Pirates and Zombies are your two favourite things? Are you the kind of guy that sleeps in graveyards? That's cool though, zombies aren't my thing....I like more lively characters. Like Shamans.

For what it's worth, I've never seen Kill Bill, Scarface, and I'll go one up on everything else: I've never seen Pulp Fiction.

Yeah, that's right.

[QUOTE=Jom]I've never seen Pulp Fiction.[/QUOTE]
Go watch it now.

I mean this very second.

Sleepy Hollow is awesome.

If you haven't seen Pulp Fiction, either kill yourself or watch it now...please.

Casino>Scarface, seriously...

on that note I will retire to bed.

[QUOTE=Jom]For what it's worth, I've never seen Kill Bill, Scarface, and I'll go one up on everything else: I've never seen Pulp Fiction.

Yeah, that's right.[/QUOTE]
You're not missing a whole lot.

Seriously, so many people think those are the top 3 movies you [U]must[/U] see, but they're really not.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]Alright guys....Scarface is on tonight back to back. Once at seven o'clock, and once at ten thirty. I'm not sure if I should watch it at seven, then go out with my friends...or go out with my friends, and then go back to my place and watch it at ten thirty. Maybe I'll just invite my friends to watch it. Who doesn't like Scarface? I've never met anyone that doesn't like Scarface.[/QUOTE]

I didn't like Scarface all that much. It was way too long, and by the end Pacino was starting to bug the hell out of me. He has done much better.

Tarantino fans have ruined Tarantino movies for me, personally.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]
Tarantino fans have ruined Tarantino movies for me, personally.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this, but aside from that, Tarantino is a Hollywood-bred director who has yet to develop/establish a personal and unique style. His movies are very far from being artuer as they usually dwell primarily on superficial values and have little personal meaning.

I know it's cool to hate Tarantino nowadays. But Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs are still amongst, if not my favourite films ever. I just love his style, cult, violent, cold. Just great.

Fans don't really get in the way of the movies to me.

To me, Pulp Fiction deserves all the hype it gets, because it's pure Tarantino; he wrote it, directed it, and even acted in it. It's definitely on the list for the ten best movies of the last 15 years, that's for sure.

[QUOTE=Kage]I agree with this, but aside from that, Tarantino is a Hollywood-bred director who has yet to develop/establish a personal and unique style. His movies are very far from being artuer as they usually dwell primarily on superficial values and have little personal meaning.[/QUOTE]

I find his style to be very unique. And it's a good thing that they don't have a lot of personal meaning, I like how the characters aren't digged into psychologically, it's a story, cold. It's cult, I love it. Like a Clockwork Orange, I love that film, it did have an underlying meaning though. But still, it was cold.


[QUOTE]To me, Pulp Fiction deserves all the hype it gets, because it's pure Tarantino; he wrote it, directed it, and even acted in it. It's definitely on the list for the ten best movies of the last 15 years, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]

Aah, ninja edit. I was about to say, it came out in '94, a highly fertile year for art. And I'd say it's definitely in my top 5, from all films.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]I find his style to be very unique. And it's a good thing that they don't have a lot of personal meaning, I like how the characters aren't digged into psychologically, it's a story, cold. It's cult, I love it. Like a Clockwork Orange, I love that film, it did have an underlying meaning though. But still, it was cold.[/QUOTE]
Personal tastes aside, I'm just trying to show why I don't particularly like him and why I disagree with the notion that he is an auteur filmmaker. I didn't know it was "cool to hate" him nowadays, because every teenager I know thinks he's the greatest.

My issue is that some people think he's the greatest American director to come out in a while, because that's what you read in magazines, or that's the only cult kind of films you've been exposed to.

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1. Citizen Kane
2. Taxi Driver
3. Raging Bull
4. Eraserhead
5. Wizard of Oz
6. Rosemary's Baby
7. LA Confidential
8. Rear Window
9. Lolita
10. 8 1/2

There, I've compiled a list for those of you who think Tarantino is the be-all end-all of moviemaking. That highlights the general accomplishments in film-making from almost every decade from the 30s to the present. Keep in mind I'm mainly talking about American film.

I don't mean to look pompous or degrade your taste in movies, but, before you start praising Pulp Fiction as the movie you MUST SEE NOW, just immerse yourself in something other than that. If you're talking about cult-movies, than some of the above apply, but that's a completely different issue.

[QUOTE=Kage]Personal tastes aside, I'm just trying to show why I don't particularly like him. I didn't know it was "cool to hate" him nowadays, because every teenager I know thinks he's the greatest.

