[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17235082]Yeah dude, you must be joking.

One mic + entire drum kit = big no no and horrible results. Have you ever tried it? You need a minimum of three mics to get a decent sound. And even then it's better to close mic every drum.[/QUOTE]

well considering it's gattsu it's probably not gonna be the primest **** ever released

And yeah I have tried it in fact my room's pretty small too didn't work too bad at all really. Not the sexiest production ever but better than most black metal and a lot of old hardcore cds i've heard

:lol:

look at you! you're on the internet!

remember the first time you rode a bike and ate ****? yeah that was the first vocal recording ive ever done. and pretty much ate ****. im not going to give up just cause my first attempt at layering vocals sucked. i bit off more then i could chew, so im only going to record one layer.

and in other news, **** you gus.

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17235088]wow, now im short 200 buck, have half the instrumentation, recorded on a vocal mic, on a piece of **** 200 dollar set.




you'll like my next much better. cocksucker[/QUOTE]

not really the best way to win any fans, bro =/

also maybe we were a little too "mean" about it. but your songs really are terrible. I've released bad material, too. I'm speaking from the experience of my own mistakes. It's part of growing as you practice your recording ability, and putting stuff out there to be torn to shreds is part of that.

However, one thing you can do differently to assist in this process is to stop thinking so highly of your material. It's one thing to be proud of it, it's another thing to call someone a cocksucker over it. You look like an immature idiot.

If somebody critiques your mix, listen to them. If they say it crudely, ala "you sound like a retard" listen to them. You do music for other people too, not just yourself. Giving up this "ILL DEFEND MY PRIDE TO THE END" bs is the first step to becoming skilled enough to engineer your material to be transparent of the terrible mixing errors you made on your last tracks.

js.

Yeah but if you're not going for lo-fi recordings such as those genres, it's pretty much like trying to fight a bear. While you get kudos for balls, you're gonna get ripped to pieces.

edit: to Jcs

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17235088]wow, now im short 200 buck, have half the instrumentation, recorded on a vocal mic, on a piece of **** 200 dollar set.




you'll like my next much better. cocksucker[/QUOTE]

btw, a KSM27 isn't a vocal mic. Its designed for anything, it has no specification.

I'm of the opinion that there is good and bad lo-fi, and 99% of it is very, very bad.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235098]not really the best way to win any fans, bro =/

also maybe we were a little too "mean" about it. but your songs really are terrible. I've released bad material, too. I'm speaking from the experience of my own mistakes. It's part of growing as you practice your recording ability, and putting stuff out there to be torn to shreds is part of that.

However, one thing you can do differently to assist in this process is to stop thinking so highly of your material. It's one thing to be proud of it, it's another thing to call someone a cocksucker over it. You look like an immature idiot.

If somebody critiques your mix, listen to them. If they say it crudely, ala "you sound like a retard" listen to them. You do music for other people too, not just yourself. Giving up this "ILL DEFEND MY PRIDE TO THE END" bs is the first step to becoming skilled enough to engineer your material to be transparent of the terrible mixing errors you made on your last tracks.

js.[/QUOTE]

i dont disagree that they sucked, thats why i took them down so quickly. I really dont think highly of my music, i dont know where some of you got the impression....maybe i talked **** sometime ago and forgot...im actually extremely insecure about my music and play it for almost no one. The material that i was working with is frankly beyond my skills to create the way i hear it in my head, which is why it turned out so bad.

the song im workin on in the comp is done in my original rap style with no growling or layering. i feel like that was a way to change my voice cause im no too keen on my raw voice anyways over a mic. i think i sound fine when i talk but through a mic it sounds....different. it's a step up from before, idk how good it is....my gf and friends like when i freestyle...but they're my gf and friends so.... enough talk about it though.


lol 666 post

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235098]not really the best way to win any fans, bro =/

also maybe we were a little too "mean" about it. but your songs really are terrible. I've released bad material, too. I'm speaking from the experience of my own mistakes. It's part of growing as you practice your recording ability, and putting stuff out there to be torn to shreds is part of that.

However, one thing you can do differently to assist in this process is to stop thinking so highly of your material. It's one thing to be proud of it, it's another thing to call someone a cocksucker over it. You look like an immature idiot.

If somebody critiques your mix, listen to them. If they say it crudely, ala "you sound like a retard" listen to them. You do music for other people too, not just yourself. Giving up this "ILL DEFEND MY PRIDE TO THE END" bs is the first step to becoming skilled enough to engineer your material to be transparent of the terrible mixing errors you made on your last tracks.

js.[/QUOTE]
This, basically.

Raayl did this basically the same thing he's doing to you to me like a year ago. And at the time, while not as obnoxious, I had the same response as you.

Then six months later you realize how poopty your tracks are.

And even now, you can't really think every track you do is gonna ****ing rock. But you can do your best to improve on the last.

Looking back, if I didn't get flamed to hell, I probably wouldn't have strived to make better recordings.

/rant off.

Edit: danny has 666 posts.

I agree.

