They're well built from what I've read. A lot of owners are very happy with them. Check out their site for more info if you haven't.

yeah i did....seem....overpriced, i mean if you want them to be wrapped or anything, the money racks up....i dunno, i still like them though

Phattie is one of the cheaper custom companies.

yeah i know, but im cheap, hahahaha, oh yeah back to the point, im poor, which means i wont be getting anything anytime soon, but they are reasonable, just still expensive...but i mean, its drums, they arent cheap

I think Conaway is a bit cheaper than Phattie.

[url]http://www.conawaydrums.com/kits.htm[/url]
Scroll down for some kit prices.

[QUOTE=AMAC]The free Staind concert was frigin awesome.

I saw tons of boobies.

I was in some crazy pits.

A dude kicked me in the face while crowd surfing- that kind of hurt.

A hot chick wearing a mini-skirt went crowd surfing, the view was wonderful.

Staind rocks much harder than I thought they did.[/QUOTE]

^Yeah, I just bought their new album, "Chapter 5", and it's quite a bit harder then their previous ones. I like it. Melodic rock kicks *** :cool:

hehe all my neighbors have unsecured wireless conections.

[QUOTE=styler]lol sweet, which L&M do you go to?[/QUOTE]
The one on grandville and 7th. I'm assuming you're from vancouver too, so what about you?

Guys, is it worth the effort to trade my DW 4002 for a Sonor 492S? (both doubles).

Both are equally good in my opinon....
If you really want to change the pedals, do it....

*That was of absolutely no help - Sorry!*

I dunno, I just think to myself, "Could Lang do the stuff he does on a DW 4002?"

Maybe he's just used to the feel of the Sonor pedal. But I expect, if he was told to sit at a kit (with some other brand of pedal) and play something, he would be equally impressive....

[QUOTE]"Could Lang do the stuff he does on a DW 4002?"[/QUOTE]
Easily.

But should I change? I hate my 4002.

Get the sonor then....
If your unhappy with your equipment, and you get a chance to change it, I'd say do so....Just so long as you don't waste money or stuff....
If you don't you may be kicking yourself later....

My Rhyhthm course booking has been confirmed. I will be studying with Mike Mangini from the 20th till the 27th.

Well he's not the only one I hang with. I also got:

Steve Alexander
Pete Zeldman
Bob Armstrong
Drumbassadors (holy crap!)
Ian Thomas
Lawrence Cottle
Pete Riley
Colin Woolway

And of course THE Mike Mangini!

Sponsors include: Pearl, Mapex, Zildjian, Paiste, Remo, Yamaha, Beyer Dynamic, and Bath Spa University College.

Gawd dayum im a lucky fuc[I]k[/I]er!

Haha that'll be fun stuff.

I fear however you will not gain nearly as much as you think out of it. If you don't understand why Lang could very EASILY do the stuff he does on a 4002, you have much to learn about basic technique. Mike's not going to be able to show you anything more then any other instructor will.

Oh come on Josiah, its not that. You know what I meant. 4002's are very cumbersome. Are the Sonors the same, or lighter?

The Sonor's are prob lighter because they are more expensive, better built etc.. it still doesn't matter for players of that caliber.

Actually, it wouldn't matter to me either.

You should be able to sit down at any kit, with any pedal and be able to play "at level". That is technique.


On another note.. today or tomorrow.. today or tomorrow.. prob tomorrow.. but I want it today. Darn waiting sucks!

[QUOTE=British Boy]My Rhyhthm course booking has been confirmed. I will be studying with Mike Mangini from the 20th till the 27th.

Well he's not the only one I hang with. I also got:

Steve Alexander
Pete Zeldman
Bob Armstrong
Drumbassadors (holy crap!)
Ian Thomas
Lawrence Cottle
Pete Riley
Colin Woolway

And of course THE Mike Mangini!

Sponsors include: Pearl, Mapex, Zildjian, Paiste, Remo, Yamaha, Beyer Dynamic, and Bath Spa University College.

Gawd dayum im a lucky fuc[I]k[/I]er![/QUOTE]

I hate you...

And the drumbassadors rule. I saw a gig of them in a small bar in Antwerp a few years ago. That was actually one of their first gigs, they just started coming out then. These guys are REALLY cool. Fun stuff to watch also.

Ok, ill rephrase what I said.

Would Lang feel more comfortable doing his thing on a Sonor or 4002.


My guess is the Sonor, disregarding the fact hes been using them for years.

