[QUOTE=Aw3someman]Actually i have. Metallica may not be the best of all thrash but they are good and influential enough to be included in an essential list. Their influence has spawned many many bands and if you go past all their hype they have some very solid songs. like in happy's list i think MoP would easily replace Dream Theater's album. MoP is a much more polished and overall more important, so an "essential" metal album.

... and this is a metallica thread.[/QUOTE]

Wait, so because this is a Metallica thread, we should automatically drop to our knees and do this?

1) Metallica - No Life 'Till Leather
2) Metallica - Kill 'Em All
3) Metallica - Ride the Lightning
4) Metallica - Master of Puppets
5) Metallica - ...And Justice For All
6) Metallica - Metallica
7) Metallica - Live [b]Shi[/b]t: Binge and Purge
8) Metallica - Load
9) Metallica - S&M
10) Metallica - St. Anger

Or, am I missing something?

And by the way, Peace Sells > Master of Puppets.

actually the metallica thing was supposed to be a joke not literal. thats why it was seperated from the rest of the post. and IMO RtL>MoP, and RtL > Peace, RiP=RtL, RiP and Peace Sells >>>>> MoP, but MoP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Almost all other metal

You've not heard much metal then, if you think that MoP >>>>x10 most other metal.

By the way...

RiP=PSBWB >>> KEA=RTL=MoP=KIMB

[QUOTE=Happy]You'll find a lot of us in here think RTL is better than MOP.[/QUOTE]
Its close, but i think while RTL is a more "essential metal" album, the songs on MoP are better.

Although I like all the songs from RTL, You cant leave out Leper Messiah, Disposable Heroes, Orion ect. from MOP.

There pretty even to my liking.

MoP is just a polished version of RtL. I prefer RtL's rawer feel.

RTL is possibly my favourite Metallica album.

however, i also like Garage Inc. and St. Anger heaps as well.
St. Anger is seriously underrated and all "true" Metallica fans hate it. if you were a true fan of any band, you'd respect any album they put out, not bag the living sh[i]i[/i]t out of it and never listen to it.
i HATE people who do that.

[QUOTE=Friggen Earthlings]RTL is possibly my favourite Metallica album.

however, i also like Garage Inc. and St. Anger heaps as well.
St. Anger is seriously underrated and all "true" Metallica fans hate it. if you were a true fan of any band, you'd respect any album they put out, not bag the living sh[i]i[/i]t out of it and never listen to it.
i HATE people who do that.[/QUOTE]

Completely wrong. I'm a huge fan of Death, but I rarely listen to anything before "Human" because I don't like Chuck's low growl on SBG, SH and Leprosy.

I'm a huge fan of Megadeth but I don't listen to KIMB because I can't stand the quality of it.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Completely wrong. I'm a huge fan of Death, but I rarely listen to anything before "Human" because I don't like Chuck's low growl on SBG, SH and Leprosy.

I'm a huge fan of Megadeth but I don't listen to KIMB because I can't stand the quality of it.[/QUOTE]hmm okay, im exaggerating a bit.

but seriously, it annoys me how many people hate St. Anger. fine, dont like it, dont listen to it. but wherever i go, wherever i MENTION St. Anger, people bag the hell out of it, and dont want anything to do with it. they accuse Metallica of selling out.

Selling out???!?:confused:

see the thing i mainly hate, is people who dont think bands should ever change their style, and if they do, they're "selling out". isnt selling out playing music just for the money and fame and etc, not for just wanting to play it?
if a band changes its style, its obvious that they dont want to play what they used to play. if they stuck with it, wouldn't that be selling out?


sorry, i'll shut up. people piss me off. i hate people. :p

if St. Anger would have had more soloage then Some Kind of Monster then Metallica wouldn't be insulted as much as they are

though James is the best rhythm EVER

true. solos are great, but if you've watched Some Kind of Monster, Kirk explains why they didnt do any solos.

besides, i think St. Anger would probably work better without solos, despite the fact i love them. the point of St.A is the whole raw and angry side of the music.

but, thats just my opinion.

EDIT: oh, and James is never the best rhythm ever. Keith Richards is the best. seriously.
and many people forget that David Gilmour does rhythm as well :)

i dont think it was kirk who explained...he was pretty pissed.
it was the others who sed they were just soloing for the sake of soloing. it sort of makes kirk obsolete tho.

and BTW, MoP > RtL

[QUOTE=Friggen Earthlings]RTL is possibly my favourite Metallica album.

however, i also like Garage Inc. and St. Anger heaps as well.
St. Anger is seriously underrated and all "true" Metallica fans hate it. if you were a true fan of any band, you'd respect any album they put out, not bag the living sh[i]i[/i]t out of it and never listen to it.
i HATE people who do that.[/QUOTE]

I am sorry, but that is rediculous to say. If your a fan, you can still make your mind up upon what sucks and what doesn't. Sure, you can respect an album, but you don't have to like it.

