[QUOTE=Gnarmageddon;17699483]do you like attack attack? cool, me too.[/QUOTE]

band makes me want to MOSH but i dont want to mess up my HAIR

From their hardtimes interview: "A lot of people don't think we would be heavy, but we have like, heavy *** breakdowns" and then some **** about having "pink and purple in [their] name" but I think he meant logo.

So ****ing stupid.

[QUOTE=Xomblies;17699400]what the hell is the matter with you?[/QUOTE]
Honestly, you are a dime-a-dozen poster who comes in here acting like you're the genre police, when in reality you have no basis for what you're posting. It happens at least once every few months.

The part about THOUSANDS of shows was a joke. I was looking through your posts to figure out whether or not you were just a troll, and that jumped out at me.

Now that I realize you are a real poster, I sincerely apologize and hope you enjoy your stay at out forums.



But really... you like [I]Milo Goes To College[/I] so you probably aren't nearly as bad as some of the idiots that roll through here.

I'm going to make an argument for the sake of arguing, and because frankly arguing otherwise might up your cool points and recognize your self-worth in understanding that you know more about a certain underground facet of music than someone else, but it doesn't amount to much.

Genre classification is a system created by the people, for the people. It's used only for consumerism. Whether that means that a genre term is used by the people listening to the specific type of music, or if it used by those making the music to lump things together as a form of target advertising, consumerism is the only end goal.

Emotional hardcore was a term used back in '85 to identify bands like Rites of Spring and whatever was going on in Revolution Summer. Bastardization occurs, and we get the end goal "emo".

Some more poop happens, the west coast turns things around with heroin and swing kids, and we get "screamo".

Now both of those scenes continue in the underground, up until today, and they don't really show any signs of stopping just yet. But in the meantime, Sunny Day Real Estate goes all indie rock, takes that midwest sound, tours with Jimmy Eats World, yada yada yada, a new group of bands becomes labeled emo.

Also, note that post-hardcore happened and it was Fuazi.

Now we have all these bands today being called emo, and screamo, incorrectly. Or so we claim it to be "incorrect" use. But how can it be incorrect, it's simple a genre classification used by the people and for the people. Because of consumerism, these bands were lumped into a category that doesn't really have anywhere else to go, and it's labeled as something that also defines something else. There are now two screamos and two emos, but they're both as such, because what else could they be? They're not post-hardcore... because that label applies to something different as well.

But without doubt, something is what it is because we claim it to be that. An apple is an apple, an orange is an orange, and Chiodos is screamo because it isn't something else. People place too much emphasis on this simple term defining their movement, but also a different movement. They're not incorrect, they're simply part of something different. It's futile to argue otherwise. Those bands have to be either screamo or post-hardcore, regardless of the fact that those two genres also carry different, underground connotations.

Defeater ain't no Minor Threat.

[QUOTE=cobert;17699670]after ignoring the new Teenage Cool Kids for like 8 months I regret it because it's really good.[/QUOTE]

Foreign Lands and Queer Salutations both rule hard.

****, i missed my philosophy final because i wrote down the wrong date.

If you do not perceive your final, it does not exist

[QUOTE=AIRIC;17699882]If you do not perceive your final, it does not exist[/QUOTE]

I'm a solipsist! You can be too, but it wouldn't matter much.

lol solipsism joke

I don't even know what that means but I'm sure its super funny

[QUOTE=nervous white dad;17699813]Foreign Lands and Queer Salutations both rule hard.

****, i missed my philosophy final because i wrote down the wrong date.[/QUOTE]

I had a nightmare that i slept through a final and another was about to start and I didn't study.

THen I had a dream where some bikers pulled up to a dirt parking lot me and some friends were in and started **** with us while wielding a variety of hand tools (hammer, hatchet) and then somebody threw a rock at the one dude's face and we all threw stones at them and then ran away to a city where everything was poorly constructed from wood and painted red and minarets topped every building and all of the buildings were empty but we hid from the bikers in there.

And some other dream that I forget. I keep taking short naps instead of whole nights of sleep so apparently that makes you more likely to remember dreams.

i didnt read anything indietrash said but im going to half agree with him but add that the other half is probably horribly retarded.

[QUOTE=Xomblies;17699583]i get what you're saying now

Edit: ps unless equal vision is a sub of warner, then they're not on warner... or if there is some news i haven't heard of yet...[/QUOTE]

Warner released their second album (I think EV did too but idk)

[QUOTE=cbmartinez;17698136]the gloria record sucks and no one has heard/cares about those other two dumb obscure bands[/QUOTE]

man you used to love the gloria record.

lol

[QUOTE=christsimpson;17700327]Warner released their second album (I think EV did too but idk)[/QUOTE]

warner [I]may [/I]have published it... but they're still an equal vision band

Did anyone read the post I wrote, or are people turned away by paragraphs on a message board?

Yeah I was just sorta like "tl;dr" tbh.

