[QUOTE=I0Play0Bass]Dave: Yes I am.

Cil: I just want you to know...I have never...EVER...had more respect for you than I do right now. I know you probably don't care, but I wanna let you know that...we have very similar political views.

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-Gav[/QUOTE]

Before you leave.

What other "powers" did you get that you didn't before?

[QUOTE=Dave.Rws]Before you leave.

What other "powers" did you get that you didn't before?[/QUOTE]

I can ban, unban, edit polls, moderate in every forum, check status of banned users, know every user that is online and what thread/forum they're viewing, edit posts in every forum, change thread titles in every forum...it's pretty cool.

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-Gav

[QUOTE=Cil]I'm actually supposed to be getting a letter from one of them soon. His name is Eric-he's serving a life sentence for killing his wife, after his wife threatened to kill his son, who is now parentless.[/QUOTE]
i agree, instutionalization is pointless and expensive. imagine all the people who could be helped if prisons didnt exsist. sadly, im not smart enough to come up with a better system, but i think its evident that prisons are rediculasly detrimental to society.

I enjoy how republican's speak of people as if they're not people, but "members of society."

They have the audacity to accuse me of being a horrible person because I watch gangbang videos and play Resident Evil.

But, they're good people-because they send people to their death in a political war for a facist, criminal president.

But, they're good people because they lock away these desperate, miserable people. These people who have run out of options, and want more than anything to just have another way out, and a life free of the negativity that made them "act out."

[QUOTE=I0Play0Bass]Exactly.

Sheehan = Speed
Wooten = Shrooms (either insane or really smooth)
Flea = heroin

etc.

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-Gav[/QUOTE]
I think flea = meth would be more accurate.

myung would be some kind of designer drug

Aston Barrett would have to be marijuana

Sheehan would be coke, I think

Justin Chancellor would be DMT

Les Claypool would be mushrooms

I cant figure someone out for acid...

[QUOTE=Tryxx]I think people should be able to have guns if they can pass an IQ/Common Sense test. I've gone hunting many times, guns should be taken away from my family.

I'm against abortion, but I'm for killing babies. (Thank you Maddox)[/QUOTE]

Fair enough...my reasoning behind my pro-gun views is that if our government does one day become something that is no longer for the majority (as it should be) and is oppressive and evil, it's the only possible chance we'd concievably have to fight back.

[QUOTE=Led_Zeppelin678]I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with our other argument, but that's ridiculous. There's no way you can justify murder with saying it's how someone was born. They can choose what they do, and if they choose to kill someone they know the consequences. I don't have a problem with the rest of your statement...most of them probably aren't horrible people...but that is just idiotic.[/QUOTE]

Open your eyes, man...look away from your religion.

Humans are instinctual killers. I'm not saying it's good, but that's how things are...

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-Gav

[QUOTE=Led_Zeppelin678]I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with our other argument, but that's ridiculous. There's no way you can justify murder with saying it's how someone was born. They can choose what they do, and if they choose to kill someone they know the consequences. I don't have a problem with the rest of your statement...most of them probably aren't horrible people...but that is just idiotic.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying it's how somebody was born. Murder is a natural human instinct, it's the third layer of our cerebral cortex. Some people practice more control over said cerebrum.

Take a psychology class, or a physiology class before you attempt to throw your morals at me.

Cil = My hero

[QUOTE=Led_Zeppelin678]Fair enough...my reasoning behind my pro-gun views is that if our government does one day become something that is no longer for the majority (as it should be) and is oppressive and evil, it's the only possible chance we'd concievably have to fight back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amendments of the United States of America]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[/QUOTE]

The founding fathers were brilliant men...do you think they meant to say any idiot could grab a gun? No! It's meant for state militia! People just twist it to justify guns. :rolleyes:

I hate gun laws here...guns need to be made illegal. Look at Britain; even police offers don't have guns there and that nation is thriving.

[url]http://www.shootfirstlaw.org/press/[/url]

Need I say more?

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-Gav

Every human is capable of murder. 90% of the time, murder is necessary. Locking people away? They're not a danger to society.



The columbine kids. You want to know who the danger to society is? Those pricks who threw glass at them every day. The "innocent bystanders" who consistantly demean and for no reason other than self appeasement torture these people. THEY are the danger. THEY are the ones to lock away.

[QUOTE=Led_Zeppelin678]Fair enough...my reasoning behind my pro-gun views is that if our government does one day become something that is no longer for the majority (as it should be) and is oppressive and evil, it's the only possible chance we'd concievably have to fight back.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense. People have the right to own guns. :thumb:

I just don't think I'd want to give a gun to ever person, like any privallege someone will abuse it. It's a fact. Of course, all laws are based on some form of idelologies.

[QUOTE=Cil]The columbine kids. You want to know who the danger to society is? Those pricks who threw glass at them every day. The "innocent bystanders" who consistantly demean and for no reason other than self appeasement torture these people. THEY are the danger. THEY are the ones to lock away.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=8]<3[/SIZE]

I think I love you...

