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[QUOTE=PianoDan]No, the Baroque Era is never dated around 1685-1750, which is when Bach lived. It is sometimes said to have finished in 1759 with the death of Handel, but it certainly goes back to the early 1600s. I did post about it a few posts ago, see that if you want to know...[/QUOTE]

In very round numbers, 1600-1750. By the end of his life J. S. Bach was generally considered to be writing in an antiquated style, which perhaps makes 1759 fairly dubious. C. P. E. Bach was more famous in his day than J. S. Bach ever was in his, and for quite some time when you said "Bach" people took you to mean C. P. E. Bach. Handel and J. S. Bach were born the same year (like Shakespeare and Christopher Marlowe.)

[QUOTE=CabbageStabbage]I don't really know much about Baroque composers, but some of the most famous ones are Vivaldi, Handel, and J.S. Bach. J.S. Bach's sons are usually considered to be classical composers.[/QUOTE]

Of the big four late Baroque composers you're missing the great Jean-Philippe Rameau who was also active as a music theorist, arguably the most significant music theorist ever to have lived.

Any really good spanish influenced composers I could get into?

[QUOTE=PianoDan]Paganini has some classical guitar pieces if you want some older stuff. He lived late 1700s early 1800s, I believe. There are others from around that time but I'm not into classical guitar so I don't really know.

The Baroque Period:



I guess the harmonic complexity/emphasis on contrast is the important thing to note as far as music's development is concerned.[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ strongly. The most important things to note (so to speak) are the solidification of the major-minor system (replacing the modal system) and what I call "strong tonality" (usually rendered simply as tonality in contradistinction to modality). Strong tonality hinges on strong chord progression as eventually codified by the great Jean-Philippe Rameau. Classical music was a reaction to what were then perceived as Baroque music's excesses of CONTRAPUNTAL (not "harmonic") complexity and aesthetic expressionism. The theory work of Rameau put classical music on sure harmonic footing, facilitating its streamlining.

[QUOTE=ConcertoAm]I did a search on google and came up with this... [url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000015HD/qid=1128151594/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-7546672-6124756?v=glance&s=music[/url]

Go down to the track 'Drill of Death' an listen too it... I'm not sure if thats it though.[/QUOTE]

YES! that's it:D thank you so much, i just need to find out where i can download the full track from now:(

[QUOTE=rbv]Any really good spanish influenced composers I could get into?[/QUOTE]

Heitor Villa-Lobos is cool. He was Brazillian.
Fernando Sor as well. I believe he was Spanish.
Some of Maurice Ravel's music sounds almost Spanish.

[QUOTE=CabbageStabbage]Some of Maurice Ravel's music sounds almost Spanish.[/QUOTE]

No! Really? "Bolero" sounds ("almost") Spanish? It's a fascination, a fixation even, Ravel shared with Debussy and a number of other French composers.

[QUOTE=aaaaria]what is everyones favourite debussy peice[/QUOTE]

Anybody see the Beethoven "Pearls Before Swine" strip? Beethoven is attempting to compose "Fur Elise", and he is frustrated.

Beethoven: Oh, **** it. Why bother? I give up.
Beethoven's friend: You cannot say that Beethoven! Your music is beloved by all.
Beethoven: Maybe now it is, but it will soon be forgotten.
Friend: No, Beethoven, your music will be remembered. Two centuries from now it will still be heard.
Beethoven: Well, maybe by an elete, but I want to write music for the common man. I want to embrace the teeming millions.
Friend: You will, Beethoven! You will!
Beethoven: Okay, okay. Back to work.

Two centuries later:

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
"Hey, dude, your cellphone's ringing."
Rat: ****ing cellphones!

[QUOTE=Zappa]I'm very ignorant, considering where I should be. Some of my favorites are:

Igor Stravinsky
Aaron Copland
Edgard Varese
Maurice Ravel
Bela Bartok
Peter Tchaikovsky
Witold Lutoslawski
Richard Wagner
Claude Debussy[/QUOTE]
yea, i like bartok's Romanian Folk Dance... its 3rd movement is beautiful :thumb:

[QUOTE=Ned]Anybody see the Beethoven "Pearls Before Swine" strip? Beethoven is attempting to compose "Fur Elise", and he is frustrated.