[QUOTE=Mute Print;17699794]Honestly, you are a dime-a-dozen poster who comes in here acting like you're the genre police, when in reality you have no basis for what you're posting. It happens at least once every few months.

The part about THOUSANDS of shows was a joke. I was looking through your posts to figure out whether or not you were just a troll, and that jumped out at me.

Now that I realize you are a real poster, I sincerely apologize and hope you enjoy your stay at out forums.



But really... you like [I]Milo Goes To College[/I] so you probably aren't nearly as bad as some of the idiots that roll through here.[/QUOTE]

thanks for the warm welcome? heh

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700782]Did anyone read the post I wrote, or are people turned away by paragraphs on a message board?[/QUOTE]

i read it, and i think it's legitimate. You're taking an objective point of view which is nice :)

People in this scene are too ****ing elitist. Subjectively, your usage of a term to define something other than what we use to define it is not any worse. It's simply different. People are into different things, but that doesn't make me better than you for liking something that existed before what you liked and carried the same terminology.

I'm just sick of seeing this response in this thread:

Newbie: I like screamo, underoath is cool.
MX User: OMG You'RE A MORON! you KNow NOTHING! listen. let me give you a history lesson on why you're wrong about everything.
Newbie: I like "an undefined genre", underoath is cool.

What comes of it?

We're trying to build a master race of music elitists, clearly.

Regardless of the humor you've attached to that statement, it ain't going to happen. As soon as everyone around you recognized that emo and screamo mean something underground and cool, and as soon as the DIY emo becomes popular, the people originally into it would be too elitist to listen to it anymore. If you're trying to enforce elitism, you're actually opposing it.

[QUOTE=IgniteYourAvail;17700831]We're trying to build a master race of music elitists, clearly.[/QUOTE]

looooooool

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700822]People in this scene are too ****ing elitist. Subjectively, your usage of a term to define something other than what we use to define it is not any worse. It's simply different. People are into different things, but that doesn't make me better than you for liking something that existed before what you liked and carried the same terminology.

I'm just sick of seeing this response in this thread:

Newbie: I like screamo, underoath is cool.
MX User: OMG You'RE A MORON! you KNow NOTHING! listen. let me give you a history lesson on why you're wrong about everything.
Newbie: I like "an undefined genre", underoath is cool.

What comes of it?[/QUOTE]

hahaha, well i guess that's just the way things are, unfortunately some don't see these new bands as the offspring of the ones they love rather some kind of red headed step child that they resent paying for when they go out to applebees. I see it as more of an evolved, refined version of the original i mean come on, chiodos has sweep picking and linear song structures... that's a little more advanced than four chords being pounded out on an out of tune korean series tele. I'm glad everyone here is such an elitist though, it expands my music library, and though i may not actively listen to most of the bands (and yes i actually checked a lot of them out) i can at least appreciate where, i as a musician, can trace back my own influences and know that where i come from is credible and am just in doing my part to push the envelope :)

give me an example of the lineage between screamo genre defining bands such as orchid, saetia, pg. 99 and bands such as chiodos and underoath. it's cool to like what you like but don't label it as something it's not.

doud, read pre existing posts, let's not perpetuate this SUBJECTIVE argument k?

no it's not a subjective argument, genre is an objective label applied to a musical group for classification.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;17700942]no it's not a subjective argument, genre is an objective label applied to a musical group for classification.[/QUOTE]

you're not being objective, you're being an elitist. besides the people calling chiodos screamo to not ratio isn't exactly in your favor if you want to go that route

[QUOTE=whiteminority;17700931]give me an example of the lineage between screamo genre defining bands such as orchid, saetia, pg. 99 and bands such as chiodos and underoath. it's cool to like what you like but don't label it as something it's not.[/QUOTE]

No, I don't agree with Xomblies simply because of the post he just made. But because of genre classification, chiodos and underoath, while sharing no lineage to bands like orchid and pg.99, both reserve the right to the genre term "screamo". What else would you call it? Genre is objective, but because it is created by the people error is going to occur. The people mislabeled something, but it stuck, and now the term is used to define two different things. But, in the present moment, there is no other way to categorize it. It's a different screamo, for sure, but that's what it is whether we like it or not.

[QUOTE=Xomblies;17700957]you're not being objective, you're being an elitist[/QUOTE]

how the **** am i being an elitist? if i were an elitist i would tell you taste in music is worthless and you should go hang yourself for attempting to discuss this type of music.

i asked you a simple question you jump to accusations instead of realizing, that oh ****, i might actually know what i'm talking about on this subject.

[QUOTE=Xomblies;17700957]you're not being objective, you're being an elitist[/QUOTE]

You're also being elitist by claiming that your screamo is refined and more advanced. Which is falso. Sweeping is not refined. It's easier to replicate. Old screamo was something that was more advanced in reference to it's own genre because it was an outlet of emotion unlike any other genre. It was raw and barbaric at times, but also soothing and melodic at other times. Your version of screamo is not better, and in my opinion, subjectively worse, because it is so much more cookie cutter designed. Regardless, that doesn't hinder on my argument that they're both labeled as screamo.

