hey anyone, where to look for falsetto screaming tips?

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will it be to hard to do screams,sing and play at the same time if i play and sing stuff like slipknot,lamb of god,bleeding through,metallica,chimaira?

Yo.
JESUS this thread is helping.. Seriously merkaba thanx alot man
Allow me to introduce myself..
I'm 17, a bassist, i recently started singing.. like 6 months ago.. I have no clue what my range is.. i can sing some theater of tragedy, evanescence, lacuna coil, Within temptations, two nightwish songs (FINALLY!!!), Lullacry, some mariah carey (random i know)..
I just need some help in staying on key.. and i started strengthening.. :) hehe.. U mentioned sumthing about stayin on key.. a program or something? in another thread............??

There's a fantastic non-financial prize for the first person who can sing "the great gig in the sky" to me.

merkaba, i need help. i read most of your screaming articles. i still dont know if im doing it right. when i scream, im like, whispering, but yelling it. it doesnt FEEL like its hurting me, but im not sure. it sounds right, but im not sure if its safe. is that the right thing, or should i hire a vocal instructor?

[QUOTE=PunkyMcEmo]merkaba, i need help. i read most of your screaming articles. i still dont know if im doing it right. when i scream, im like, whispering, but yelling it. it doesnt FEEL like its hurting me, but im not sure. it sounds right, but im not sure if its safe. is that the right thing, or should i hire a vocal instructor?[/QUOTE]
if it sounds good and it's comfortable, what are you worried about? just make sure you warm up and warm down. note how you feel after like an hour or a few after singing/screaming. if it's normal, there's probably nothing to worry about...

Yeah ummm...I decided that I was gonnna sing and record and post it up so maybe u guys can hear me and maybe see what I have to work on. I started singing not too long ago, so please forgive the horribleness, I can assure you, I play guitar much better than I sing hehe. So yeah if maybe Merkaba can give some tips. This is me trying to sing the begginging from Eriatarka by Mars Volta. Some falsetto is in there, I dunno just tell me what you think. thanks...

[url]http://www.geocities.com/mookow8621/me.mp3[/url]

I'm just trying to figure out like, how do you increase the range of your chest voice? I wanna sing high like Cedric but without the falsetto, are there techniques I can practice so that i can be able to do this?

Merkaba.... please help!

I'm 16, and have been singing for about a year and a half now. ive gotten far better than i thought i would, but thats beside the point. ive always loosely followed a warmup routine, and never had any troubles with my voice until now...

a couple days ago i noticed a small lump in the center of my throat above my adams apple, but more on the edge of where my jaw starts out to my chin. it seems everytime i sing, (or even warm up!!) it becomes irritated and hurts. when i swallow, it hurts.

could this be a vocal cord polyp? im so scared that ill lose my singing voice and all the work i've done during this time. and i definately dont want surgery or anything. to rule some things out, i dont smoke, and even though my mom did when i lived with her, she did it outside. the only place outside singing where i would strain my voice is work, in a kitchen.

this is so scary. please tell me this could be something else before i decide i have to go to a doctor.

thanks very much.
-brad

[QUOTE=moaner]There's a fantastic non-financial prize for the first person who can sing "the great gig in the sky" to me.[/QUOTE]

The what?

[QUOTE=LleWeLLyN]The what?[/QUOTE]

its a song by pink floyd with a girl singing all gospel-y

[QUOTE=bradmac]Merkaba.... please help!

I'm 16, and have been singing for about a year and a half now. ive gotten far better than i thought i would, but thats beside the point. ive always loosely followed a warmup routine, and never had any troubles with my voice until now...

a couple days ago i noticed a small lump in the center of my throat above my adams apple, but more on the edge of where my jaw starts out to my chin. it seems everytime i sing, (or even warm up!!) it becomes irritated and hurts. when i swallow, it hurts.

could this be a vocal cord polyp? im so scared that ill lose my singing voice and all the work i've done during this time. and i definately dont want surgery or anything. to rule some things out, i dont smoke, and even though my mom did when i lived with her, she did it outside. the only place outside singing where i would strain my voice is work, in a kitchen.

this is so scary. please tell me this could be something else before i decide i have to go to a doctor.

thanks very much.
-brad[/QUOTE]
I'm betting you've irritated the soft palet in the back of your throat with all the jetting air. But to be honest with what you've said Its just too hard to know. If you can feel a lump, its probably not on your cords. Its hard to feel anything on your cords. How do you know its a lump?

[URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336354]Killing my falsetto[/URL]

I made this topic before. Could you help me out with what the problem is?

Is it me being a naiive sh** for not warming up and having a bottle of water at hand, or is is my technique? (Note: I stopped tightening any muscles but I still get the same sound. I have no pain whatsoever, nor do I feel any other form of irritation. It's basically just my falsetto that stops working for some time. And I don't scream from the gut.. which is I guess a huge mistake)

Also.

That falsetto scream is basically just... a mix of making my voice raspy with the soft pallet and singing in falsetto, right? And, if I want to do that scream, I just have to learn to "open" my throat more to get more air through it using my diapragm, right?

So.. let's say. Lamb Of God's vocalist. His lower stuff is just simply lowering his voice and adding a rasp with his soft pallet and the high parts the falsetto scream as you described it?

[QUOTE=Kosta][URL=http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336354]Killing my falsetto[/URL]

I made this topic before. Could you help me out with what the problem is?

Is it me being a naiive sh** for not warming up and having a bottle of water at hand, or is is my technique? (Note: I stopped tightening any muscles but I still get the same sound. I have no pain whatsoever, nor do I feel any other form of irritation. It's basically just my falsetto that stops working for some time. And I don't scream from the gut.. which is I guess a huge mistake)

Also.

That falsetto scream is basically just... a mix of making my voice raspy with the soft pallet and singing in falsetto, right? And, if I want to do that scream, I just have to learn to "open" my throat more to get more air through it using my diapragm, right?

So.. let's say. Lamb Of God's vocalist. His lower stuff is just simply lowering his voice and adding a rasp with his soft pallet and the high parts the falsetto scream as you described it?[/QUOTE]
Wake up tomorrow morning, put your clothes on, some shoe's, and go do 6 one hundred yard dashes with 45 seconds rest in between each one. Sound foolish? Chino didnt warm up...course he smoke and drank..but he paralyzed on cord and partially paralyzed the other and was about to be without a job! Wouldnt that suck. To go from platinum to no job because you didnt like to warm up? Warm up. Remember you can be doing alot of stuff while youre walking to your car or here and there throughout the day. Granted, though, it wont take the place of a good gradual nomral singing voice warm up, but it will still help.
If you say ahh..then drop your chin a bit and open up like youre saying ahh in an opera voice...this is about as open as youre gonna get. Alot of raspy screams that sound like falsetto are head voice, heavily rasped. Its just so distorted that it sounds like its static. But its basically a closed off palet. I dont know Lamb of God right off the bat. But I havent heard a scream that is any different than Chad from mudvayne..i use that example because i know mudvayne. He doesnt really get too high. and uses alot of head, and not as much falsetto. You can do that more when playing in B or whatever they play in...a lower key, Deftones in C per se. Is all the same and theres not much you can do with the throat and cords except to develop your foundation so that you can strengthen whatever it is you can come up with. The cords come together, you push air on them and they vibrate and give off puffs of air each time they open and close(hundred or two times a second), then you try to bank these puffs of air off the back of your palet. Dont forget that lessons are always an option. Post a sample if you can.

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Hi merkaba!

I wanna start off by thanking you for all your great posts. I recently sang a little in a band and thought it would be really cool to be able to scream like alot of singers do, so i started searching and it got me here. I have reading almost all your stuff and just started practicing. I feel like I'm on the right track, listening to your instructions. I doesn't sound all that good yet, but I'm not expecting miracles. Anyhow, I had some questions:
The main thing I want to be able to do is sing really dark, like the singer of opeth, but it feel kinda hard to go for that right away.. so I have started out by trying to get just a raspy scream, any kind of scream. Is that a good way to go, learn the basic and then develope something from it? Or are there a big difference doing a opeth like growl, so I should start aiming for that right away?