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-Gav

[QUOTE=Cil]Every human is capable of murder. 90% of the time, murder is necessary. Locking people away? They're not a danger to society.



The columbine kids. You want to know who the danger to society is? Those pricks who threw glass at them every day. The "innocent bystanders" who consistantly demean and for no reason other than self appeasement torture these people. THEY are the danger. THEY are the ones to lock away.[/QUOTE]

You beat me to every stament Im about to make.

Hey Gav , what happend to bed :p

People have no reason to own guns.


Hey, US gov't-how about locking away your president? Sure, he didn't watch a fantasy of a woman sexing a dog, but he kills innocent animals...for fun.

Sick man, he is.

[QUOTE=I0Play0Bass]Open your eyes, man...look away from your religion.

Humans are instinctual killers. I'm not saying it's good, but that's how things are...

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-Gav[/QUOTE]

I don't have religion, I have faith. I believe what I see, and I do what I think is right.

Humans are also thinking, sentient beings that can grasp right and wrong. They know what they're doing...there are extenuating circumstances, of course...you can kill someone without murdering them, if that makes any sense...that Eric guy Cil was talking about sounded like one.

I don't want to judge people. We shouldn't judge people, people are SIMPLY people. There is no one above the rest, we should just be able to be. That's not always pretty, but it's us.

[QUOTE=Led_Zeppelin678]I don't have religion, I have faith. I believe what I see, and I do what I think is right.

Humans are also thinking, sentient beings that can grasp right and wrong. They know what they're doing...there are extenuating circumstances, of course...you can kill someone without murdering them, if that makes any sense...that Eric guy Cil was talking about sounded like one.[/QUOTE]

I'll ignore that you "believe what you see" and claim to be Christian, a faith that demands you believe what you DO NOT see, i.e., your God.

I'm not trying to change your beliefs, but come on, now. :p

I respect your opinion and stuff, I just completely disagree with it.

ANYWAY, yes, Dave, it's time for bed...:wave:

Cil<3

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-Gav

i dont like the fact that some one can just kill a person for steping on his shoe with a gun. before guns, people would not kill other for no reason. it takes ballsto kill someone with a rock. you right there blood splatering all over you. with a gun, your homie drives while you shoot, you dont acually have to deal with the result, you just hear about it on the evening news.

Voltaire > Most else.

Tommorow, I'm going to undermine my school's administration. I'm going to reveal their direct, and blatant violation of the Exon amendment, and their violation of state law to keep a custodian of records for people (expelled.)

They arrested me for something I said on a willingly participatable internet forum, and that is a violation. A huge one. The police also changed the information, altered evidence.

I have a case. I have a huge case. If I win, I'm looking at the destruction of the entire northern wisconsin department of public instruction.

Good Talk MX.

Im going to bed however. Early mourning.

:chug: Cheers.

<3 Cil :thumb:

[QUOTE=Cil]Every human is capable of murder. 90% of the time, murder is necessary. Locking people away? They're not a danger to society.



The columbine kids. You want to know who the danger to society is? Those pricks who threw glass at them every day. The "innocent bystanders" who consistantly demean and for no reason other than self appeasement torture these people. THEY are the danger. THEY are the ones to lock away.[/QUOTE]

I put up with a lot of that in the first high school I went to...I didn't have ANY friends, no girls liked me, I was a complete and total outcast who got beat up and made fun of. I also had a roomful of guns sitting around upstairs, and plenty of ammo.

SELF CONTROL.

I do agree with you about punishment for those who prey on people for amusement, though.

i just noticed they took madthumbs off as mod...

they gonna appoint someone else to be mod?

[QUOTE=Cil]I've spoken to many convicts, actually. It's moving, really. They aren't mindless sick, and depraved killers. They're human beings...they're being tortured on a daily basis for experiancing and acting out a human condition-the will to kill.

They don't want to "get out." Most of the murderers I've spoken to just want somebody to know they're not horrible people.[/QUOTE]
Acting upon the will to kill, what you call a natural human condition, is absolutely wrong. You seem to be attempting to justify this, and it isnt something to be justified.

Yes, they are as much human as anyone is, but they have done something wrong and now they are paying for it. They made the decision. I cant say I wouldnt rather die than spend life in prison, and that is why I dont plan on killing anybody.

Well, at least that's what I hope it brings about.

My parents don't support me in the slightest. ...Funny.

[QUOTE=Cil]Tommorow, I'm going to undermine my school's administration. I'm going to reveal their direct, and blatant violation of the Exon amendment, and their violation of state law to keep a custodian of records for people (expelled.)

They arrested me for something I said on a willingly participatable internet forum, and that is a violation. A huge one. The police also changed the information, altered evidence.

I have a case. I have a huge case. If I win, I'm looking at the destruction of the entire northern wisconsin department of public instruction.[/QUOTE]

You better keep me informed.

[QUOTE=Led_Zeppelin678]I put up with a lot of that in the first high school I went to...I didn't have ANY friends, no girls liked me, I was a complete and total outcast who got beat up and made fun of. I also had a roomful of guns sitting around upstairs, and plenty of ammo.