My issue is that some people think he's the greatest American director to come out in a while, because that's what you read in magazines, or that's the only cult kind of films you've been exposed to.

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1. Citizen Kane
2. Taxi Driver
3. Raging Bull
4. Eraserhead
5. Wizard of Oz
6. Rosemary's Baby
7. LA Confidential
8. Rear Window
9. Lolita
10. 8 1/2

There, I've compiled a list for those of you who think Tarantino is the be-all end-all of moviemaking. That highlights the general accomplishments in film-making from almost every decade from the 30s to the present. Keep in mind I'm mainly talking about American film.

I don't mean to look pompous or degrade your taste in movies, but, before you start praising Pulp Fiction as the movie you MUST SEE NOW, just immerse yourself in something other than that. If you're talking about cult-movies, than some of the above apply, but that's a completely different issue.[/QUOTE]


I'm not telling anyone they must go see it, I'm just saying I think it's amazing. And I don't think I've seen any of the films you listed. I should go to the cinema more often and watch more tv.

I love cult though. I hate it when films get corny, the slightest corny -or emotional as some may call it- part in a film may ruin it. Like Pearl Harbour was on tonight, I hadn't seen it, by choice. I was watching bits of it with my girlfriend. And the love scenes, and the triangle relationship, and blabla, it just made me lose all interest in the film.

Usually I prefer a film with little emotion or a comedy. There can be emotion though, I love epic films like LOTR or Gladiator, yeah I know I'm not very original. I just don't like overly (I'm quick to call something overly) dramatic films or corny love scenes. Again, I'm very quick to call something corny, according to my girlfriend, and she hates it.

I hated Citizen Kane. I had to watch it in high school for my film and lit class. The only thing I learned from that movie was what a crane shot is. If I hear "Rosebud" at any time, the hairs on my head bristle.

Part of the hatred stems from watching it for over fifteen class periods, with a holiday break interrupting the movie. The Monday I returned, I completely didn't care about what would happen, even though I predicted it correctly from the on-set. Had it taken five days max to watch the movie, maybe I would have gotten more out of it. But ugh, it was way too long and way too boring.

I do recognize that it's a classic, though.

As for Reservoir Dogs: I didn't like that movie, either.

Why not, Jom?

[QUOTE=Superpeer]I'm not telling anyone they must go see it, I'm just saying I think it's amazing. And I don't think I've seen any of the films you listed. I should go to the cinema more often and watch more tv.

I love cult though. I hate it when films get corny, the slightest corny -or emotional as some may call it- part in a film may ruin it. Like Pearl Harbour was on tonight, I hadn't seen it, by choice. I was watching bits of it with my girlfriend. And the love scenes, and the triangle relationship, and blabla, it just made me lose all interest in the film.

Usually I prefer a film with little emotion or a comedy. There can be emotion though, I love epic films like LOTR or Gladiator, yeah I know I'm not very original. I just don't like overly (I'm quick to call something overly) dramatic films or corny love scenes. Again, I'm very quick to call something corny, according to my girlfriend, and she hates it.[/QUOTE]
Our movie tastes obviously differ, because emotion and characters are the big aspect (aside from the technical aspects of filmmaking) that make me like movies. Also, the atmosphere of the movie is a big deal.

For me, cult films are a hit-or-miss. In my opinion, you have to see Eraserhead as a cult fan.

[QUOTE=Kage]Our movie tastes obviously differ, because emotion and characters are the big aspect (aside from the technical aspects of filmmaking) that make me like movies. Also, the atmosphere of the movie is a big deal.

For me, cult films are a hit-or-miss. In my opinion, you have to see Eraserhead as a cult fan.[/QUOTE]

I'll keep it in mind. :)

Eraserhead was so boring and terrible even the artsiest of my friends couldn't stomach a full viewing of it. We started to watch it and had to turn it off after about half an hour and put on something actually enjoyable to watch. I think Tarantino makes fantastic movies myself. He has a great sense of story to his stuff. Everything unravels with little nuances and details and that makes his stuff enjoyable. All the parts of the story don't click until right at the end.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Eraserhead was so boring and terrible even the artsiest of my friends couldn't stomach a full viewing of it. We started to watch it and had to turn it off after about half an hour and put on something actually enjoyable to watch. I think Tarantino makes fantastic movies myself. He has a great sense of story to his stuff. Everything unravels with little nuances and details and that makes his stuff enjoyable. All the parts of the story don't click until right at the end.[/QUOTE]
Ok, well, I don't know what to tell you there, I guess you either like it or you don't. I mean, I've seen it at least 5 times, and it's rare that I watch movies over and over again.