Secondly I've been singing in a chorus for quite some yeers, not anymore, but atleast I got some singing technique left from it. I havn't had any trouble with pain but I feel a little like when you've been pushing your voice and singing for quite a time, but much faster then when singing normally. My range decrease and I get bigger problems relaxing the more I go on. I've only actually practiced screaming 2 times now, and both times gone for somewhere between 40-50 minutes. Both times I've also been a little soor afterwards, but still no pain. I was thinking it could be coused by me not doing right all the time, but since I don't feel any pain while I'm singing, do you think it's alright?

I'm gonna try to record some screams, maybe you could listen to them and see if I'm on the right track? I a little worried I'm trying to learn the wrong way and may be damaging my voice.

If it matters, I'm 19 years old.. when is your voice fully developed? :rolleyes:

Another thing, to describe what it feels like I'm doing when I try to create my rasp is that I push my airflow backwards towards the back of my thoat, somewhat helping with my tounge, and kinda raising the back of my throat a little. Atleast that's what I think I'm doing. :lol:

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Wake up tomorrow morning, put your clothes on, some shoe's, and go do 6 one hundred yard dashes with 45 seconds rest in between each one. Sound foolish? Chino didnt warm up...course he smoke and drank..but he paralyzed on cord and partially paralyzed the other and was about to be without a job! Wouldnt that suck. To go from platinum to no job because you didnt like to warm up? Warm up. Remember you can be doing alot of stuff while youre walking to your car or here and there throughout the day. Granted, though, it wont take the place of a good gradual nomral singing voice warm up, but it will still help.
If you say ahh..then drop your chin a bit and open up like youre saying ahh in an opera voice...this is about as open as youre gonna get. Alot of raspy screams that sound like falsetto are head voice, heavily rasped. Its just so distorted that it sounds like its static. But its basically a closed off palet. I dont know Lamb of God right off the bat. But I havent heard a scream that is any different than Chad from mudvayne..i use that example because i know mudvayne. He doesnt really get too high. and uses alot of head, and not as much falsetto. You can do that more when playing in B or whatever they play in...a lower key, Deftones in C per se. Is all the same and theres not much you can do with the throat and cords except to develop your foundation so that you can strengthen whatever it is you can come up with. The cords come together, you push air on them and they vibrate and give off puffs of air each time they open and close(hundred or two times a second), then you try to bank these puffs of air off the back of your palet. Dont forget that lessons are always an option. Post a sample if you can.[/QUOTE]


Sooooo. Basically. It's all because I'm [b]not[/b] warming up that I kill my falsetto?

[QUOTE=Krao]Hi merkaba!

I wanna start off by thanking you for all your great posts. I recently sang a little in a band and thought it would be really cool to be able to scream like alot of singers do, so i started searching and it got me here. I have reading almost all your stuff and just started practicing. I feel like I'm on the right track, listening to your instructions. I doesn't sound all that good yet, but I'm not expecting miracles. Anyhow, I had some questions:
The main thing I want to be able to do is sing really dark, like the singer of opeth, but it feel kinda hard to go for that right away.. so I have started out by trying to get just a raspy scream, any kind of scream. Is that a good way to go, learn the basic and then develope something from it? Or are there a big difference doing a opeth like growl, so I should start aiming for that right away?

Secondly I've been singing in a chorus for quite some yeers, not anymore, but atleast I got some singing technique left from it. I havn't had any trouble with pain but I feel a little like when you've been pushing your voice and singing for quite a time, but much faster then when singing normally. My range decrease and I get bigger problems relaxing the more I go on. I've only actually practiced screaming 2 times now, and both times gone for somewhere between 40-50 minutes. Both times I've also been a little soor afterwards, but still no pain. I was thinking it could be coused by me not doing right all the time, but since I don't feel any pain while I'm singing, do you think it's alright?

