Ah, okay. Anyone about the hats?

Groove hats rule, try them out in person.

I probably won't get the chance to try them out in person...'tis why this is so difficult. Thanks for the help, though.

brilliant = darker, although like PWF said, barely noticable....so more reason to buy Regular finish :)

^I was thinking Traditional :) .....I'm still so stuck between groove hats and stage hats....woe is me!

Traditional are the nicest man, no reason not to go with them :thumb:.

man..i hear ya on Groove vs stage....they both nice

buy both ;)

:lol: It's like me with New Beats vs. Mastersounds. I'm gonna buy the New Beats soon and have both :p.

Guys, how about this:


Groove mains right here -------------------------------- Stage X-Hats over here


Amazing!

Yes, yes. :):cool:.

How are K/Z 13" hi-hats? I am considering some for xmas to replace my terrible hats

Okay, I'm still stuck. I play a little more rock-style, so I was thinking stage, but then I also want a very versatile hat, which everyone says the groove hats are all about...god damn.

Leaning towards groove hats at the moment. I'll probably end up going with them.

definatly the grooves. the weight setup is all the same...the only think i can find different, is the lathed bells, and maybe a shallower hammer mark.

Awesome. I was curious about the weights, I was going to ask and that was pretty much going to make the decision. Groove hats it is.

Hey, I've got relatives in New Brunswick. Fredricton to be exact. It's gorgeous there. How cold has it gotten over there?

[QUOTE=ZildjianFrk89]Genere: Hardcore Punk

So I was thinking of getting a 16" Crash, 18" Crash, 20" Ride, 14" Hats, 18" China, and 12" Splash?

What kind of cymbals should I get?[/QUOTE]

Do you think a splash would fit well in that genre? Maybe you should get a 14" Crash instead, it'd better/louder for the accents you would use the splash for. Try 16" AAXplosion/A Custom Crash, 18" AA Medium Thin/A Med. Thin Crash, 21" A Sweet Ride (really works well in that genre) or a 19" Z Custom Thrash Ride, 14" A New/Quick Beats, AAX Stage Hats, HH Bright Hats, or 13" K/Z Dyno Beats ... 18" Oriental China Trash would probably be the best bet, possibly an AA Fast Chinese also.

Chine wise, Whats the sabian solor 18" or the B8 14" mini like?? I'm looking at the zildjian ZBT 18" aswell.

I'm looking for a sharp loud and distinct sound!

[QUOTE=Bowler]Chine wise, Whats the sabian solor 18" or the B8 14" mini like?? I'm looking at the zildjian ZBT 18" aswell.

I'm looking for a sharp loud and distinct sound![/QUOTE]

Solar - Rubbish. And I mean, rubbish. The Solar crash sounds more like a china.

ZBT - Never heard, the rest of the range isn't wonderful, but B8 metal and ZBT construction techniques probably lend themselves to loud and abrasive china cymbals.

B8 - bobby__johnny is always praising the B8Pro china, so I should imagine it's pretty good. Seems to be what youy're looking for.

Might want to also try out Wuhan/Stagg, dpending on whether you're in US or UK respectively.

If you can save enough cash, I'm a big fan of the HHX Chinese, but that's quite a step up financially.

[QUOTE=VTDS_xx]Do you think a splash would fit well in that genre? Maybe you should get a 14" Crash instead, it'd better/louder for the accents you would use the splash for. Try 16" AAXplosion/A Custom Crash, 18" AA Medium Thin/A Med. Thin Crash, 21" A Sweet Ride (really works well in that genre) or a 19" Z Custom Thrash Ride, 14" A New/Quick Beats, AAX Stage Hats, HH Bright Hats, or 13" K/Z Dyno Beats ... 18" Oriental China Trash would probably be the best bet, possibly an AA Fast Chinese also.[/QUOTE]Of course a splash would fit well in that genre... they can fit anywhere man. A 12" A splash would suit him fine.

I think a smaller crash would fit alot better, or a mini (12-14") china.

Are you assuming hardcore punk means there's constantly 110 dB smashing around and you need some thick or huge cymbals to cut? A 12" splash can fit fine in metal, but all these companies put out garbage like AA Metal X, Z Custom etc, when you don't need splashes that thick, or a 14" one like the Z Customs.

He would also be able to use an A, or A Custom/AA/AAX in other genres as well.

No. I'm not assuming anything. As it stands I used to play in a Post Hardcore band, and I'm not illiterate on genres. A 12" can fit into Metal, just fine. But Hardcore Punk is [B]not[/B] metal. I'm not going to get into genre conversations, but in my opinion a splash doesn't fit into that genre. Listening to bands like DK, Gorilla Biscuits, Anti Flag, The Exploited and even bands that have adopted punk drumming into their metalcore bands do not use splashes. So, with that said, I was telling him what the majority of bands in the genre he plays use; and they don't happen to be splashes.

If everyone used what everyone else in their genre used... everyone would use 14" New Beats, a 20" Medium ride and a 16" Thin crash.

Music progresses, drummers progress, there is no blueprint. You make the music you want to, and if you want to use a splash, you can use one. Who the hell cares what "drummers of that genre" use. Maybe he'd be pushing some boundaries using a splash then, if it seems like no one else ever does...

Or maybe since he posted that his Genre was hardcore punk he'd like to use what he hears bands in that genre playing with. He posted a 12" Splash as a possibility and I made a suggestion to him by stating that most drummers playing that type of music don't use them because they don't fit in very well. A smaller crash would have more body and would fit better, if he wants to use a splash then he can, I simply made a suggestion. :)

[QUOTE=Jomofo]Awesome. I was curious about the weights, I was going to ask and that was pretty much going to make the decision. Groove hats it is.

Hey, I've got relatives in New Brunswick. Fredricton to be exact. It's gorgeous there. How cold has it gotten over there?[/QUOTE]

it was furkin cold yesterday....dont know about today yet...havent gone outside

I got my AA 21" Rock ride and have been playing on it for about a week now, it's great. Thanks to everyone who helped in my decision. BTW I'm looking for hats now .. AAX Stages or AA Rock ?? Need to blend it all with 16" and 18" AAXplosion crashes. Like I said before, I really appreciate your expertise in this matter since I'm in a little town with no way to listen to different cymbals for myself. Thanks again

AAX Stages for sure.

[QUOTE=playwithfire]If everyone used what everyone else in their genre used... everyone would use 14" New Beats, a 20" Medium ride and a 16" Thin crash.[/QUOTE]

and the problem with this is....? ;)

I was VERY close to buying some 14" New Beats on ebay the other day. I think they may be my main hats in the future (swicth my 12" ACM's to AUX)

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]and the problem with this is....? ;)[/QUOTE]Well it'd be nice tones, but it would still be tedious.

i am looking for a mini chinese that is raw, trashy, and bright also have a large sound but a quickl decay

a chinese with a bright/cutting attack and dark/almost dirty undertones (possibly hammered?)

and finally a very dark crash with a short/quick raw decay

any help finding any of there cymbals would be much appreciated