you should really practice it both ways....


you should be doing it both ways. try down up down (15 12 15) and up down up (15 12 15)

you could practice it repcak's way, but that style of economy picking is actually slower...

if you wanted to do proper economy picking you COULD do it down down up, but again, you would run into the same problem

down up down (15 12 15) and up down up (15 12 15) :thumb: -> best way to play it

I only practise it strict alternate picking starting with a down (outside picking)

well, obviously i would incorporate economy of motion, if thats what you favor.

I like to get reference points in my head as to the best way to pick the strings individually. Ill even practice that for a few minutes until i have EXACTLY how I would down stroke on the 15s, and the upstroke on the 12th.

At that point, it's all about having that change come through when you speed it up.

Also, if you are having problems with outside picking, come up with some licks that are all about string crossing/outside picking

Most people favor outside picking, hence the fact I like to practice both in tandem.

i'm not 100% sure, but i think my wrist is healed...

my wrist feels normal - it doesn't hurt anymore :D

[QUOTE=repcak;13367183]down up down (15 12 15) and up down up (15 12 15) :thumb: -> best way to play it[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I don't see the problem with that riff, though I haven't heard the song.


Needled 24/7 intro solo has something similar to that.

Anyone going to the Palladium, MA Amon Amarth, COB show?

Dude wtf, they aren't playing in SF, CA man!! WTF!

[QUOTE=Crickets On A Plane;13370666]Agreed. I don't see the problem with that riff, though I haven't heard the song.


Needled 24/7 intro solo has something similar to that.[/QUOTE]

Nope.

e----12-----
b-15----15-

That's what I'm talking about.

Please refer to the first exercise in Paul Gilbert's Intense Rock I video to see how it should be played. :thumb:

[QUOTE=repcak;13367157]i don't see whats the problem with this lick...

e-----------12---------
b-12-13-15----15-13--
--d--u--d---d--d/u-u/d.

i would pick it like that... its not that hard[/QUOTE]

that's...quite odd.

i'd just go alternate all the way. if you start on down, that gives you inside-out picking which is easier than outside-in

That's what I'm using, I never use economy picking, except sweep picking. But I suck at that now.

inside picking is faster (considering you cover a smaller distance) but it gives people more problems, generally

as far as people "having a problem" with that riff -----> :lol:


it all depends on the speed to which your technique starts breaking down, and the syncopation between the two hands are compromised

how fast can you play it mitch?

[QUOTE=repcak;13373064]how fast can you play it mitch?[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying. :upset:

I can play stuff on one string, 6 notes per beat at 130bpm but on different strings it's more like 110bpm, and that's PG type perfect. But that's when I'm WARMED UP!! Usually, I can hit 80/90 if I concentrate...which isn't great.

c'mon say it....

on the other side your recordings are all much faster!!! you already recorded some 190bpm fast solos...!!

Yeah but that was all on one string and I can do that stuff pretty easily, I just haven't worked on going through the strings enough.

I can do it, I just need to get to the point where that's easy too. Actually I was playing loads of 3 notes per string exercises the other night at 70bpm with ease, just going through everything and seeing if I could do it. So at last I know I'm there for sure.

that's not too bad Mitch. I will say at least you know your weakness. If I were you, thats all I'd concentrate on for a while..


that and your picking hand

Yeah that's what I want to start doing. Hopefully I'll get the whole day to do it.

I was thinking about Paul Gilbert and how quick he got good.

He started again at 9 after giving up at 6 and then got good and appeared in guitar magazines when he was 15...he got like that in 6 years...that's amazing.

He was then a guitar teacher at GIT when he was 18.

eh, im really not impressed by that at all, considering ive been playing for 26 months...

I think it all has to do with your approach, and how much you "want" it (passion)

I'm going to sound like a total **** and whatnot here, but I don't care. If I really put work into it and really pushed myself, I guarantee you guys that I could be an extremely respected guitarist in the industry at a very young age. For some reason though I just don't have the drive.

no, it's true...

like I said before, thats really the deciding factor if you want to be good at anything (passion)

[QUOTE=Wotan;13373533]I'm going to sound like a total **** and whatnot here, but I don't care. If I really put work into it and really pushed myself, I guarantee you guys that I could be an extremely respected guitarist in the industry at a very young age. For some reason though I just don't have the drive.[/QUOTE]

i used to think that. ive only been playin about a year and a half, never had a guitar teacher or anythin, but i can play laiho's solos. hate me is my favourite at the moment, its got everythin in it.

I don't think anyone is this thread has a guitar teacher...


That being said, I would love to find a teacher that fit my needs, but those are extremely hard to come by in this area

yeah thats what im after aswell, someone who suits me. very hard to find here aswell

i have a teacher... well... i go to him once in two months maybe and till yet he explained theory to me...
tbh. its not really a teacher... i hardly go to him

that's one of the big reasons I want to become a teacher. Sure, I don't yet understand all the theory I really should, but as far as technique is concerned, I have yet to find a teacher with better technique.

btw is there an easy way to changin a 8 bars of music from C#m to Fm?

im not exactly sure what you are asking :confused:

are you asking for a lick that could link up those 2 chords, or what?

no ive wrote this section that is in C#m, and i want it played again later in the song but in a different key, preferably Fm. but im havin trouble changin the notes, it sounds wrong

its probably the key of the music that is off, or doens't mesh well...

give me an example and I can see if it helps

You could also jot down a list of the notes you are playing in C#m, and just use a different mode, which is what I would do. It would be the same notes, just arranged differently.

If you wanted to keep the same intervals, you might have to change up the notes