You obviously enjoy stories that unravel and then come together at the end...which is about opposite to what David Lynch does (Eraserhead director). His stories are not explained, aside from what the personal viewer takes away from it. If you prefer to have stories that come together like that, then I can see why you wouldn't like surreal and abstract movies.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]I'll keep it in mind. :)[/QUOTE]
I seriously think you'll like it. It's the fu[font=]cking[/font] coldest movie and most detached movie there is.

I'm just upset that there has been a discussion about great filmmaking and no one has mentioned The Shawshank Redemption.

[QUOTE=Kage]Ok, well, I don't know what to tell you there, I guess you either like it or you don't. I mean, I've seen it at least 5 times, and it's rare that I watch movies over and over again.

You obviously enjoy stories that unravel and then come together at the end...which is about opposite to what David Lynch does (Eraserhead director). His stories are not explained, aside from what the personal viewer takes away from it. If you prefer to have stories that come together like that, then I can see why you wouldn't like surreal and abstract movies.


I seriously think you'll like it. It's the fu[font=]cking[/font] coldest movie and most detached movie there is.[/QUOTE]

Haha, you make me sound like a psychopath...

I like that. :)

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I'm just upset that there has been a discussion about great filmmaking and no one has mentioned The Shawshank Redemption.[/QUOTE]
I was going to put it on my list, but I wanted to limit it to ten.

[QUOTE=Kage]Ok, well, I don't know what to tell you there, I guess you either like it or you don't. I mean, I've seen it at least 5 times, and it's rare that I watch movies over and over again.

You obviously enjoy stories that unravel and then come together at the end...which is about opposite to what David Lynch does (Eraserhead director). His stories are not explained, aside from what the personal viewer takes away from it. If you prefer to have stories that come together like that, then I can see why you wouldn't like surreal and abstract movies.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...I can say I don't like most artsy style movies. Unless the abstract is something I connect to, I feel so disjoint from it I can't find any pleasure watching it. On the other hand, watching a movie with a good story I can appreciate because it makes you think and draws you in, without alienating you in the process. Basically if I don't get an ending out of something though, I find it a waste of time. I can waste my time thinking about my own problems rather than someone else's.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I'm just upset that there has been a discussion about great filmmaking and no one has mentioned The Shawshank Redemption.[/QUOTE]

My god, that movie was increadable. I practically cried at the ending, and it was so well acted. Yeah, I guess you could call me a fan boy.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Yeah...I can say I don't like most artsy style movies. Unless the abstract is something I connect to, I feel so disjoint from it I can't find any pleasure watching it. On the other hand, watching a movie with a good story I can appreciate because it makes you think and draws you in, without alienating you in the process. Basically if I don't get an ending out of something though, I find it a waste of time. I can waste my time thinking about my own problems rather than someone else's.[/QUOTE]
Haha, that's true in some ways I guess. But if you can take away your own personal interpretation from a movie, I think that's great. It's like a visual form of music, or a motion-form of painting. Have you ever seen anything else by David Lynch? Most of his movies have the "personal interpretation" aspect, yet are a lot less detached and you can connect to the characters more.

Oh, and, out of curiousity, where did you see Eraserhead? It's kind of hard to find.

[QUOTE=Illmatic]I'm just upset that there has been a discussion about great filmmaking and no one has mentioned The Shawshank Redemption.[/QUOTE]
That's got to have one of the best endings ever. Besides Schindler's List, it's probably the most moving movie I've ever seen.

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It's seem to be that Tarantino is a pure love or hate person. Seriously, I don't know anyone who think's he's "okay" or "alright". They either praise him and constaintly suck up to him, or they lash at him at any chance they get.

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My top 10 [all time - American or not]:

1. The Godfather, Part II
2. Apocalypse Now
3. Goodfellas
4. On the Waterfront
5. Raging Bull
6. Pulp Fiction
7. LA Confidential
8. The Godfather
9. 8 1/2
10. City of God

"You want the truth?!"

"I DEMAND the truth!"

"You can't HANDLE the truth!"

This was a pretty okay movie, I think.

I like your list a lot, Kurtz. I can see you're a Scorsese fan (my second favorite director), and LA Confidential, 8 1/2 own. The list I had up there aren't my top ten...just the general top 10 accomplishments in filmmaking of the past 60 years or so in my opinion.

...oh dear.

[QUOTE=Kage]Haha, that's true in some ways I guess. But if you can take away your own personal interpretation from a movie, I think that's great. It's like a visual form of music, or a motion-form of painting. Have you ever seen anything else by David Lynch? Most of his movies have the "personal interpretation" aspect, yet are a lot less detached and you can connect to the characters more.