And too often I see bands try to justify poor recordings by just "saying" they're part of that same underground movement towards lo-fi focused production techniques. Ala capital H.

There is a BIG difference between just being bad at recording and specifically going for a certain sound, and casually tossing yourself in with the best 1% to rationalize how bad you are is no good at all now is it

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17235116]This, basically.

Raayl did this basically the same thing he's doing to you to me like a year ago. And at the time, while not as obnoxious, I had the same response as you.

Then six months later you realize how poopty your tracks are.

And even now, you can't really think every track you do is gonna ****ing rock. But you can do your best to improve on the last.

Looking back, if I didn't get flamed to hell, I probably wouldn't have strived to make better recordings.

/rant off.[/QUOTE]

If you read discussions we've been having here lately you'll read how quickly I am to tear up my own old recordings. Just ask Dave and Jory, (dave=phalanx here) how I talk about our recordings we just did a few months ago. They were bad. Now that I know what I know now, it embarrasses me that I ever thought them to be quality enough to share. Bad on my part, mostly - thats what I focus on anyway.

Oh well, no use crying about it. Releasing good material today is the best way to curb bad material you released yesterday.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235117]I agree.

[B]And too often I see bands try to justify poor recordings by just "saying" they're part of that same underground movement towards lo-fi focused production techniques[/B]. Ala capital H.

There is a BIG difference between just being bad at recording and specifically going for a certain sound, and casually tossing yourself in with the best 1% to rationalize how bad you are is no good at all now is it[/QUOTE]
Lol we've all done it some time in our lives.:smash:

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235121]If you read discussions we've been having here lately you'll read how quickly I am to tear up my own old recordings. Just ask Dave and Jory, (dave=phalanx here) how I talk about our recordings we just did a few months ago. They were bad. Now that I know what I know now, it embarrasses me that I ever thought them to be quality enough to share. Bad on my part, mostly - thats what I focus on anyway.

Oh well, no use crying about it. Releasing good material today is the best way to curb bad material you released yesterday.[/QUOTE]
Haha yeah I've noticed. We're all always pushing for a better sound/tone/song. Why do you think artists release albums and then tour with predominantly those songs...They get bored of the older ones!

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17235113]i dont disagree that they sucked, thats why i took them down so quickly. I really dont think highly of my music, i dont know where some of you got the impression....maybe i talked **** sometime ago and forgot...im actually extremely insecure about my music and play it for almost no one. The material that i was working with is frankly beyond my skills to create the way i hear it in my head, which is why it turned out so bad.

the song im workin on in the comp is done in my original rap style with no growling or layering. i feel like that was a way to change my voice cause im no too keen on my raw voice anyways over a mic. i think i sound fine when i talk but through a mic it sounds....different. it's a step up from before, idk how good it is....my gf and friends like when i freestyle...but they're my gf and friends so.... enough talk about it though.


lol 666 post[/QUOTE]I don't know, if you like to rap then that's fine i guess, but I hate rap.

You need to practice your delivery above all else. You also need to familiarize yourself with compression. Learn what it is, how it works. Then learn how to EQ. Learn what EQ is, how it works. Learn the frequency spectrum. After that, learn mic technique. Learn how to set your mic up, learn how to sing into it to produce what you want. Then learn how to pan tracks to layer. All of this takes making many many different songs over the course of years to perform well. because its not a skill you're learning its a "taste"

it's the "art" of training your ear to mix well

theres that saying, artist change but fans never do. Les claypool talks about how fans always want to hear some old *** obscure primus song and the band hasn't done anything since like....2003 or something

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17235123]Lol we've all done it some time in our lives.:smash:[/QUOTE]

yep and I am sooo guilty of that. hence my perspective now. what an idiot i was.

and probably still am, lol - i have no doubt in a year's time i'll hate this stuff now just like i do the old stuff. or maybe not, idk. i may be plateauing.

Lol I've always wondered if in like 6 months you'll throw away industrial music and do something completely different.

Wanna put a wager on it?

I would never "throw away" any genre of music. I like to do all kinds of things. I'd really like to do a contemporary acid jazz vocal or something like that. Been thinking about that for a while now.

But as far as industrial goes...really, its the music I've always wanted to make. Its the music I like, and have liked the most. Hard hitting, mechanical industrial metal. Rammstein, Zombie, Skinny Puppy, Manson, Static X, Deathstars, Wumpscut, etc these are all the bands I've always wanted to "be in" when I was younger. So now with starsmog i really feel at home.

But i like other genres too. Dark heavy music is just my vibe, and industrial just kinda happens and fits. I dont think its going anywhere.

Nah man, he's been industrial pretty hard over the years. It's his calling. Pretty tight.

I'm trying for the alternative rock/metal vocals, but that's me and my vocal production level sucks.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235131]I don't know, if you like to rap then that's fine i guess, but I hate rap.

