[QUOTE=iarescientists;17843481]ugh i dont have the patience to ever watch inland empire again but mulholland dr, cache, and the white ribbon all rule so cool[/QUOTE]

I was really frustrated with Inland Empire at first, but then did the tortuous task of watching it another time or two and still not understanding it but seeing more how things fit together. Me and a buddy actually took notes when watching it one time through. Watching it now (I screened it for some friends, one of which really really enjoyed Mulholland Dr.), I think I understand it, and it is incredibly rewarding. Now I see Inland Empire as a masterpiece.

It's similar to Cache in that it is about memory. Inland Empire, to me, is about a woman who can't learn from her mistakes or perhaps not fall into a well documented trap (infidelity), and also about how film can be more than mundane entertainment (like the bunny scenes) and we can use storytelling to teach lessons (like...actions DO have consequences) and to represent reality instead of Hollywood fantasy (a common Lynch theme). Her blindness to the past is shown through Lynch's decision to jumble the past, as it makes the audience blind to the character's past as well. Nikki is doomed to fail because she ignores reality and lives in the Hollywood fantasy where everything can be wrapped up in 30 minutes with no hard feelings.

Cache, on the other hand, I think is more political. It's about how victims have memories that last far longer than those of the perpetrator. Majid is obviously deeply affected by his mistreatment as a child by Georges (and his people's mistreatment by the French government), while Georges is able to live comfortably never thinking of what he did (or what the French people have done to Algerians) until he is forced to witness it. I think the long shot is used because it is entirely objective, and hints that the facts are presented in no biased manner, and that the truth (not the opinion of the Algerians or Majid) is revealed to Georges, who has to face it and live with it.

Both movies are absolutely incredible.

[QUOTE=NortherlyNanook;17841525]if it was in good fun, isn't there a good possibility he was kidding

if you listen closely, though, you can hear a heavy descendents influence when you listen to linkin park[/QUOTE]

Well "in good fun" meant on Facebook, haha.

But no the kid was serious. He said he considered them more of a surf band that was "proto nu metal," not a punk band.

So last night I went to a bar with some friends and there ended up being a really good punk show there. One band covered "tourette's." by Nirvana. Sounded like the Das Oath cover. It ruled.

i found myself at a punk house show in richmond, va last night

[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?nhr2jn2tzid[/url]

new daughters

the two songs they released rule this better be as good

its awesome

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;17849151][url]http://www.mediafire.com/?nhr2jn2tzid[/url]

new daughters[/QUOTE]

woah, what, thanks man

[QUOTE=cobert;17844143]I was really frustrated with Inland Empire at first, but then did the tortuous task of watching it another time or two and still not understanding it but seeing more how things fit together. Me and a buddy actually took notes when watching it one time through. Watching it now (I screened it for some friends, one of which really really enjoyed Mulholland Dr.), I think I understand it, and it is incredibly rewarding. Now I see Inland Empire as a masterpiece.

It's similar to Cache in that it is about memory. Inland Empire, to me, is about a woman who can't learn from her mistakes or perhaps not fall into a well d0cumented trap (infidelity), and also about how film can be more than mundane entertainment (like the bunny scenes) and we can use storytelling to teach lessons (like...actions DO have consequences) and to represent reality instead of Hollywood fantasy (a common Lynch theme). Her blindness to the past is shown through Lynch's decision to jumble the past, as it makes the audience blind to the character's past as well. Nikki is doomed to fail because she ignores reality and lives in the Hollywood fantasy where everything can be wrapped up in 30 minutes with no hard feelings.

Cache, on the other hand, I think is more political. It's about how victims have memories that last far longer than those of the perpetrator. Majid is obviously deeply affected by his mistreatment as a child by Georges (and his people's mistreatment by the French government), while Georges is able to live comfortably never thinking of what he did (or what the French people have done to Algerians) until he is forced to witness it. I think the long shot is used because it is entirely objective, and hints that the facts are presented in no biased manner, and that the truth (not the opinion of the Algerians or Majid) is revealed to Georges, who has to face it and live with it.

Both movies are absolutely incredible.[/QUOTE]
it takes so much effort to appreciate lynch. sometimes i question if it's worth it, but it usually is.

anyone in here on Facebook? that's punk is now. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Thatspunknet/350348737638?ref=nf

[U]Songs of the moment:[/U]
Talking Heads - "Road To Nowhere"
Bone Thugs N Harmony - "First of the Month"
Buzzcocks - "I Don't Mind"

i never gave elliot smith a chance, but really like "needle in the hay" a lot.