Beethoven: Oh, **** it. Why bother? I give up.
Beethoven's friend: You cannot say that Beethoven! Your music is beloved by all.
Beethoven: Maybe now it is, but it will soon be forgotten.
Friend: No, Beethoven, your music will be remembered. Two centuries from now it will still be heard.
Beethoven: Well, maybe by an elete, but I want to write music for the common man. I want to embrace the teeming millions.
Friend: You will, Beethoven! You will!
Beethoven: Okay, okay. Back to work.

Two centuries later:

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
"Hey, dude, your cellphone's ringing."
Rat: ****ing cellphones![/QUOTE]
:lol:

So true.

Dvorak's 9th Symphony (a.k.a. Symphony Of The New World) is niceness, especially the last part, bombastic and stuff.

I've re-discovered "Finlandia" by Sibelius. I played it with an orchestra last year. The bass part is very upfront, and the piece as a whole is very well written.

I'm not totally sure if this fits in, but has anyone played or heard any of Francis McBeth's pieces? He writes predominately for wind bands, and with my school not really having any string players (one bass, and like 3 violins) band is the only real opportunity for pseudo-classical stuffs. anyways, I think his best pieces are "Masque" and "Scaramouche"

[QUOTE=aaaaria]what is everyones favourite debussy peice[/QUOTE]

claire de lune definentely

nuages too

[QUOTE=LF96]Dvorak's 9th Symphony (a.k.a. Symphony Of The New World) is niceness, especially the last part, bombastic and stuff.[/QUOTE]

you should hear it played by Yama****a on a classical guitar :amaze:

[QUOTE=Diatonic Dissonance?]:lol:

So true.[/QUOTE]

hey um... you play piano right? if i send you my "composition for piano" would you play it? or even record it?

maybe i can try and do something for you then...

*bump*

I noticed Mozart's Requiem mentioned a few times, back a page. I've recently been introduced to it properly.

Last week I saw Beethoven's 9th in concert. Great stuff, though the soprano was sharp. There was also a work by Charlies Ives, "Central Park in the Dark", and some music from the opera "Mer de Glace" by Australian Richard Meale.

Then on Friday I saw Handel's Messiah. My friend was in the Chorale. They had a countertenor instead of an alto, and even though he had a nice voice and everything, I just find it a bit strange to listen to and would prefer seeing a woman sing the alto part.

First Post. I know it.

Anyway, Gustav Holst is one of my favorite composers.
Obviously, my favorite part of "The Planets" is the opening;
Mars, bringer of war. Are there other works that have the
same "power"? I've never heard such a massive sounding
orchestra. That may be a problem. It doesnt even have to be
by Holst. See, I've been into metal for the past few years, but
there are only so many ways that metal can show emotion.
It gets extremely boring after a while. Then I began to listen
to Classical. Even anger is conveyed so much better than metal
could possibly try. But all rambling aside, my question still stands.

[QUOTE=Ned]I beg to differ strongly. The most important things to note (so to speak) are the solidification of the major-minor system (replacing the modal system) and what I call "strong tonality" (usually rendered simply as tonality in contradistinction to modality). Strong tonality hinges on strong chord progression as eventually codified by the great Jean-Philippe Rameau. Classical music was a reaction to what were then perceived as Baroque music's excesses of CONTRAPUNTAL (not "harmonic") complexity and aesthetic expressionism. The theory work of Rameau put classical music on sure harmonic footing, facilitating its streamlining.[/QUOTE]


Are you getting that from a book? Man you sound like the Dean at my uni.

A translation for the common people:

"Nah. The important thing was to set out the major and minor keys to use instead of modes. And Rameau used chord progressions to use get the tonality right and help set out the major and minor tonalities. Classical music was a reaction to Baroque's contrapuntal music which was hard and written because it was based more on the theory behind how to write it rather than what it sounded like. Rameau started the ball rolling."

Well done, your translation made less sense.

