Shoot, I like all three of those bands. :p

I like TMV, Big fan of Frances the Mute. One of my all time favorite albums.

[QUOTE=Otherside]I can honestly say that I cannot listen to Metallica under virtually any circumstance. They arn't heavy, the guitar parts are not good, Lars is awful, they mix the bass out of the songs, and james is a pretty stupid guy. Plus the whole Napster deal was retarded.


But back on topic: Tool would never release a CD called 10,000 days. k.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but I have to defend my 'Tallica.

They aren't heavy? I don't even see how you can justify that. Same goes for the guitar parts. Metallica have written some great guitar parts.

Lars [i]is[/i] awful however. 100% agreed. Same with the bass thing.

I don't think James is stupid at all, and I'd like to hear why you think so.

The Napster thing may have gotten out of hand, but the whole thing wasn't retarded. The MI:2 single I Disappear was leaked onto Napster and Metallica couldn't stand that people had already heard it before the premier. So they sued. I can understand hating album leaks.

[QUOTE=Huber]Sorry, but I have to defend my 'Tallica.

They aren't heavy? I don't even see how you can justify that. Same goes for the guitar parts. Metallica have written some great guitar parts.

Lars [i]is[/i] awful however. 100% agreed. Same with the bass thing.

I don't think James is stupid at all, and I'd like to hear why you think so.

The Napster thing may have gotten out of hand, but the whole thing wasn't retarded. The MI:2 single I Disappear was leaked onto Napster and Metallica couldn't stand that people had already heard it before the premier. So they sued. I can understand hating album leaks.[/QUOTE]

I love album leaks. Yarr. I don't buy anything.

I agree with the guy you replied to.

I don't think Metallica's guitar work is anywhere near great. I could play it after 6 months of playing guitar, just fine. It's simple. Very simple.
They just come across as money hungry jerks. Most bands would prefer their music be bought, not downloaded. However most don't throw a fit like a five year old and sue. :p

Tool related:
Anyone know what the new album will be like? I'm not much of a fan anymore but I'll give it a listen for sure...See where they have gone with their sound.

[quote=Huber]Sorry, but I have to defend my 'Tallica.

They aren't heavy? I don't even see how you can justify that. Same goes for the guitar parts. Metallica have written some great guitar parts.

Lars [I]is[/I] awful however. 100% agreed. Same with the bass thing.

I don't think James is stupid at all, and I'd like to hear why you think so.

The Napster thing may have gotten out of hand, but the whole thing wasn't retarded. The MI:2 single I Disappear was leaked onto Napster and Metallica couldn't stand that people had already heard it before the premier. So they sued. I can understand hating album leaks.[/quote]
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that is why I hate metallica. I grew up on them, in fact, for my 14th bday i got Justice, the justice Tab book, my first guitar (series 10 v) and a gorilla amp. So they were there from the beginning. But I can't stand them now. They were my fist concert ever, and I loved playing their music. After black though, they became famous and really big douches, At least Lars did, and everyone else fell in line. There is something so UNMETAL about sueing people. They have lost my respect forever.

Is the Tool thread or a Metallica bashing thread?

Anyway, Metallica is one of the most influential Metal bands ever, Kill'em all was an extreme record when it was released and Puppets was groundbreaking.

You can like them or not, it's personal preference anyway, but they are one of the most important bands of the last 20 years, noone can deny that.

Tool related:

The message of 10.000 days is online again, so it's probably the real album name

[url]http://www.10000-days.com/[/url]

Heh a fan site already.

[QUOTE=Huber]Sorry, but I have to defend my 'Tallica.

They aren't heavy? I don't even see how you can justify that. Same goes for the guitar parts. Metallica have written some great guitar parts.

Lars [i]is[/i] awful however. 100% agreed. Same with the bass thing.

I don't think James is stupid at all, and I'd like to hear why you think so.

The Napster thing may have gotten out of hand, but the whole thing wasn't retarded. The MI:2 single I Disappear was leaked onto Napster and Metallica couldn't stand that people had already heard it before the premier. So they sued. I can understand hating album leaks.[/QUOTE]


Listen to Necrophagist or Wormed and then tell me Metallica are "heavy". If I was interested in guitars(which I'm really not), then I would listen to John Petrucci or Joe Satriani, both of which can run Kirk and James around in circles on a guitar.

James wrote a song about suicide after having his equipment stolen.


'Nuff said.



The Napster deal was ridiculous. Lars was in it for the money, and he shows it without restraint by suing fans that completely supported them and had bought all the previous albums, and just wanted to hear the single of their new cd early. But I guess Lars doesn't care about his fans.
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So let's talk about them Academy Awards!
I'm glad Brokeback didn't win, but I was sincerly hoping Goodnight and Goodluck would have one :(

Oh well I guess beggars can't be choosers.


Edit: Oh and TMV are great, for the record.

