Ah good old Duke of Edinburgh. I completed silver about 6 months ago and handed in my award book. I was preparing to begin gold this summer until I was told that they don't have my Silver book cause the jackass I handed the book to has lost it. I'm still arguing with them at the moment.

Haha, sounds like fun!

I'm going onto Gold about this time next year because I'm too young at the moment :(

Timmy P

This month's Guitar World rules. David Gilmour. :thumb:

I'll make crits tomorrow, the flu is killing me at the moment.

:(

*coughs*

:(

That sucks, toe-jizz. Drink lots and lots of Ipecac

Anyone get tired of trying to be an avant garde writer all the time? Anymore I just find it very taxing to read. I dunno, maybe that's a weird question, but I was thinking about it today and I came to the conclusion that I just don't give a shi[FONT="Verdana"]t[/FONT] about what is or is not cliche anyone. I mean, most things are not horribly cliche anyways, but I find it's a common criticism because it's an easy one to make.

Ah well.

And get well Tojes. :) Try ginger ale.

[QUOTE=slackjaw]Anyone get tired of trying to be an avant garde writer all the time? Anymore I just find it very taxing to read. I dunno, maybe that's a weird question, but I was thinking about it today and I came to the conclusion that I just don't give a shi[FONT="Verdana"]t[/FONT] about what is or is not cliche anyone. I mean, most things are not horribly cliche anyways, but I find it's a common criticism because it's an easy one to make.

Ah well.

And get well Tojes. :) [B]Try ginger ale[/B].[/QUOTE]

eh, I donno. I like reading off-beat stuff, something new other than the same old "cliche" stuff. But if I find it as an interesting read, I let that person know.

ps: you mean...Try Ipecac...right? right.

Hm. I was browsing [URL="http://www.everypoet.org/pffa/"]PFFA[/URL] and most of the advanced stuff is over my head, so that's why I thought that. I dunno. I guess I burnt myself out on poetry when I was really into it.

Chicken soup is the best when you're sick.

Jeez, i've only been gone for a few months and i've no idea who most people in here or the pit are anymore! The world has moved on and left me standing still. :-(

I have to admit, I'm not all that keen on the avant-garde style... however, I do enjoy reading some of the good stuff some of you guys put up.

I think a lot of the problem is with S&L (and don't get me wrong, things are better right now than they have been for a while... it was absolutely dead a couple months back...) is that there aren't that many really excellent SONGwriters. We have some excellent writers here, most of whom have posted on this page to save my name-dropping and forgetting someone, but the popular style looking around seems to be the slightly unstructured poetry piece, usually a fairly short one as well (apart from DR's marathon pieces... :p;)) - which is fair enough, as we can't force people to submit stuff they're not happy with, but there's no real middle ground.
We've got some outstanding poets in the regs, and some horrible songwriters in the n00bs (not all of them, but posts like Varment's are typical of what we've been getting recently), but not a lot inbetween.

Jason, it seems that I only find enjoyment writing songs when I have a band to do it with. Usually I write them off of a song already written, or I recycle poetry and make it fit.

I just find more personal gratification from writing free flow stuff instead of sticking to a set mold.

:) Just my input, yo.

[QUOTE=Jason101]
We've got some outstanding poets in the regs, and some horrible songwriters in the n00bs (not all of them, but posts like Varment's are typical of what we've been getting recently), but not a lot inbetween.[/QUOTE]

Nail on head. :smash:
:p

What needs to be happening is for the not so good writers to stick around and learn from their criticisms and from reading the better writers stuff. I know that i've most definitely become more creative from being around here, although i don't know about better. I always seem to run into the same problems with my stuff and i know my major flaw: lack of concentration. I tend to be "in the zone" (that's the worst phrase ever btw) at the start of writing a piece and then tail off after a verse or so. Trouble is i can never concentrate long enough to try to fix my flaw...

metaliq: i find that working with others brings on my creativity too. Unfortunately i do most of the writing duties for my project, both lyrical and musical. I find sometimes that when no-ones pushing me i don't move forward.

Yeah. If you have a "deadline" for a song, like the next practice or something, it usually helps make me write it. Hah.

Same goes for my essays in school... I usually get 2-3 weeks to write it and start at 2am the day it's due. I score pretty well and sometimes I dont remember most of what I wrote, but I cant get work done if I have anything else that I could do.

Not saying writing is like an essay for school... but I find deadlines help push me.



I just need to start writing again.

I don't know whether it's because I'm narrow minded musically (instruments-wise) or purely because I like a lot of pop, but my writing has done a wierd 3 stage change.

1. The boring angst.
2. Then comes the serious free-verse shizzle where I just wrote a lot of free-verse poems.

The problem is, that these poems don't trasnslate well into song, especially becuase while my music is quite proggy, my main project is based mainly on melodies and with big loud chorus's, and while the verses can be poetic, I'd actually prefer to write my song in a more accessible style.

So actually currently I'm moving onto a third stage where I'm attempting to be more accesable in my lyrics, the difficulty being that I don't want to become boring in my writing...

Dammit!

I just posted a piece with haiku then realised that slackjaw got there before me!!!!

Now i look like a tube:mad:

I'll freely admit that I'm writing a haiku simply because of recent interest for them in the forums.

Plus, Slackjaws isn't actually a Haiku as it doesn't follow the syllable count, but it is a pretty cool snap of poetry.

Aye, it seems to be good poetry or crappy songwriting at the moment. I find that I naturally write poetry, this is partly because I can never seem to fit my writing into a structure that is necessary for a lyrical piece.

I should try some Haikus and other different types of poetry for a change.

As long as I don't start writing shape poems I'm fine within myself!!!!!