Oh, and, out of curiousity, where did you see Eraserhead? It's kind of hard to find.[/QUOTE]
Ah, but the thing is movie plots and even single scenes or catches of dialogue can draw my interest and thoughts, but I'm more likely to be strongly affected by something that affects no one else when they see/hear it, but the entire aim of those films is to make you think, and for some reason that just makes me too disinterested to bother thinking. The uninitentional things are what gets me. I don't know about Lynch's films though, you'd have to name some for me to say.

My friend's dad had a copy as I recall, and told us it was a must see movie. He was kinda shocked when we came back up 30 mins later returning it as I recall haha.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Ah, but the thing is movie plots and even single scenes or catches of dialogue can draw my interest and thoughts, but I'm more likely to be strongly affected by something that affects no one else when they see/hear it, but the entire aim of those films is to make you think, and for some reason that just makes me too disinterested to bother thinking. The uninitentional things are what gets me. I don't know about Lynch's films though, you'd have to name some for me to say.

My friend's dad had a copy as I recall, and told us it was a must see movie. He was kinda shocked when we came back up 30 mins later returning it as I recall haha.[/QUOTE]
Unintentional things meaning things that just spark a connection with you for no reason? I know what you mean, but I love movies that make you think or seem to make no sense. At least, I love David Lynch's.

Other Lynch I recommend: Mulholland Dr, Lost Highway, Blue Velvet. Those are his big accomplishments, other than Eraserhead. Blue Velvet has more of a connecting story line than the others. You may also like his more "normal" films, The Straight Story and Elephant Man, which is often considered a classic. He also had a phenomenal TV series on ABC called Twin Peaks in the early ninties. You may like that.

[QUOTE=Jom]"You want answers?!"

"I want the truth!"

"You can't HANDLE the truth!"

This was a pretty okay movie, I think.[/QUOTE]

fix'd :)

my top 10:
1) The Shawshank Redemption
2) Do The Right Thing
3) The Godfather
4) Hoop Dreams
5) Fight Club
6) GoodFellas
7) Requiem For a Dream
8) Apocalypse Now
9) The Big Lebowski
10) The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly/Unforgiven/The Great Escape/Spinal Tap

[QUOTE=Kage]Unintentional things meaning things that just spark a connection with you for no reason? I know what you mean, but I love movies that make you think or seem to make no sense. At least, I love David Lynch's.

Other Lynch I recommend: Mulholland Dr, Lost Highway, Blue Velvet. Those are his big accomplishments, other than Eraserhead. Blue Velvet has more of a connecting story line than the others. You may also like his more "normal" films, The Straight Story and Elephant Man, which is often considered a classic. He also had a phenomenal TV series on ABC called Twin Peaks in the early ninties. You may like that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, kind of a good way to say it. Things that affect me because of who I am, not because of what they are. Ideas and lines that aren't meant to matter to someone really deeply, but do for some reason.

I've seen Blue Velvet and Mulholland Dr. Neither really did much for me either. Stuff like Requiem for a dream, Moulin Rouge, all those sorts of movies do nothing for me.

Requiem for a Dream didn't do anything for me either. I found it to be vastly overrated.

I guess you're just not a Lynch fan, then. :) It's really hit-or-miss with this kind of stuff, you know? At least you've been exposed to it and you can really say you don't like it.

[QUOTE=Kage]Requiem for a Dream didn't do anything for me either. I found it to be vastly overrated.

I guess you're just not a Lynch fan, then. :) It's really hit-or-miss with this kind of stuff, you know? At least you've been exposed to it and you can really say you don't like it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I like making informed decisions so at the least I can say I'm doing that. Im not even that into films to be honest, but a lot of my friends are, so I've seen many of the most acclaimed ones that way. Personally I like just watching a good martial arts flick or something like that. :p

Am I the only one that thinks The Godfather, Part II is better than the first?

[QUOTE=Kurtz]Am I the only one that thinks The Godfather, Part II is better than the first?[/QUOTE]

I dunno...they're close, but as far as I'm concerned, you can't top Brando, Pacino, Caan, and Duvall, and Diane Keaton plays a bigger role in Part II, which is negative.

Speaking of Brando, I also really like On The Waterfront...that should probably replace Requeim For a Dream on my list.

I've never seen a single Godfather movie. :(

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I've never seen a single Godfather movie. :([/QUOTE]

It's all good, nor have I.

I doubt that "it's all good". :p

I feel it's a must-see.

And I know none of you like sports, but Field Of Dreams is another great movie.