[QUOTE=Blizzink]I'm not sure if I have the ability to get to the MSHA showcase. Mostly because I'm lazy and sick.[/QUOTE]



i love your avatar :D


as far as Metallica "sucking", they are extremely influential. Regardless if you like THEIR music, you like music that was influenced by them

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]i love your avatar :D


as far as Metallica "sucking", they are extremely influential. Regardless if you like THEIR music, you like music that was influenced by them[/QUOTE]

Except that Iron Maiden were about 500 times more influential.


And actually I seriously doubt Metallica influenced any band I listen too, if anything I guess you could claim Opeth, but even then...

i think thats a fairly nieve approach to the matter. Regardless of the fact that i barely like their music, I can respect them for what they are worth.


I think when you start going into pseudo-political issues with bands, you are taking it a little too far.

[QUOTE=Moses]Yeah Metallica and SOAD are two bands that I know you loathe, and I think TMV too. I like SOAD and TMV though, and I like Master of Puppets from Metallica.[/QUOTE]

Metallica have a handful of good songs that i've heard. I quite like Nothing Else Matters, One and For Whom the Bell Tolls, Am I Evil, too. Fade to Black is half decent, and I thought their cover of Whiskey in a Jar was good. Oh, and the song Master of Puppets is a classic, if a little long. Overall though, I've given a few of their albums chances, and find them a little bit boring if the truth be told. I might give some more of their stuff a chance later on.

SOAD... I used to like when I was like 15/16 and sort of grew out of. I've been meaning to get their new albums though, i've heard bits and pieces that interested me.

TMV are an amazing band. I love Deloused, bar Drunkenship of the Lanterns, which oddly does little for me, even being a drummer. Frances the Mute, i've come to the conclusion, has some of their best songs, and worst. The first 4 tracks are absolutely amazing, bar the "ambience". After that point I feel it sort of goes into wank city a little, and the songs become too free form and lose a lot of melody/structure for me, it all becomes a bit too messy overall.

As for the new Tool album title? It's a fake. I mean... I've thought about it, but it's just a joke in the vein of Maynard finding God. 10,000 days, 10,000 fists? Taking 10,000 days to release an album? I mean, come on. I just won't believe it til the album's in my hands.

Like Metallica or not, you can't deny they played a big part in bringing metal to the mainstream, hence introducing millions of fans to the genre. Pretty much any metal fan you meet will tell you that they liked and listened to Metallica at some point in time, even if they don't listen to them now. That alone makes them influential.

For me Soad peaked, and died with toxicity. I rather think 95% of the music afterwards is pretty bunk.


Its really hard for me to get into TMV tbh

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]i think thats a fairly nieve approach to the matter. Regardless of the fact that i barely like their music, I can respect them for what they are worth.


I think when you start going into pseudo-political issues with bands, you are taking it a little too far.[/QUOTE]

Well that's your opinion I guess, I just don't see the logic in awarding them with some kind of profound influence, when in reality only a few current bands can claim a direct relationship to them.

And I don't know what you're talking about with the second line, so I won't comment I guess.

[QUOTE=Otherside]Well that's your opinion I guess, I just don't see the logic in awarding them with some kind of profound influence, when in reality only a few current bands can claim a direct relationship to them.

And I don't know what you're talking about with the second line, so I won't comment I guess.[/QUOTE]

i was talking about the whole Napster thing really...


I personally dont agree with it, bt not listening to a band for some BS like that really misses the mark imo. Refuse to listen because you dislike the music, not for their stance on a particular issue. Obviously this doesnt apply to your stance, im saying generally speaking

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]i was talking about the whole Napster thing really...


I personally dont agree with it, bt not listening to a band for some BS like that really misses the mark imo. Refuse to listen because you dislike the music, not for their stance on a particular issue. Obviously this doesnt apply to your stance, im saying generally speaking[/QUOTE]

Why is it off the mark? I wouldn't listen to a band that was overtly racist, for example. I might say the music was decent, but I still wouldn't listen to them.

Anyway, Metallica's music isn't that amazing to begin with, for the most part. Other bands write better songs, Metallica don't have to be liked by everyone who's into metal. I know i've never been really into them.

i think bands and polotics shouldnt mix, hence my belief

[QUOTE=Otherside]Listen to Necrophagist or Wormed and then tell me Metallica are "heavy". If I was interested in guitars(which I'm really not), then I would listen to John Petrucci or Joe Satriani, both of which can run Kirk and James around in circles on a guitar.
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Saying another band is heavier, or another guitarist is better to say one isn't heavy at all or good at all is a terrible argument. It doesn't prove anything.

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]i think bands and polotics shouldnt mix, hence my belief[/QUOTE]

So you would willing listen to a hypothetical band that supported rape, murder, racism, etc. and support them by buying their CD's or showing up to shows, even if the music was "good".

[QUOTE=Shadius]So you would willing listen to a hypothetical band that supported rape, murder, racism, etc. and support them by buying their CD's or showing up to shows, even if the music was "good".[/QUOTE]



if i liked their music, i wouldnt care about that other, superfluous sh!t. Im not saying id have em over for tea

[QUOTE=Shadius]So you would willing listen to a hypothetical band that supported rape, murder, racism, etc. and support them by buying their CD's or showing up to shows, even if the music was "good".[/QUOTE]

Everyone in the world can stop supporting them, and I bet the band would still think that way.

thats like saying i can't listen to Michael Jackson's music, even tho he inappropriately touched little boys. I can respect the music, and abhor the man

[QUOTE=Shadius]TMV are an amazing band. I love Deloused, bar Drunkenship of the Lanterns.[/Quote]

Drunkship is one of if not my favourite on Deloused.