Get well soon Tojes, I'm just recovering from the bug that seems to be going around at the moment.

Timmy P

drumass04, why not try sonnets too? You can even make up your own rhyme schemes...

Hmmm... I'm toying with the idea of writing a song in collabaration with someone else... but it's a case of getting back into the writing groove, and finding a willing victim... not to mention the problems of actually writing the thing! :-\

[QUOTE=Jason101]Hmmm... I'm toying with the idea of writing a song in collabaration with someone else... but it's a case of getting back into the writing groove, and finding a willing victim... not to mention the problems of actually writing the thing! :-\[/QUOTE]

I've always resisted writing with anyone else due to the lennon/mcartney problem of which name comes first on the credits:p . Your post gives me an idea though. We could have a collaborations thread where two people could interact via email to write and post some work like that. It would give people a bit of experience with that sort of thing if they wanted to try it. Just a thought...

I'm full of inspiration today. I really have to work out why and do it again:)

Yeah... to be honest, that sort of thing doesn't really bother me with regard to whose name comes first. I guess if you've both put equal amounts of work into it, it doesn't really matter. I think both Lennon and McCartney had/have ego problems though...

I wouldn't mind doing something like that, the thing is my inspiration comes in periodic bursts. There's no gaurantee of me being able to write something in a month, but the next few days I might right all the time. I never know what's coming next.

Timmy P

[QUOTE=Jason101]I have to admit, I'm not all that keen on the avant-garde style... however, I do enjoy reading some of the good stuff some of you guys put up.

I think a lot of the problem is with S&L (and don't get me wrong, things are better right now than they have been for a while... it was absolutely dead a couple months back...) is that there aren't that many really excellent SONGwriters. We have some excellent writers here, most of whom have posted on this page to save my name-dropping and forgetting someone, but the popular style looking around seems to be the slightly unstructured poetry piece, usually a fairly short one as well (apart from DR's marathon pieces... :p;)) - which is fair enough, as we can't force people to submit stuff they're not happy with, but there's no real middle ground.
We've got some outstanding poets in the regs, and some horrible songwriters in the n00bs (not all of them, but posts like Varment's are typical of what we've been getting recently), but not a lot inbetween.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I don't know if I'm one of those writers you don't enjoy, but either way I feel the S7L forums are too filled with writers who just write bullsh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t on paper and have no emotion in what they write. Emotion IS writing, so take your time you "newer" guys and gals.

no, I do enjoy your stuff JH2. In honesty, I can't think of any regular whose stuff I really genuinely dislike. There are styles that appeal to me more than others, but I reckon most of the regs here are pretty good.

Having said that, we've got a couple of fairly good newbs at the moment, so lets hope they stick about. Sikotik Bunana is pretty good, even if he is a complete loon. ;):p

hah, loon he is.

so when are you posting your next piece jason?

edit: also, I'm happy to see more and more actual poetry, e.g: haikus. We should make a haiku thread so the pages aren't cluttered with 1 haiku per post. take it of leave it. I'd be happy to start one.

Other than the one I've got up at the moment, I don't really know. I'm going through a stage of re-writing old pieces at the moment... I'll see what reaction the one I've got up gets and then decide whether to stick or twist, as it was.

[QUOTE=SikotikBunana]drumass04, why not try sonnets too? You can even make up your own rhyme schemes...[/QUOTE]

Most sonnets have some sort of set rhyme scheme. There are different types of sonnets, Shakespearean, Petrarchian, etc. The schemes kind of seem offbeat, but that's how they did it back in the day.

Dude, please don't remind me. Had enough of that in the "education" system. Alls I'm sayin iz... Try making a set rhyme pattern - something you can work with, and then write something to that... You'll be making the rules yourself, you rebel you...

[quote]Yeah... to be honest, that sort of thing doesn't really bother me with regard to whose name comes first. I guess if you've both put equal amounts of work into it, it doesn't really matter. I think both Lennon and McCartney had/have ego problems though...[/quote]Yeah, the fact that ownership is even an issue is bad news for a band I think. On one hand, you might just be claiming what's rightfully yours, but on the other hand it's like you're stepping away from the band, or trying to elevate yourself above the others. I would just be glad something I wrote is being put to music, and if anybody wanted to know the truth then all they'd have to do is ask.

And a haiku thread would be cool. Actually, a thread for poetic forms (sonnet, haiku, tanka, villanelle, etc.) would be nice; just something to acknowledge the difference between song lyrics and poetry, you know? I doubt it'll work, though. Poetry or not, everybody still wants crits.

[QUOTE=slackjaw]Yeah, the fact that ownership is even an issue is bad news for a band I think. On one hand, you might just be claiming what's rightfully yours, but on the other hand it's like you're stepping away from the band, or trying to elevate yourself above the others. I would just be glad something I wrote is being put to music, and if anybody wanted to know the truth then all they'd have to do is ask.

And a haiku thread would be cool. Actually, a thread for poetic forms (sonnet, haiku, tanka, villanelle, etc.) would be nice; just something to acknowledge the difference between song lyrics and poetry, you know? I doubt it'll work, though. Poetry or not, everybody still wants crits.[/QUOTE]

If we had a seperate thread for poetry then josh may,subtle, Dfelon and others would never get the praise their stuff deserves. While joshmay is the straight up poet, subtle and D's stuff straddles the imaginary line between poetry and lyrics and their works could go either way. In my eyes, lyrics and poetry are interchangable terms. I'm pretty sure i could even manage to put my haiku diary to music and have it sound good. Very little poetry couldn't be put to music if you tried hard enough (excepting the weird forms and shaped visual pieces) and on the flipside the best lyrics tend to have a poetic quality to them.