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700970]You're also being elitist by claiming that your screamo is refined and more advanced. Which is falso. Sweeping is not refined. It's easier to replicate. Old screamo was something that was more advanced in reference to it's own genre because it was an outlet of emotion unlike any other genre. It was raw and barbaric at times, but also soothing and melodic at other times. Your version of screamo is not better, and in my opinion, subjectively worse, because it is so much more cookie cutter designed. Regardless, that doesn't hinder on my argument that they're both labeled as screamo.[/QUOTE]

objection sustained

[QUOTE=whiteminority;17700968]how the **** am i being an elitist? if i were an elitist i would tell you taste in music is worthless and you should go hang yourself for attempting to discuss this type of music.

i asked you a simple question you jump to accusations instead of realizing, that oh ****, i might actually know what i'm talking about on this subject.[/QUOTE]

chill

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700970]You're also being elitist by claiming that your screamo is refined and more advanced. Which is falso. Sweeping is not refined. It's easier to replicate. Old screamo was something that was more advanced in reference to it's own genre because it was an outlet of emotion unlike any other genre. It was raw and barbaric at times, but also soothing and melodic at other times. Your version of screamo is not better, and in my opinion, subjectively worse, because it is so much more cookie cutter designed. Regardless, that doesn't hinder on my argument that they're both labeled as screamo.[/QUOTE]

Well said, brah.

[QUOTE=Xomblies;17700973]chill[/QUOTE]

watch your mouth before you go acting like an idiot then.

to be honest you can trace the lineage of those bands but i doubt you would know the bands that laid the foundation for that sound, but because i feel like being a nice guy i'll fill you in, check out the band Dispensing of False Halos, they were a contemporary band of the screamo era that were described at the time as "too metal for the screamo kids and too screamo for the metal kids." they definitely were among the first to adapt something besides hardcore/grind/power violence to the screamo sound and any band after that with the sound were followers and not innovators.

[QUOTE=whiteminority;17700977]watch your mouth before you go acting like an idiot then.

to be honest you can trace the lineage of those bands but i doubt you would know the bands that laid the foundation for that sound, but because i feel like being a nice guy i'll fill you in, check out the band Dispensing of False Halos, they were a contemporary band of the screamo era that were described at the time as "too metal for the screamo kids and too screamo for the metal kids." they definitely were among the first to adapt something besides hardcore/grind/power violence to the screamo sound and any band after that with the sound were followers and not innovators.[/QUOTE]

represent

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700970]You're also being elitist by claiming that your screamo is refined and more advanced. Which is falso. Sweeping is not refined. It's easier to replicate. Old screamo was something that was more advanced in reference to it's own genre because it was an outlet of emotion unlike any other genre. It was raw and barbaric at times, but also soothing and melodic at other times. Your version of screamo is not better, and in my opinion, subjectively worse, because it is so much more cookie cutter designed. Regardless, that doesn't hinder on my argument that they're both labeled as screamo.[/QUOTE]

i was thinking about what you said about old screamo having more emotion, i think that may be a little more subject to perception, but overall you're right man, i am no better than the other side, but i am open minded to listen to why one would think chiodos isn't.

I don't mean oh you can't place chiodos in a genre so they have to be screamo by default of the average listener, nor do i want a list of bands who supposedly started the genre, i've gotten those and i've listened. what i'm asking is HOW the people who disagree with me differentiate the two in a way that actually has to do with the music itself

Genres only exist "by default of the average listener" which is the point I'm trying to make.

The difference between the two genres of screamo is as follows:

Screamo #1 is punk
Screamo #2 is not so much

Aesthetics. It's all about the aesthetics.

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700822]People in this scene are too ****ing elitist. Subjectively, your usage of a term to define something other than what we use to define it is not any worse. It's simply different. People are into different things, but that doesn't make me better than you for liking something that existed before what you liked and carried the same terminology.

I'm just sick of seeing this response in this thread:

Newbie: I like screamo, underoath is cool.
MX User: OMG You'RE A MORON! you KNow NOTHING! listen. let me give you a history lesson on why you're wrong about everything.
Newbie: I like "an undefined genre", underoath is cool.

What comes of it?[/QUOTE]
undefined genre = metalcore

problem solved :>

[QUOTE=iamrockzorz;17700989]Genres only exist "by default of the average listener" which is the point I'm trying to make.

The difference between the two genres of screamo is as follows:

Screamo #1 is punk
Screamo #2 is not so much

Aesthetics. It's all about the aesthetics.[/QUOTE]

you can definitely hear the difference, and i can understand why it would be iritating for someone to lump the two together when you're a fan of one or the other because their similarities are why we would classify either as screamo. All i was saying with my first post in this thread; include the bands that many other people also classify as screamo... even if it's not your own personally. I'm not by any means saying that the bands originally posted aren't. Just that there's a lack of respect for people who think there are more bands to be added to the list. and i find it silly that they haven't been because there are some people who simply don't think they're punk enough... does that make sense?