You know your an MX Junkie when you hit:

[CENTER][SIZE=7][COLOR=Lime]!!! 5000 POSTS !!![/COLOR][/SIZE]

:D :thumb: :D :smoke: :chug: :smoke: :D :cool: :D [/CENTER]

[QUOTE=British Boy]You know you have no life when you hit:

[CENTER][SIZE=7][COLOR=Lime]!!! 5000 POSTS !!![/COLOR][/SIZE]

:D :thumb: :D :smoke: :chug: :smoke: :D :cool: :D [/CENTER][/QUOTE]

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To be honest..

After 15 seconds he prob would forget what pedal his feet were on. That is the case with most players of profeciency.

While I don't play like Lang, it doesn't matter to me. My personal choice is that, and sure it's nice to have the secruity of mind that your equipment is yours, you know it, it won't break, etc..

But I sit down on all kinds of sets, with all kinds of pedals and different settings. I just play, I don't bother to think about "Oh this pedal feels a lil rougher". It just doesn't really matter.

Your not helping. Your basically saying I shouldn't feel a difference between a PDP 402 and a DW 9002.

no hes saying that you should be able to play the smae things on all kinds of pedals. like the way you can play the same rudiments at the same speeds on all snares. hes saying its in the feet not the pedal. I think lang made a good point of this at his clinic.

^Exactly


You should never need a particular model pedal to help you play better.

Most of the reason for buying high end pedals is reliability. All that crap about bearings, smoothness, adjustablity.. that's the minor issues releated to purchase. Most companies however realize, and market towards the "medium and lower" drummers who are unaware or have not realized, or simply have not progressed in their drumming maturity to understand that the equipment really doesn't matter that much.

[QUOTE]You should never need a particular model pedal to help you play better.[/QUOTE]

I know! Omfg.

My pedal is not restricting me from playing to my ability, I just want one that is more comfortable!

[QUOTE=Josiah]^Exactly


You should never need a particular model pedal to help you play better.

Most of the reason for buying high end pedals is reliability. All that crap about bearings, smoothness, adjustablity.. that's the minor issues releated to purchase. Most companies however realize, and market towards the "medium and lower" drummers who are unaware or have not realized, or simply have not progressed in their drumming maturity to understand that the equipment really doesn't matter that much.[/QUOTE]
I know what you're saying, but I can definitely say that I play much better on my Tama IC then say: a tapa HP10, or a low line pearl or yamaha pedal. Maybe just my technique isn't good enough yet, but thats what I've found.

Hello Mason,

Thanks for choosing Tama!! Without actually seeing/evaluating your pedal, it is hard to say if the problem warrants replacement or repair. What we recommend is calling our customer service dept. to receive a Return Authorization Number in order to send your pedal back to our facilites. Here, we can repair or replace any defective parts under warranty (as long as your pedal is still under the 1-year factory warranty period).
You can reach our customer service department @ 1-800-669-4226 and choose option #3 for sales and service. NOTE: Do not send anything back to Tama without a Return Authorization Number.

Thanks
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NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have been summoned by the demons.

i hope they speak english.

i can play better on a pacific piece o crap double pedal than on my iron cobras. i can play cleaner and a lot more precisly.

why doesnt everyone just stop arguing over something pointless.....i say go for the sonor....if it feels more comfy, then get it, its all personal pref

[QUOTE=British Boy]
My pedal is not restricting me from playing to my ability, I just want one that is more comfortable![/QUOTE]


Well then nobody here can help you with that. That's a personal choice that changes with everybody. You'll just have to try out different pedals and choose the one you find most comfertable.


Personally, "comfort" is one of the few words I would associate with a kick pedal myself..



Poppin hahaha... HAHAHAHA Welcome to Tama Customer Service. Or lack there of.

[QUOTE=poppinfresh]i can play better on a pacific piece o crap double pedal than on my iron cobras. i can play cleaner and a lot more precisly.[/QUOTE]

So your contradicting yourself eh?

am i? oh maybe.

[QUOTE=Josiah]Well then nobody here can help you with that. That's a personal choice that changes with everybody. You'll just have to try out different pedals and choose the one you find most comfertable.


Personally, "comfort" is one of the few words I would associate with a kick pedal myself..



Poppin hahaha... HAHAHAHA Welcome to Tama Customer Service. Or lack there of.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.. you might as well get a new pedal instead of dealing with Tama...I've heard stories.

[QUOTE=TTTSNB]Yeah.. you might as well get a new pedal instead of dealing with Tama...I've heard stories.[/QUOTE]

Yea, there are many horror stories associated with the "Tama's"... LOL

what the hell i told them were the ****ing probelm was. I went to there catalog and gave them THE EXACT number and even described what a load of bull****. Man i can't wait to amke the call, i should record it and see what happens.

hah yeah, you should, then put it on here

Oh I can tell you what will happen.


Nothing.



Yup, I think I got it. I should start a pyschic network.