I used to be a huge Metallica fan, and St. Anger was just horrible. I don't care what anyone says. They can debate with me all day long, but there would be no point. I just want to say, if you think an albums sucks, express your opinion about it if you feel the need to.

Just to say, I didn't stop being a fan because of St Anger, their music just got tired to me after awhile. I still listen to Metallica, but very very rarely.

[quote]wherever i MENTION St. Anger, people bag the hell out of it, and dont want anything to do with it. they accuse Metallica of selling out.

Selling out???!?[/quote]

People have said Metallica sold out WAY before St. Anger. If I remember right, they were said to have sold out on Ride the Lightning when they put a balad or whatever on there (Fade to Black) cd.

I have a feeling I am repeating stuff mentioned about 1000 pages back but oh well.

[QUOTE=Friggen Earthlings]
EDIT: oh, and James is never the best rhythm ever. [B]Keith Richards [/B]is the best. seriously.
and many people forget that David Gilmour does rhythm as well :)[/QUOTE]

nah, he's not even close to Hetfield.
Gilmour vs. Hetfield on rhythm is very debatable, Gilmour wrote more stuff than Hetfield, but Hetfield has the perfomance ability. Playing Battery with downpick and sing it at the same time i really a challenge.

[QUOTE=vashts80]You've not heard much metal then, if you think that MoP >>>>x10 most other metal.

By the way...

RiP=PSBWB >>> KEA=RTL=MoP=KIMB[/QUOTE]

Do you not understand that it's all subjective? If he said an album is better than some other, you can't say he hasn't heard much of metal. It's his opinion. Just like you have an opinion. There is no truth. What you're basically saying is if he likes metallica album more than any other albums, than he hasn't heard enough of metal. Really, stop expecting everyone to like same thing, as it wont happen.

[QUOTE=Friggen Earthlings]St. Anger is seriously underrated and all "true" Metallica fans hate it. if you were a true fan of any band, you'd respect any album they put out, not bag the living sh[i]i[/i]t out of it and never listen to it.
i HATE people who do that.[/QUOTE]

Yea, St. Anger is underrated. I hate when people tell me, give a certain band a chance then you'll love them, but then they go and say ST. Anger is crap because of drums. Well give drums a chance and you'll learn to like them also. Or when they classify it in same genre as papa roach, and limp bizkit. WTF? grr. It's a great album. It doesn't have to be as good as RTL, KEA, or such to be great.

I was dissapointed they took solos out, especially after they discussed about no solos or solos rule. Really, why didn't they just add like half songs with solos and half without. That way it wouldn't be all solos or no solos at all. But still a great album nonetheless. No solos can't ruin the music completely for me.

[QUOTE=Friggen Earthlings]true. solos are great, but if you've watched Some Kind of Monster, Kirk explains why they didnt do any solos.

besides, i think St. Anger would probably work better without solos, despite the fact i love them. the point of St.A is the whole raw and angry side of the music.

but, thats just my opinion.

EDIT: oh, and James is never the best rhythm ever. Keith Richards is the best. seriously.
and many people forget that David Gilmour does rhythm as well :)[/QUOTE]Yeah, those constantly used bar chords on the 3rd and 5th fret on every song on st. anger were killer. (sarcasm)

I liked St. Anger...given I would like it with a couple solo's.

What other albums came out around SA's time? I can't think of any other Metal
album that did as well as SA did...but I might be wrong

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Do you not understand that it's all subjective? If he said an album is better than some other, you can't say he hasn't heard much of metal. It's his opinion. Just like you have an opinion. There is no truth. What you're basically saying is if he likes metallica album more than any other albums, than he hasn't heard enough of metal. Really, stop expecting everyone to like same thing, as it wont happen.[/QUOTE]

I don't expect people to like the same thing. However, it's a fact that there's many better bands and albums out there than Metallica. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but saying Master of Puppets is a way better album than most metal out there, means he hasn't heard much metal.

I can name quite a few bands/albums, off technical skill, that are much better than Metallica/Master of Puppets. Kthx.

[QUOTE=Britton]I liked St. Anger...given I would like it with a couple solo's.

What other albums came out around SA's time? I can't think of any other Metal
album that did as well as SA did...but I might be wrong[/QUOTE]

Double post, but Iron Maiden's "Dance of Death," Dream Theater's "Train of Thought," Sonata Arctica's "Winterhearts Guild," Opeth's "Damnation"

checkin back in to see how mx is doin these days :thumb:

[QUOTE=vashts80]I don't expect people to like the same thing. However, it's a fact that there's many better bands and albums out there than Metallica. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but saying Master of Puppets is a way better album than most metal out there, means he hasn't heard much metal.

I can name quite a few bands/albums, off technical skill, that are much better than Metallica/Master of Puppets. Kthx.[/QUOTE]

hey i can see where you're comin from man, but its totally a preference argument. you can't change someone's mind, thats all there is to it. you can show them obviously better technique or structure or skill or whatever the hell you can think up, but it all depends on what draws the person in and what doesn't. for me, i like metallica better than any other band, metal or no, just because their music affects me and draws me into it deeper than just the surface. and that is just my opinion, i don't want you arguing about it haha. anyway...

just got binge and purge seattle, its quite lovely.

i also am really into low man's lyric right now, anbody else like that song?

i like Devils Dance better. im not exactly a reload fan though.