I've never really properly liked Metallica. I bought And Justice, kept me entertained for a few weeks but it doesn't have a re-listen value which something like Lateralus does.

[QUOTE=Huber]Saying another band is heavier, or another guitarist is better to say one isn't heavy at all or good at all is a terrible argument. It doesn't prove anything.[/QUOTE]

What? If something sets a paradigm, a standard that I believe to be the definition of heavy, and another band doesn't meet it, then, by the standards of the other band, they are not heavy. It's not a hard string of logic to follow :\


[QUOTE=Che Guevara]thats like saying i can't listen to Michael Jackson's music, even tho he inappropriately touched little boys. I can respect the music, and abhor the man[/QUOTE]

But then again MJ has never been found guilty and only actually prosecuted a few times, and a case has never had any real evidence to speak of.

Metallica on the other hand openly sued their own loyal fans for money. That's just straight bulls[SIZE="2"]h[/SIZE]it.

If a band has severe views that I don't agree with, I don't generally listen to them. Probably why I don't enjoy old-school punk as much as my other friends do.

[QUOTE=Shadius]TMV are an amazing band. I love Deloused, bar Drunkenship of the Lanterns, which oddly does little for me, even being a drummer. Frances the Mute, i've come to the conclusion, has some of their best songs, and worst. The first 4 tracks are absolutely amazing, bar the "ambience". After that point I feel it sort of goes into wank city a little, and the songs become too free form and lose a lot of melody/structure for me, it all becomes a bit too messy overall.[/QUOTE]
Drunkenship of the Lanterns is what caught my ear immediately, especially for the drumming. It's got alot of good latin jazz stuff in there.

Metallica, Michael Jackson, and TMV. Three things I wouldn't expect to read about on a Tool Forum. To each his own..

Ah! I actually checked out that fans 10,000 Days website, and he actually had an interesting article there. I haven't seen the article here yet so here we go..

Taken from Sound Rock Magazine:
[QUOTE]DEEPER THAN EVER
New Tool Album to Push Things Even Further Forward

Prog-metal pioneers Tool are gearing up to make their long-awaited return with their fourth full studio album, which is tentatively titled “Ten Thousand Days”. Due for release via Sony BMG on May 1, the 11 tracks featured represent the first new material to come from the LA quartet since 2001’s now legendary ‘Lateralus’, and herald a heavier direction for the band. Although the album was self-produced, Tool enlisted the recording know-how of Joe Baresi (Queens of the Stone Age, Melvins) to aid them, and have confirmed track titles including “Rosetta Stoned”, “Lost Keys (Blame Hofmann)” and “Ten Thousand Days”.

Speaking to Rock Sound, bassist Justin Chancellor explained that Baresi was instrumental in helping the band achieve a new level of sonic power; “Because he’s such a guitar-minded person, he really helped us achieve something we haven’t been able to up to now in terms of our sound. At first it was a bit of a trip when we first started to mix it. We had to get our head around doing it in a different way. But we quickly understood why Joe was doing what he was doing, and how it was helping us get better. It’s not just an overload of guitars though – he’s given each instrument its own space to exist and I think that gives the album an overall depth that was missing from the last one.”

Meanwhile, frontman Maynard James Keenan was unapologetic about the band’s long absence: “Clearly if I hadn’t been away with A Perfect Circle, it would have come out sooner, but it’s a complex record that needed time to come together and to solidify. I didn’t want to subject Tool to that pressure that a lot of bands put on themselves to get an album out quickly to keep everyone interested. For a band that makes the kind of music we do, it’s never going to be beneficial.”

Given Keenan’s pre-Tool career as an American solider, the album inevitably features a lyrical preoccupation with the much-debated intervention of Western forces in Iraq and the subsequent fallout, but the vocalist insisted that the new album will not see Tool climbing on to a political soapbox.

“There’s not very much use for sloganeering when dealing with something as complicated as this, so there’s no question about the album being simplified in the way that bands like Green Day have (done things). I’ve tried to employ a more emotional, cerebral element to the things I’ve seen in recent times and the idea of that is to initiate thought rather than aimlessly waving a fist. The other thing that I feel is important is to state how we are all indicted by this situation. There’s no way any of us can distance ourselves from what’s happening and there’s definitely no exoneration for people who chose not to look at it or think about it.”

The band have been confirmed as one of the headlining acts for this year’s Download Festival, and will play a London date around the same time.[/QUOTE]

Sooooooooooooo........

[I]10,000 Days[/I] is official?

Don't believe anything until you've got the record in your hands.

I'm inclined to believe Blair in this instance, seeing as he is closer to the band than anybody.

He could just be screwing around with us, which is plausible.