I'm gonna try to record some screams, maybe you could listen to them and see if I'm on the right track? I a little worried I'm trying to learn the wrong way and may be damaging my voice.

If it matters, I'm 19 years old.. when is your voice fully developed? :rolleyes:

Another thing, to describe what it feels like I'm doing when I try to create my rasp is that I push my airflow backwards towards the back of my thoat, somewhat helping with my tounge, and kinda raising the back of my throat a little. Atleast that's what I think I'm doing. :lol:[/QUOTE]


i would really like to hear your scream and the technique you described to use to make the rasp. also merkaba, id like to hear the heavily rasped head voice scream you were describing.

thanks.

[QUOTE=Kosta]Sooooo. Basically. It's all because I'm [b]not[/b] warming up that I kill my falsetto?[/QUOTE]
Its hard to say, but its not a good thing to do. When you dont warm up your cords will swell waaaay faster than they would if more limber. To go falsetto you have to thin the cords, as you pull them and stretch them. If they are swollen they will just not be able to get thinner and stretch. Easily logical.
are you losing all of your falsetto or just your really high notes? I bet youre squezzing your larynx up, its just so common. Post a sample if you can.

[QUOTE=lloydapalooza]i would really like to hear your scream and the technique you described to use to make the rasp. also merkaba, id like to hear the heavily rasped head voice scream you were describing.

thanks.[/QUOTE]
Well i'm planning on posting a few more samples sometime soon. I have some up in the jams session community thread if you havent checked them out yet.

Maybe I'll just try to rasp a gilss through my whole usable range. Never tried it before. Maybe a regular gliss..then one with rasp. And maybe pause at the breaks between chest to head to falsetto.
There were a few other requests as well. Regular singing, and high and low notes, and a falsetto transitioning to a raspy falsetto. Any others?

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Its hard to say, but its not a good thing to do. When you dont warm up your cords will swell waaaay faster than they would if more limber. To go falsetto you have to thin the cords, as you pull them and stretch them. If they are swollen they will just not be able to get thinner and stretch. Easily logical.
are you losing all of your falsetto or just your really high notes? I bet youre squezzing your larynx up, its just so common. Post a sample if you can.[/QUOTE]


Post a sample of my falsetto after my screaming? K will try.

Also, I read some of your instructions. If I want more air to pass through my throat, for my scream, I basically, have to learn how to isolate my vocal chords? Like.. when I yawn, my adams apple lowers so I can let more air pass through. That's what you said, right?

What would be the absolute best way to practice that?

I'm sorry I bitch so much, but I'm really the worst at what I'm doing in my band (but, I'm also the most creative of them all and the creative mind behind the band), and I don't want to quit my band, but, I also don't want to be the reason that the band isn't as great as it could be..

Yea you have to be able to isolate the cord muscles from the larynx muscles. The yawning larynx and swallowing larynx are just examples to show whats going on. You need the larynx down to let air pass, but you dont want to feel like youre having to hold it down. My isolation thread describes it a little better. Remember that the cords are horizontal, and practice melodies and singing without moving your face or jaw...and put your finger on your larynx(dont press hard) to see if youre squeezing it up. It will move a bit but you dont want it jumping up like youre swallowing. And dont over push your wind. Do some normal singing like opera style to get a feel for it.

hi, Merkaba-1 can you please listen to this, and give me some feedback what I need to work on, to not suck so bad as I do now...

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=2396263&q=Lo[/url]
and [url]http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=2396257&q=Lo[/url]

Any advice would be sweet to get. Dont suger coat it , give me the cold hard truth :)
do I have any chance to ever learn to sing or am I a lost cause.

Somebody please give me some pointers.

Ok, got some recording done today.

[url]http://www.forsmark.uu.se/~fs03olsa/sound/[/url]

There are 3 samples.
Scream_low.mp3 is somewhere in the middle of my range
Scream_high.mp3 is a falsetto
Scream_dark.mp3 is kinda as low as i can go

I recorded the stuff the 3rd time I've praticed screaming, so don't expect much of it guys. Anyways, Merkaba, I don't think it sound any good or cool yet, but I'm on the right track beeing able to do that without pain? I managed to get through this training session without any soar throat afterwards, as I said in my earlier post (maybe you missed it?), so I guess that's good.