SELF CONTROL.

I do agree with you about punishment for those who prey on people for amusement, though.[/QUOTE]

No offense, but you're a little big to be beaten up. I can't really picture that happening, social distance sure, but I can't see you really being physically hurt.

[QUOTE=Banned]i just noticed they took madthumbs off as mod...

they gonna appoint someone else to be mod?[/QUOTE]

Gav replaced him

[QUOTE=Cil]Tommorow, I'm going to undermine my school's administration. I'm going to reveal their direct, and blatant violation of the Exon amendment, and their violation of state law to keep a custodian of records for people (expelled.)

They arrested me for something I said on a willingly participatable internet forum, and that is a violation. A huge one. The police also changed the information, altered evidence.

I have a case. I have a huge case. If I win, I'm looking at the destruction of the entire northern wisconsin department of public instruction.[/QUOTE]
:lol: whats your real name? i would like to hear about this on the news. i believe you can do it.

He should be able to do it. But my lost faith in humanity tells me it's going to be far too hard a battle to win.

[QUOTE=Dave.Rws]Gav replaced him[/QUOTE]

no, he replaced sub...

because madthumbs was still a mod when Gav was promoted it...

[QUOTE=coddingtown]Acting upon the will to kill, what you call a natural human condition, is absolutely wrong. You seem to be attempting to justify this, and it isnt something to be justified.

Yes, they are as much human as anyone is, but they have done something wrong and now they are paying for it. They made the decision. I cant say I wouldnt rather die than spend life in prison, and that is why I dont plan on killing anybody.[/QUOTE]

You are ignorant to many facts. Every person is born with a will to kill. That will is satisfied by our grotesque amount of goods, though.

It's in the outer layer of our brain, which is controlled by our "crocodile brain." In the third layer of the cerebral cortex, lies the will to kill if necessary. Which research has proven, 90% of murder is necessary.

Some excersize control, yes. In fact, most do. But locking people away for one mistake, one lack of judgement?

In no way am I speaking for all murderers-but from your statement, you obviously know NOTHING of the american prison system, or the people serving time for murder. Not to mention the fact you're ignorant to the basic structure of the human brain.

[QUOTE=Cil]Tommorow, I'm going to undermine my school's administration. I'm going to reveal their direct, and blatant violation of the Exon amendment, and their violation of state law to keep a custodian of records for people (expelled.)

They arrested me for something I said on a willingly participatable internet forum, and that is a violation. A huge one. The police also changed the information, altered evidence.

I have a case. I have a huge case. If I win, I'm looking at the destruction of the entire northern wisconsin department of public instruction.[/QUOTE]

Woah wait , you actually got arrested ?

Yes, it's why I frequently have been doing community service. Which I have now stopped.

[QUOTE=Tryxx]He should be able to do it. But my lost faith in humanity tells me it's going to be far too hard a battle to win.[/QUOTE]
no battle can be won against the will of a self destructive species. in 200 years, if we even exsist anymore :rolleyes: we will be hearding sheep and raising pigs. no goverment, no one to tell us what is right or wrong, just the land, the animals, and us. the way it is ment to be

/hippie

[QUOTE=I0Play0Bass]I'll ignore that you "believe what you see" and claim to be Christian, a faith that demands you believe what you DO NOT see, i.e., your God.

I'm not trying to change your beliefs, but come on, now. :p

I respect your opinion and stuff, I just completely disagree with it.

ANYWAY, yes, Dave, it's time for bed...:wave:

Cil<3

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-Gav[/QUOTE]

I've seen the results of prayer...like 3 members of my family surviving cancer, my parents getting back together after I'd never met my Dad and then winning a $100,000 court case which we used to buy this house, our truck, and the computer I'm using right now...and then, all of a sudden, I'm not the outcast I used to be. People like me now. (see previous post)

I also had a kind of...experience...that you can choose to believe or not believe. I'll tell you about it if you want to hear it, and I swear it's the truth, but it's not easy to believe if it didn't happen to you.

[QUOTE=Cil]Every human is capable of murder. [B]90% of the time, murder is necessary.[/B] Locking people away? [B]They're not a danger to society.[/B]



The columbine kids. You want to know who the danger to society is? Those pricks who threw glass at them every day. The "innocent bystanders" who consistantly demean and for no reason other than self appeasement torture these people. THEY are the danger. THEY are the ones to lock away.[/QUOTE]
The bolded statemens make you seem completely stupid. Murder is NEVER necessary. if someone commits murder it is fair to label that person a danger to society.

Regarding Columbine, yes it was wrong to turture kids like that. Of course that is wrong. It does not, however, permit excuse for what the shooters did. They should have dealt with it otherwise.

[QUOTE=Banned]no, he replaced sub...

because madthumbs was still a mod when Gav was promoted it...[/QUOTE]

LR was replaced by Sub , when LR came back for abit Sub was "let go".

When LR left again , Gav was moded.

And I believe MadThumbs said , he didn't want to be Mod anymore.


Atleast.. this is what Alex told me