing some exercises the best I can like just practicing singing vowels,doing glisses,things like that.Also,illl just sing along with songs i like ,trying to use what Im learning.

But what happens is after a few minutes i get this uncomfortable feeling on the top back of my throat(more like the top back of my mouth).Its not pain,its just discomfort.

Im sure other people have had this problem.Is this stemming from aimproper technique or is this just to be expected or what? And what can i do to fix it?

[QUOTE]Isolating the cords mean you make your sounds without the throat/larynx moving around. [B]Can you go up in pitch while keeping your adams apple from squeezing up?[/B]




how do i do that?[/QUOTE]
Exactly
practice...because most people seem to think that they are synonymous. Now if you swallow, you'll feel your adams apple go up because its closing your windpipe so you dont choke on what youre swallowing. Now a closed windpipe, or partially closed obviously isn't helpful for singing. This is why i preach isolation work so much. Its boring mostly, but an important concept to grasp. You just have to learn how to use them independently. Now the adams apple will rise slightly but it shouldnt much , and definitely not squeeze up. Have you read the isolation thread?

[QUOTE=JukeBoxHero]Hey folks,Ive been doing some exercises the best I can like just practicing singing vowels,doing glisses,things like that.Also,illl just sing along with songs i like ,trying to use what Im learning.

But what happens is after a few minutes i get this uncomfortable feeling on the top back of my throat(more like the top back of my mouth).Its not pain,its just discomfort.

Im sure other people have had this problem.Is this stemming from aimproper technique or is this just to be expected or what? And what can i do to fix it?[/QUOTE]
How long are you practicing? And have you been doing much singing before now? It could just be the constant extra wind hitting your throat. See if it dissipates over the next week or so, if you keep practicing that is.

I dont practice for very long because of the discomfort.And today when i woke up, I had a sharp pain in the right side of my throat(same area i mentioned before,but just the right side) everytime i swallowed.

Its only been a few dys since I started.

Hey merk, any exercises for working on my scream pitch/tone. Thanks for the other advice on my stuff as well.

i have a problem staying on key without music.
i could sing sex pistols/iggy pop/janis joplin/even jello biafra/ voices like that, but when i try to sing normally (especially depeche mode i noticed) i can't seem to get on key.
i also have a really horrible sounding singing voice. i can change it though (to sound kind of like sex pistols/iggy pop/janis joplin) but when i try to sing regular, it sounds stupid. not even bad, just stupid. i have this weird low kid sounding voice going on. :upset:

and i've been trying to write a song (once again) but a lot of words i can't even say cause it sounds so dam[i]n[/i] stupid coming from me. like the word "talking" i had to take out, now i have to think of 2 new lines >:o

[QUOTE=JukeBoxHero]I dont practice for very long because of the discomfort.And today when i woke up, I had a sharp pain in the right side of my throat(same area i mentioned before,but just the right side) everytime i swallowed.

Its only been a few dys since I started.[/QUOTE]Well you shouldnt be having this much pain and problems from singing/screaming. If so youre straining way too much. Plus its not uncommon to pull neck and back muscles from straining while singing. I've done it before. I would suggest you take some days off and start back slowly without pushing alot or trying to scream for a few days.

[QUOTE=Bubbles]Hey merk, any exercises for working on my scream pitch/tone. Thanks for the other advice on my stuff as well.[/QUOTE]
Pitch is how high or low the note is. Tone is just quality,timbre and how well the note rings and resonates, and how clear it is. Both are a function of strength and flexibility, and thats covered in the voicehelp hotline.

[QUOTE=real_low_mind]i have a problem staying on key without music.
i could sing sex pistols/iggy pop/janis joplin/even jello biafra/ voices like that, but when i try to sing normally (especially depeche mode i noticed) i can't seem to get on key.
i also have a really horrible sounding singing voice. i can change it though (to sound kind of like sex pistols/iggy pop/janis joplin) but when i try to sing regular, it sounds stupid. not even bad, just stupid. i have this weird low kid sounding voice going on. :upset:[/QUOTE] Youre speaking mostly of opinion. We dont know how you sound. Most people dont like their singing voice, at first at least. It might not be that bad. Besides practicing and recording without music theres not much else you can do for this type of thing, and for learning to stay on key. It just takes practice and muscle/interval memory. It could be a lot of work. There's just not much you can say in text to help someone match pitch or key, or get a fuller tone. There's always personal lessons if you feel like you dont make any progress.

Ok so due to situations, i am now the singer for my band. I scream for the 99%, but after holding a note i tend to fall off into a nu metal singing. I get the perfect pitch and everything that i want, is it just that i dont have the stamina yet? or am i doing something wrong?

Screaming is taxing. Extremely. HOpefully youre doing it correctly and not overpushing. If you cant hold your notes its due to stamina, which might be lessened due to overpushing and/or incorrect technique. what time frame are we talking here?

Like the thing is i can go through a whole set fine, its just when i hold a note for say, 4-5 seconds it just kinda drowns out and goes back to singing, but that realy bad raspy numetal singing.

You will do fine.

Meh

Go to PA Thread in Classifieds (East Coast) if you read this.

Hey guys, id like you offer me some constructive critcism on my singing in this band i know its bad but id like to know what i could do to improve or change
heres the link
[url]www.myspace.com/euphoriavis[/url]
if the link doesnt work just copy and paste the address into the address bar

Id love to sing in a band, I really would like to sing like Nate Barlow from Finch. I can get the pitch of his voice, I think I sound okay when singing along but when recorded I sound pretty pants... could say I sound like im slightly holding my nose, not as bad as A7x singer tho hah.

My main consern is I cant produce power in my voice... Any advice?

Cheers

Dean

I have a similiar problem as Dean. I'm trying to sing stuff like Blink-182 (Asthenia, I'm Lost Without You), Coheed And Cambria, etc. I can definately hit the notes and stuff but....

1. My voice is not thick, whatsoever. It literally lacks everything. I've recorded into a cheap $12 mic and it sounds really thin/weak.

2. Normally, I don't talk loud. Does this mean that I'll have to push really hard to sing? I can hit those notes, but I can't sing as loud as a person can sorta shout.

So, I would like to get some tips on how to make my voice thicker and a way I can project my voice more. Thanks in advance!:wave:

do you have to be born with whistle tone or can you practise and get it going on, and whats a gun exercise to fix your transition between chest voice and head voice good, because about the A range, my chest voice is strained by my head voice is weak... help?