LAL.. hhhmmm.... they played far more raw & Balls-to-the-Wall Rock 'n Roll
shows.I never understood why they released LAL.
They recorded other shows for the release but legend ( I don't think it's true at
all) has it that Pete burned the tapes.
I think Pete was/is better singer Daltrey.

Also in case someone missed this post I put Live8 thread, here it's again...

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It's even more wonder that The Who were that good after you read
Steve White (drummer) comment about the show. Checkout the part about how many times they practiced the songs.... that's just grazy !!!!

from [url]http://www.whiteydrums.com/[/url] :


WOW or should I say WHO! The response to the two numbers me & Damon did with the Who on Sat. at Live 8 has been nothing less than stunning. Thank you
all so much for the overwhelming words of support & love from you all.

Let me just give you a bit of background to what happened. It was two weeks ago that we got the call from the legendary soundman & Who associate Bobby
Pridden. As many of you will know we supported the band in Japan last year & through Paul (Weller) have had a few chances to work with Roger through the teenage cancer trust events. The call came out of the blue in that it had been agreed The Who would be performing, so in the midst of rehearsing for Glasto with the Players & putting the final touches to Paul's album we (myself & D) were presented with the options for the set. Four tunes were originally mooted & we set about learning the parts. Three of them were to a sequencer & required that on the day the use of in-ear monitoring, not something I am too into really but whatever! We didn't rehearse until the day before. We only met Pete the day before that at Blackbarn studios (where thanks to Paul, we were at least allowed to jam with the sequencer parts. Matt, one of the engineers that works with the band, did a fab job in giving us the lowdown on the tunes, including the fact that the arrangements could be a little different to the record. C'est la vie! And thanks to Matt, Charles & PW for the support.

We only really played the tunes "Who Are You" & "Won't Get Fooled Again" twice on the day with the full band, as Pete was happy to just go for it. And I must say that the second run through we did at Bray studios was possibly the most intense, full on, balls out rock & roll I have ever played, with Mr. Townsend literally stunning in intensity, flow, & musicality. Truly incredible.

Hyperbole & superlatives aside, the fact is that two runs were all we had, & all we got. Yes I missed the re-intro to the second part of "Who Are You," & the in-ear monitors felt like bees in my ear drum but the shear power of "Won't Get Fooled Again" carried us through. What can I say? We got up & we did it. My brother on the bass played f**king awesomely, & I don't think anyone could have nailed the runs on "Won't Get Fooled" like Mr. D - hats off to you, matey.

This thread is awesome! Nice job :thumb:

[QUOTE=drum4weezer36]This thread is awesome! Nice job :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's been good for the Who faithful on the boards. It was revived last nite when a new Who thread/discussion arose in R&M and the two threads were merged. The Who are always worth mentionig. So I for one am glad this thread is here to post, talk, and read about The Who in. And they are always good for a bit of musical controversy.

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]Not as good as people now? I say the opposite. I have yet to hear an outstanding male lead singer from the past 10 years.[/QUOTE]
chris cornell and jeff buckley.

buckley could hit notes that women singers had hard times hitting. hes also amazingly diverse. hard rock to soft adult alternative to even some opera.

cornell had an outstanding range in the 90's, not to mention power to equal daltrey and more versatility to boot.

Awesome job! The Who are probably my favorite band, after Pink Floyd.

Daltrey has amazing power and underrated range. He was also a real showman. It's also very impressive that he can sing with such emotion even though he didn't write the lyrics.

By the way, I've been meaning to ask. To anyone who's seen The Who lately, are they any good without Entwistle and Moon?

[QUOTE=Lunch]Watching them live during their finer moments still gives me the chills. Especially Townshend's windmills. I love the footage of Young Man Blues on the Isle of Wight Dvd, theres great shots of Townshend doing all kinds of cool stuff with his guitar (windmill, waving it in the air, jumping around). You can always feel the energy coming out of their live footage or live recordings.[/QUOTE]

I love that DVD I watch along with The Kids Are Alright all the time. The Who are definitely my favorite live band to watch or hear, when see other people doing live stuff I just think well, not as good as The Who.