I really liked Elliott Smith in high school. I mean I still do, but really really overlistened his ****.

elliott smith is a genius

Overrated tbh. :o

[QUOTE=witchxrapist;17854033]I really liked Elliott Smith in high school. I mean I still do, but really really overlistened his ****.[/QUOTE]

same

Roman candle and Either/Or rules. Roman Candle, Rose Parade and Angeles are such solid jams.

come to think of it, each album is pretty amazing in its own right.

From A Basement On A Hill = my favorite Elliott Smith.

does anyone remember back in the days when you guys weren't too cool for screamo and we had "bi-monthly Saetia appreciation threads" and this kid wrote "Indian Summer is better" and you all went "nice name drop douche bag" and so on and I started posting "Indian Summer is better" in every thread about a band and so on?

Indian Summer is better. better than whatever you guys are listening to at the moment. the Hidden Arithmetic 12" is simply astonishingly good.

I love Saetia and Indian Summer but Saetia is clearly better.

[QUOTE=flesh;17853953]i never gave elliot smith a chance, but really like "needle in the hay" a lot.[/QUOTE]

his self titled and either/or are crucial

Spence I think Roman Candle is better than s/t.

Justin I don't really think comparing them is fair, but I definitely like Indian Summer more. something about dynamics and settings makes it sound so pretty and majestic, while at the same time keeping the feeling of something authentic and raw. it's just the ultimate form of expression imo. like iwrotehaikusaboutcannibalisminyouryearbook.

Indian Summer is boring and Saetia are actually still pretty sweet, me and a bro listened to them on the car ride to State College last weekend.

[QUOTE=christsimpson;17854987]does anyone remember back in the days when you guys weren't too cool for screamo and we had "bi-monthly Saetia appreciation threads" and this kid wrote "Indian Summer is better" and you all went "nice name drop douche bag" and so on and I started posting "Indian Summer is better" in every thread about a band and so on?

Indian Summer is better. better than whatever you guys are listening to at the moment. the Hidden Arithmetic 12" is simply astonishingly good.[/QUOTE]
haha too cool for screamo

actually, screamo is kinda hot-headed, so being too cool for screamo isn't unfeasible

Bob I think Indian Summer requires a lot attention to be fully understood and appreciated.

[QUOTE=christsimpson;17855141]Bob I think Indian Summer requires a lot attention to be fully understood and appreciated.[/QUOTE]
they aren't some complex band with a life changing meaning that you must examine carefully to "understand" them. i mean indian summer were a good band, but i can understand perfectly why someone wouldn't like them.

i'd rather listen to indian summer tbh

:x

Indian Summer were really good.

I've been listening to I Wrote Haikus...lately, idk what the general opinion is on that band in here but their discography is perfect, there's a couple of things there I've been missing.

I never really got into iwhaciyyb all that much tbh.

Yeah, I like iewaonofosmdnvha a lot beter.

iwasmoffy rules all tbh.

That's true. isfujdsifniudsxnifndeskfguesnfgeiksdesglzsdgndiuds is probably the best in that genre, though.

Man that's the longest band name eva!

[QUOTE=flesh;17855144]they aren't some complex band with a life changing meaning that you must examine carefully to "understand" them. i mean indian summer were a good band, but i can understand perfectly why someone wouldn't like them.[/QUOTE]

are you saying that Indian Summer isn't complex? if so, how do you mean? technically, atmospherically or what? because I think they are indeed what I would refer to as a complex band, on any account possible.

He's saying it's kind of prickish to act like not liking a band means not being able to understand them.

well that's not what I'm insinuating at all. all I'm saying is that Indian Summer requires a great deal of understanding before the appreciation. the first time I heard them I was really only into the climaxes. it took me some time to truly value the full compositions. I was immediately intrigued by them and the way they worked as build-ups and suspense holders, but in hindsight I realise that I wasn't even close to grasping what this band is and what it stands for. and so I'm merely suggesting that as a reason as to why most people aren't as into Indian Summer as say, Saetia. because Saetia has a much more immediate approach, and some really catchy - by standard conventions - songs, and Indian Summer is much more complex.

also I feel the need to clarify that I am *not* saying that complexity and quality automatically goes hand in hand. it doesn't have to be complex to be good, and it isn't inherently good due to complexity.

pst you're insinuating that people that don't like them just didn't put enough time into appreciating them

no, I'm suggesting that it might be an issue. many people simply do not like putting effort into enjoying a band, which is obviously fine too. Indian Summer might just not keep your interest. not everyone goes crazy for such lengthy compositions and so forth. it obviously simply boils down to a matter of preference.

the last thing indian summer is is "complex"

how is Indian Summer not complex, compared to e.g. Saetia... or almost any other '90s emo/hardcore band?