If you ask me the falsetto thing sounds like crap. How do you make your falsetto sound so cool? I've been exprementing some with more or less cord activation, but the falsetto thing is just really hard. I've noticed I tend to be less relaxed in my throat when doing it aswell. On the dark sample i try to use a very small amount of cord activation, but what I'm really after is to sound like the opeth singer, any pointers there?

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Yea you have to be able to isolate the cord muscles from the larynx muscles. The yawning larynx and swallowing larynx are just examples to show whats going on. You need the larynx down to let air pass, but you dont want to feel like youre having to hold it down. My isolation thread describes it a little better. Remember that the cords are horizontal, and practice melodies and singing without moving your face or jaw...and put your finger on your larynx(dont press hard) to see if youre squeezing it up. It will move a bit but you dont want it jumping up like youre swallowing. And dont over push your wind. Do some normal singing like opera style to get a feel for it.[/QUOTE]


I still have no idea how that works, and I already read that topic. I just.. can't do it. And I'm still trying. And I sure as hell am not giving up.

All I can do is get a raspy scream that lasts for 10 seconds at best, but, that's about it. And I can't record it properly with this mic, or else, I would've done it. It distorts too much.

The type of scream I was orginally going for was [URL=http://convergecult.com/videos/view.php?video=ebv&w=360&h=240]this(click)[/URL]. It's a Converge video. How does the guy do it? He makes it look so easy.

And how do I know that I do scream from the gut? I inhale a lot of air, and my stomache swells as I do that, while standing. And I then relesse it in my scream. But, that of course means nothing.

But, I remember, I once did something, that made me release a lot of pretty fast flowing air for 20 seconds or so. And don't know how I did that. But it did feel different.

check out the the the fall of troy's screams, theyre nuts

[url]http://myspace.com/thefalloftroy[/url]

also check out circle takes the square's screams

[url]http://www.calamityproject.com/dmp/cttsflash/ctts_player.html[/url]

saetia has some pretty interesting screams too but i cant find any songs online

so far all i've seen on the forums are how to screem like emo or death metal bands, can any tell post on how to some classic screems?

like a Roger Daltery sceem in "Love Reign O'er me" or "Won't Get Fooled Again"
or an Ian Gillan screem, Cris Cornell, Robert Plant????

i think classic screams are just rasped head voices and maybe some rasped falsetto

[QUOTE=lloydapalooza]i think classic screams are just rasped head voices and maybe some rasped falsetto[/QUOTE]


Hey Lloyd:
I listened to your 2 scream links.
Those guys are good, but man, they wrecking their voices. Although they are holding back on raw power, they are using their throats, to produce that kind of raspy effect, and it can cause lots of damage over the years.

I have been doing a very high end upper range falsetto scream for years, ala Rob Halford, or Geoff Tate, and the trick to that , because it is actually a scream, kinda like the chicks in horror movies uses...lol
but...it is also sculpted into a note, and you have to use your thoat and diapham to learn to constrict the scream, otherwise you can blow out your voice doing this type of scream also....
next week, I will try to record some various screams that I can do & i'll post them on here...
Singing hard rock alone is difficult enough, but when your screaming night after night on a live tour, you can imagine how hard that is. it's like the Olympics, you voice has to be trained, and ready to do that level of singing.
Jay Link

[QUOTE=JayLink]you have to use your thoat and diapham to learn to constrict the scream, otherwise you can blow out your voice doing this type of scream[/QUOTE]

i've been told that in music class a lot, and teachers always train you to use falsetto when you go into a high register (it's almost second nature now) - this however gives a "feminine" characteristic to the high pitches that i want to get rid of.

As far as classic (rock) singers, i always thought that they carried their chest voice into head, and that's how they get that "aggressive" tone?

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Anyone wanna say something about my earlier post ? please :upset:
I need some advice, come on guys.. :)