And Young Man Blues is probably my favorite song from The Isle of Wight I love when Townshend lets his guitar just hang and feedback, and then he goes all crazy.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Yea, I like it too.

So uh, The Who Sell Out is a great record.[/QUOTE]

Yes I love The Who Sell Out CD reissue is better than the original album, A lot of my favorites weren't on the original album like Hall of The Mountain King and Glittering Girl. Also I love those commercials like the coke ones are really good songs. I also really like Our Love Was and Sunrise. This is definitely very different from all other Who albums. And I think some of that is because Pete sings a lot of the songs, many of them are softer than other who songs. I wonder if maybe Pete was losing some faith in Roger, but also I don't Roger would have been able to sing some of that high stuff. The Who Sell Out is like a prelude to Tommy. Rael has within it Sparks and Underture, which shows I guess Pete didn't mind reusing his songs. Also "It's a girl Mrs. Walker It's a girl" change that to a boy and theres "It's a boy." There's more but you get the picture.

I think it's funny that originally Pete was going to play Tommy therefore being the main singer for the album but Roger said he'd do it and I think that was a good choice.
Also just wanted to say Sparks live is one of the greatest things I've ever seen or heard.

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Also just wanted to say Sparks live is one of the greatest things I've ever seen or heard.[/QUOTE]

The one at Woodstock (on TKAA) is amaaaaazing. Just an awesome jam.

I wouldn't say Pete was reusing songs on Tommy, as much as he was just developing them on earlier records. The same goes for the "Naked Eye" chords at the end of their Woodstock performance. He was just developing motifs, and then using them in different contexts.

Well I just picked up Live at the Isle of Wright, haven't got a chance to listen to it quiet yet.

[QUOTE=Obi One Kenodi]By the way, I've been meaning to ask. To anyone who's seen The Who lately, are they any good without Entwistle and Moon?[/QUOTE]

I have seen The Who twice since the unfortunate death of John Entwhistle and can testify to the fact that they are nearly the same band they were before his loss. The first time I saw them it was just thier second or third gig back after his death, and they did well. I saw them again about a year ago and they did even better, as new bassist Pino Palladino had seemed to of found a firm place in the band. Pete goes the extra mile with his guitar playing to help make up for John's thunder no longer being there, and they have added Pete's brother Simon on rythmn guitar and back up vocals to further assist in making up for the empty spaces left by John. They are an incredible live band and I am convinced that despite John no longer being with them, when The Who are onstage on any given night, you are witness to the best live R n R band in the world. Period. If just for a couple of hours. Oh, and Zak Starkey is an exceptional drummer. Pete has said Roger thinks Zak is the second coming of Moon, and considers him on the same level. Pete disagrees and so do I. But with Zak behind the kit it helps you not miss Keith nearly as much, and makes you think "Kenny Jones who?"

All that said, 'nearly the same band' as I stated above, is not the same band. If you pay attention you can hear the difference. And it doesn't have to be close attention. The difference is obvious. The bass lines that John would improvise are no longer there. The thunderous volume and the clarity of his playing has given way to what can only be described as someone sitting in for him. Pino is a good bass player. He's toured and recorded with Pete before and knows The Who's music very well. And while he is skilled and has some tricks up his sleeve, he is no John Entwhistle. And wisely he doesn't try to be. He is a very good player that does what he does best. Which is take a back seat to the rest of the band and play bass. Which is a lot different then how the bass player they used to have used to play it. Such a shame. And when I hear The Who now I miss John's incredible playing. But he blew it. And as a fan I'm about as pissed at a dead guy that I don't know as I can be.

Aging rock musicians with heart trouble should not be doing coke and indulging in hookers the night before a tour, or on any night for that matter. He had too much to offer still and was far too accomplished to be acting like a kid. If you wanna play, you gotta pay. And John payed with his life. If he weren't already dead I'd kill him myself.

Dumb bastard. :upset:



EDIT: If you wanna check out The Who as they are, check out the Live in Boston DVD. It's the last show of the first tour they did after John died, and they get off to a bit of a slow start with the older songs. Plus they seem a bit tired, and Pino is still finding his place in the band. But after the first 15 minutes or so they are pretty much in full swing and kick some serious butt. It's well worth your time.