[QUOTE=Quickdrop]i like Devils Dance better. im not exactly a reload fan though.[/QUOTE]

good song. yeah, alot of people were dissapointed in the load/reload stuff, but i love it all. there's some solid gold songs on those bits

[QUOTE=vashts80]I don't expect people to like the same thing. However, it's a fact that there's many better bands and albums out there than Metallica. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but saying Master of Puppets is a way better album than most metal out there, means he hasn't heard much metal.

I can name quite a few bands/albums, off technical skill, that are much better than Metallica/Master of Puppets. Kthx.[/QUOTE]

Technicality =/= best. A band doesn't have to be technicaly amazing to be the best. And no, there are no facts about which band is best. It's not like we have a congress and supreme court for deciding who is best guitarist, bassist, drummer, band, etc.. It's all what you like most. A person can hear all metal bands and like a certain band the most. You can't tell them they haven't heard enough metal bands or they just don't know what music is. It's what satisfies their listening pleasures the most is what they think is best. As I said it's all subjective, there are no facts in best bands/guitarists/bassists/drummers/etc. Everyone has something unique and different to offer. :thumb:

[QUOTE=metalmilitia101]good song. yeah, alot of people were dissapointed in the load/reload stuff, but i love it all. there's some solid gold songs on those bits[/QUOTE]

I find load better because of there originality.

I personally like reload alot better than load. But mainly because of slither, bad seed, low man's lyric, fuel, the memory remains, and unforgiven II. :p

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take a look at this pre-Metallica photo



ALSO if you are a big Metallica fan you better get Guitar World that is in newsstands now it has a bunch of Metallica interviews in it and a video of Kirk playing guitar

The cover has Kirk on it
[url]http://www.guitarworld.com/[/url]

Cool photos.

Why isn't Guitar One as cool as Guitar World. I'm subscribed to G1, unfortunately.

[QUOTE]nah, he's not even close to Hetfield.
Gilmour vs. Hetfield on rhythm is very debatable, Gilmour wrote more stuff than Hetfield, but Hetfield has the perfomance ability. Playing Battery with downpick and sing it at the same time i really a challenge.[/QUOTE]

1. Umm..Keith Richards and David Gilmour are both lead guitarists. Ron Wood is the Stones rythm guitarist, and Pink Floyd doesn't really have one.

2. Please tell me your joking about Richards not comparing to Hetfield...please?..

[QUOTE=dr._feelgood]Badmotorfinger is a bit better and definately has a more metal sound.[/QUOTE]
agreed, but Superunknown came to mind when I was thinking of 'essential' albums for some reason. Plus Superunknown has 'fell on black days', and that's my favorite Soundgarde song:D

yeh since when has keith been rhythm, or gilmour? but i think hetfield does own richards on technical ability. keith doesnt even rate himself highly.

yeh fell on black days is awesome, im also a bigger fan of badmotorfinger, but i see where ur coming from.

*ahem*

Keith Richards actually holds the title for the Best Rhythm Guitarist. but dont take my word for it, look it up.

and as for David Gilmour, like i said, not many people realise it, but he DOES in fact do some rhythm. this time, do take my word for it, me having over 15 hours worth of the Floydsters to listen to at any given time :)

sure, he does mainly lead, but you mustn't forget the rhythm.

sup noobs?

seen this, yet? [url]http://roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=44786[/url]

yay solos :D

[QUOTE=vashts80]I don't expect people to like the same thing. However, it's a fact that there's many better bands and albums out there than Metallica. It doesn't mean you have to like it, but saying Master of Puppets is a way better album than most metal out there, means he hasn't heard much metal.

I can name quite a few bands/albums, off technical skill, that are much better than Metallica/Master of Puppets. Kthx.[/QUOTE]
Do remember I was referring to albums that have influenced the entire genre. Not just the best albums. And most of those albums around the time of SA didn't sell as well as SA, probably because of fame but whatever.

[QUOTE=heavy metal kid] Playing Battery with downpick and sing it at the same time i really a challenge.[/QUOTE]

He plays those Gallops downpicking :confused:

I very much doubt he plays that song down picked. I would even go as far as saying its practically impossible to gallop that fast with only down picking.

[QUOTE=Stormrider331]He plays those Gallops downpicking :confused:[/QUOTE]
No he doesn't. James doesn't down pick everything.

[QUOTE=Happy]No he doesn't. James doesn't down pick everything.[/QUOTE]

I know. It was a question because I didnt belive what the other person had said about him downpicking Battery but anyways..

[QUOTE=Stormrider331]I know. It was a question because I didnt belive what the other person had said about him downpicking Battery but anyways..[/QUOTE]
I used to think he downpicked everything but it's not humanly possible.