[QUOTE=lateralus778]First Post. I know it.

Anyway, Gustav Holst is one of my favorite composers.
Obviously, my favorite part of "The Planets" is the opening;
Mars, bringer of war. Are there other works that have the
same "power"? I've never heard such a massive sounding
orchestra. That may be a problem. It doesnt even have to be
by Holst. See, I've been into metal for the past few years, but
there are only so many ways that metal can show emotion.
It gets extremely boring after a while. Then I began to listen
to Classical. Even anger is conveyed so much better than metal
could possibly try. But all rambling aside, my question still stands.[/QUOTE]

You'd probably be best off looking into the late Romantic and twentieth century composers. Listen to Carl Orff's Carmina Burana, and specifically O Fortuna. If you listen to a lot of metal, I think you'd get a kick out of some of the more dissonant twentieth century compositions like Stravinsky's The Rites of Spring (heck, its premiere started a riot!). For more 'powerful' composers, check out Beethoven (later period), Wagner (if you're feeling up to opera), Shostakovich, or Mahler.

[QUOTE=metal guitar]Well done, your translation made less sense.[/QUOTE]


Thanks! :p


I'm sorry if the post seemed rude. I didn't mean it to be. It's just that I had students who'd read a paragraph like that in a book and have no idea what it means. I'm forever having to simplify stuff like that for students and I'm surprised anyone actually speaks like that. The only person I know who does is the Dean at uni.

[QUOTE=Roses_and_Ribbons]Thanks! :p


I'm sorry if the post seemed rude. I didn't mean it to be. It's just that I had students who'd read a paragraph like that in a book and have no idea what it means. I'm forever having to simplify stuff like that for students and I'm surprised anyone actually speaks like that. The only person I know who does is the Dean at uni.[/QUOTE]
That's ok, it's just Ned's post made perfect sense to me.

Dying Fetus are curently working on a new CD!

[QUOTE=Hardhat]Dying Fetus are curently working on a new CD![/QUOTE]

I hope it's better than Stop at nothing, i heard "one shot, one kill" and it's possibly the most annoying track on the earth. I have to wait until i hear what my firends have to say before i buy this "new" one. By the way, Nile is by far the best death metal band IMO; I'm seeing them with Decapitated and Hypocrisy on the 26th :thumb:
But, doesnt this belong in the metal forum? hmm, maybe you were seeing if it would upset anyone...

[QUOTE=Roses_and_Ribbons]Thanks! :p


I'm sorry if the post seemed rude. I didn't mean it to be. It's just that I had students who'd read a paragraph like that in a book and have no idea what it means. I'm forever having to simplify stuff like that for students and I'm surprised anyone actually speaks like that. The only person I know who does is the Dean at uni.[/QUOTE]


hey wtf chaz is such a cool guy :p

[QUOTE=aria4]hey wtf chaz is such a cool guy :p[/QUOTE]

Oh don't get me wrong, Charlie's a nice person and all that, but he does go on a bit. I had him teach me for Rhythm in the 20th Century.

[quote=Zappa]I'm very ignorant, considering where I should be. Some of my favorites are:

Igor Stravinsky
Aaron Copland
Edgard Varese
Maurice Ravel
Bela Bartok
Peter Tchaikovsky
Witold Lutoslawski
Richard Wagner
Claude Debussy[/quote]

Hi All!
I am new to the forum but I agree with Zappa about being ignorant. The more pieces I listen to, the more I realize how little I have heard. Current favorite is Mahler but love Tchaikovsky as well as Bach (especially the fugues) and thoroughly enjoy most classical as well as film music, old rock and roll etc. :wave:

I'm interested in expanding my classical music listening but I'm not sure where to go. I've listened to a lot Bach and Mozart and although they are good, I would prefer something less mechanical. For example, I think Schubert's eight symphony is fantastic. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Romantic period classical, Beethoven was the first but he still might be a little mechanical sounding scince he was the first to come out of the baroque, try Strauss, Mendelssohn, Chopin's piano sonatas are great if you like solo stuff too, Tchaikovsky, Isaac Albeniz.