Oh, thanks for the info!

[QUOTE=drugstore cowboy]The one at Woodstock (on TKAA) is amaaaaazing. Just an awesome jam.

I wouldn't say Pete was reusing songs on Tommy, as much as he was just developing them on earlier records. The same goes for the "Naked Eye" chords at the end of their Woodstock performance. He was just developing motifs, and then using them in different contexts.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Pete has always worked that way. I think a lot of songwriters do. I've heard demos and outtakes from him where bits and pieces of some completed Who/Townshend songs can be heard in earlier work on different songs. Lyrics, too. I know Bruce Springsteen does the same thing. It's just a matter of a work still being in progress, so to speak. Or using something that perhaps didn't quite work before, somewhere new where it does. On the new Springsteen album the second song has half a verse with the exact same lyrics as a song he put out over ten years ago. I think this often happens if a writer is as prolific as Townshend. And he's allowed that freedom because afterall, it is his work.


EDIT: Thanks for posting that article, Wanderer. I enjoyed it. I've always seen The Who as a band that kind of wings it sometimes, and I guess that still holds true. I still disagree with you about Roger, however. Although I to enjoy Pete's vocals, he wouldn't of been able to pull off The Who without Roger, IMO.

Roger was twice the vocalist Pete was.

Indeed. Eminence Front vs Won't Get Fooled Again. :)

I like the depth Pete added, the harmonies he created with Roger/John, and the variety he provides which is a nice break during some of their songs, but overall it isn't a contest.

The Who Sell Out has always been a favorite of mine, and the bonus tracks make the CD absolutely amazing. My favorites on the original album are Armenia, Relax, Tattoo, and Rael.

Rodger was just a better singer than Pete. No doubt about it. Rodger has amazing power in his voice but also could sing some of the most beautiful melodies i've ever heard.

Pete was good though.

No contest what so ever.. Pete is better singer..
Roger is just "brute force singer", nothing more..
Pete was/is better singer than Roger, now and forever... to me :)

pete had no range. and no power. so what was he? unique? roger could sing with more emotion and range than pete ever could.

[QUOTE=wanderer]No contest what so ever.. Pete is better singer..
Roger is just "brute force singer", nothing more..
Pete was/is better singer than Roger, now and forever... to me :)[/QUOTE]

Wanderer, now you listen up. Roger is far more then merely a "brute force singer". I listened to the whole of Quadrophenia last nite and the depth and range of Roger's vocals is amazing. He indeed is tender and low key when he needs to be. And he does a good job of it. Pete could never give those songs everything they needed vocally. And imagining songs such as My Generation, Baba 'O Riley and especially WGFA, among many many others, with any other singer but Roger just doesn't add up. Plus he's been dutiful (if a little hard headed) to the band and Pete's vision all these years. So let's give credit where credit is due.

sorry but that's just how it is to me...
Pete was/is better singer... more emotion etc.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]pete had no range. and no power. so what was he? unique? roger could sing with more emotion and range than pete ever could.[/QUOTE]

Actually I disagree though I do think Roger was a better singer especially for the band, I think Pete had more of a range than Roger did. Roger i'm sure could get lower but Pete could get much higher and most songs are high.

Anyway if you want range John definitley had the largest range of anybody, he could go really low and really high. Keith Moon also had a nice high voice.

all of petes high range was in a really obvious falsetto though. it didnt sound that good. john was a good singer and keith did an excellent job on the tkaaa dvd with barbara ann. haha.

Keith =/= singing.

Doesn't Roger sing on Armenia, City In the Sky? Either way, he has good range throughout the Who's earlier albums.

Pete wasn't that great of a lead singer, due to his natural falsetto, but he was a kickass backup singer.

moreover, on TKAA when they do Baba O'Reilly, he does sing that bridge part, and it is kinda cool.

Entwistle could sing better then Pete IMO.

Anyone who claims that Pete isn't gret lead singer hasn't obviously never heared his solo shows or record

Just checkout Oceanic Concert
So muh better than Roger....

name me one of their best songs....

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Do not spam in The Who thread. :angry:

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