[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Yeah... but when he doesn't wank, its pure gold. Like a few of the ones in A Change of Seasons.[/QUOTE]
Yeah man, especially Lines In The Sand and Scarred solos. :cool:

Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.

[QUOTE=badtaste]Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.[/QUOTE]
if i were to put down a list of DT albums in order of greatness, Octavarium will be down the bottom along with Falling into Infinity. they both have some great tracks, but overall, they're predictable and boring.

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]Yeah. [B]He used to have great riffage and not as wank solos back on Images and Words[/B], and now he's moved to this extremely low open string boring riff cycle and wankfest.[/QUOTE]

Images and Words has awesome riffage and solos. :thumb: That part in "Learning to Live", about 8 minutes in, guitar solo then a keyboard solo, it's so beautiful sounding.

[QUOTE=red barchetta]if i were to put down a list of DT albums in order of greatness, Octavarium will be down the bottom along with Falling into Infinity. they both have some great tracks, but overall, they're predictable and boring.[/QUOTE]

yeh i was dissappointed with Octavarium when I bought it. Apart from Octavarium itself i think the album is pretty lame, I really don't like the blatent Muse influenced songs cause they don't bring out the bands talents. I&W, SFAM and TOT are definatly my favourite three albums with Octavarium somewhere at the bottom.

Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.

[QUOTE=satchforever]Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.[/QUOTE]
Dude, you know nothing about DT or what? You know Mike wrote The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul and The Root of All Evil so that they would be connected...that's why. Notice how the break down riff in TGP and TDS are the same? Its the premise man

[QUOTE=IvortheEngineDriver]Dude, you know nothing about DT or what? You know Mike wrote The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul and The Root of All Evil so that they would be connected...that's why. Notice how the break down riff in TGP and TDS are the same? Its the premise man[/QUOTE]

Yes, I'm aware of the connection between the songs due to the lyrical content being about alcoholism. Them using the chorus from "This Dying Soul" again really pisses me off though. A guitar riff is one thing. "The Glass Prison" has many guitar riffs in it, so using one again isn't so bad. However, taking the entire chorus to a song and using it in another song is more so being lazy considering that the two songs were written a few years apart from each other. What, they couldn't have come up with another original section? By the way, what does "Dude, you know nothing about DT or what?" even mean? I have a problem with a song, so you assume I know nothing about the band? It's called an opinion, buddy.

[QUOTE=satchforever]Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.[/QUOTE]

So, what their recent decline in quality in their albums (I agree with your opinion of Octavarium,) can anybody tell me what their live act is like? Lots of 90s stuff, or more recent music?

they play all sorts of stuff live
some Awake stuff, some I&W, some WDADU, some ToT, and some 8vm :(

the music is good, although their stage presence isn't all that great

[QUOTE=the2stranger] although their stage presence isn't all that great[/QUOTE]
Understatement ++

I'm new here.. holy crap this thread is huge, anyway i just started listening to DT and i'm loving it. It's so different than all the other stuff out there it really is unique.
Are there any other bands out there in the same genre that come close to sounding like these guys?

[QUOTE=scenesfromatheater]yeh i was dissappointed with Octavarium when I bought it. Apart from Octavarium itself i think the album is pretty lame, I really don't like the blatent Muse influenced songs cause they don't bring out the bands talents. I&W, SFAM and TOT are definatly my favourite three albums with Octavarium somewhere at the bottom.[/QUOTE]
I pretty much just like the first and last songs on Octavarium. Other than that, the album is useless.

You could just look for bands who play Progressive Metal, like Symphony X for example (I've never heard Symphony X so I don't know if they sound anything alike), I believe the band Circus Maximus sound very similar to Dream Theater (Although, the singer is very different to LaBrie)...

Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?[/QUOTE]


Stream of consciousness is my favorite at the moment.

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]Stream of consciousness is my favorite at the moment.[/QUOTE]
That song is awesome.
My friend finally ordered DT tickets, I'm so happy!

[QUOTE=Happy]That song is awesome.
My friend finally ordered DT tickets, I'm so happy![/QUOTE]


When are you seeing them?

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]When are you seeing them?[/QUOTE]
I'm not completely sure, it's one of the London gigs later on this month.

[QUOTE=Happy]I'm not completely sure, it's one of the London gigs later on this month.[/QUOTE]


Thats cool. How much were the tickets?

[QUOTE=GenuineImitation]Thats cool. How much were the tickets?[/QUOTE]
I'm not too sure, he's returning the favour because I bought tickets to the last gig we went to. I think they were around £25

I want to go to a dream theater show. I missed them on Gigantour and I was really pissed. Considering theat Dream Theater, Nevermore, Symphony X and Megadeth are some of my favorite bands.

Meh, I really can't get into Awake much...

Apart from Space dye vest, which is probably one of my favourite DT songs...

Mmm... surrounded live... :inahappyplace:

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?[/QUOTE]
Hell's Kitchen

[QUOTE=red barchetta]Hell's Kitchen[/QUOTE]
Bombay Vindaloo

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]Bombay Vindaloo[/QUOTE]
and that as well

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?[/QUOTE]

The Ytse Jam
Erotomania
The Dance of Eternity

[QUOTE=Happy]I'm not completely sure, it's one of the London gigs later on this month.[/QUOTE]
See you there :D I'm row L, what about you (if you know yet)?

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?[/QUOTE]

The Instumedley live at Budokan

[QUOTE=Ad Absurdum]See you there :D I'm row L, what about you (if you know yet)?[/QUOTE]
I don't know yet. I'll say when I do.

Holy crap, Stream of Consciousness is really good... but really nothing is similar to Overture 1928, i can't get enough of it!!!

I'm seeing DT in 8days can't wait :)

[QUOTE=scenesfromatheater]The Instumedley live at Budokan[/QUOTE]


Thats another good intrumental.

[QUOTE=Dragon_Prince]I'm seeing DT in 8days can't wait :)[/QUOTE]

Even though i just kinda started listening to these guys, i can tell you are one lucky bastard :angry:

I have to wait until they next tour here... Why the hell are they going to WOLVERHAMPTON!!??

[QUOTE=Lord Abortion]I have to wait until they next tour here... Why the hell are they going to WOLVERHAMPTON!!??[/QUOTE]
Because they have poor knowledge of English cities.

[QUOTE=badtaste]Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.[/QUOTE]


octavarium is one of my favorite songs by them,along with panic attack and the root of all evil, and i've heard images and words

[QUOTE=Enlighten Me]Even though i just kinda started listening to these guys, i can tell you are one lucky bastard :angry:[/QUOTE]


well i met them

how lucky am i

and it was free

They must have a poor knowlege...

I want them to come to Newcastle!

but that's as likely as them releasing a grindcore album...

...or as likely as Myung becoming a goth and joining a satanic black metal band as the vocalist?!?

yay, i cant wait for the gig at wolverhampton, 24 days to go (i think)