You need to practice your delivery above all else. You also need to familiarize yourself with compression. Learn what it is, how it works. Then learn how to EQ. Learn what EQ is, how it works. Learn the frequency spectrum. After that, learn mic technique. Learn how to set your mic up, learn how to sing into it to produce what you want. Then learn how to pan tracks to layer. All of this takes making many many different songs over the course of years to perform well. because its not a skill you're learning its a "taste"

it's the "art" of training your ear to mix well[/QUOTE]

well its not radio rap, i hate mainstream "rap" it's a complete abomination to the art imo.

when people ask i say it's lyrical rap, which is redundant and stupid, but idk how else to describe. i cant write a rap about how good i am, i have and they suck balls, sounds like mainstream. most of my rap is about other people or simply story. The actual story for the songs i posted [i actually have 8 of them] is pretty amazing. i'll probably produce it later in life when i can do it effectivly, unlike this last attempt.


the lyrics are pretty brootal ****, if it was produced and mixed well, i bet you'd love it. i just dont know if I could ever do it, it's not really me...

but yeah i dont really know what compression is, and the extent of mixing i did was playing with the dB bar on audacity :lol:

I really consider this upcoming starsmog release (pending album art) is the first "real" album I've ever done. A handful of the songs I actually wrote, recorded and release over the past few years, but jordan and me re-did them to be pro-audio level. so...yeah. this album, for me, is years of work.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235155]I would never "throw away" any genre of music. I like to do all kinds of things. I'd really like to do a contemporary acid jazz vocal or something like that. Been thinking about that for a while now.

But as far as industrial goes...really, its the music I've always wanted to make. Its the music I like, and have liked the most. Hard hitting, mechanical industrial metal. Rammstein, Zombie, Skinny Puppy, Manson, Static X, Deathstars, Wumpscut, etc these are all the bands I've always wanted to "be in" when I was younger. So now with starsmog i really feel at home.

But i like other genres too. Dark heavy music is just my vibe, and industrial just kinda happens and fits. I dont think its going anywhere.[/QUOTE]
You know what I mean.:smash:

I think you should try your hand at acoustic, melodramatic popular song.

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17235123]Lol we've all done it some time in our lives.:smash:[/QUOTE]

Some of us more than others.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235117]I agree.

And too often I see bands try to justify poor recordings by just "saying" they're part of that same underground movement towards lo-fi focused production techniques. Ala capital H.

There is a BIG difference between just being bad at recording and specifically going for a certain sound, and casually tossing yourself in with the best 1% to rationalize how bad you are is no good at all now is it[/QUOTE]

Convenient standpoint, if anything.

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17235163]well its not radio rap, i hate mainstream "rap" it's a complete abomination to the art imo.

when people ask i say it's lyrical rap, which is redundant and stupid, but idk how else to describe. i cant write a rap about how good i am, i have and they suck balls, sounds like mainstream. most of my rap is about other people or simply story. The actual story for the songs i posted [i actually have 8 of them] its pretty amazing. i'll probably produce it later in life when i can do it effectivly, unlike this last attempt.

but yeah i dont really know what compression is, and the extent of mixing i did was playing with the dB bar on audacity :lol:[/QUOTE]

first thing you need to do is get rid of audacity. useless program.

graduate to something bigger. get sonar.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235164]I really consider this upcoming starsmog release (pending album art) is the first "real" album I've ever done.[/QUOTE]

Which you've said about every album you've ever done. :lol:

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17235165]You know what I mean.:smash:

I think you should try your hand at acoustic, melodramatic popular song.[/QUOTE]

Now that I've been singing a lot more I've become more familiar with my melodic voice and how it translates recorded. I have this sort of strange, distinct nasally tone. I dont think it'd translate well to acoustic. lol.

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17235163]well its not radio rap, i hate mainstream "rap" it's a complete abomination to the art imo.

when people ask i say it's lyrical rap, which is redundant and stupid, but idk how else to describe. i cant write a rap about how good i am, i have and they suck balls, sounds like mainstream. most of my rap is about other people or simply story. The actual story for the songs i posted [i actually have 8 of them] its pretty amazing. i'll probably produce it later in life when i can do it effectivly, unlike this last attempt.

but yeah i dont really know what compression is, and the extent of mixing i did was playing with the dB bar on audacity :lol:[/QUOTE]
At it's most basic definition it's the art of minimizing the dymamic range i.e. how quiet the sound is to how loud it is.

I never heard your vocal tracks, I think you took them down to soon. But I'm guessing it was all over the place amplitude wise. Compressing it sets it to a nice even volume the whole way through(unless ya know, you automate the compressor or some shiz).

[QUOTE=EADGCF;17235171]Which you've said about every album you've ever done. :lol:[/QUOTE]

lol, I know. I don't mean this artistically this time, I mean it in terms of the years of work and the production level. all of which is undeniably superior.

[QUOTE=EADGCF;17235168]Some of us more than others.
[/QUOTE]
Haha not trolling, but this wasn't directed at me was it?:confused:

basic explanation of compression:

the most important aspect is the "ratio." Most commonly compressors are defaulted to a ratio of 2:1. What this means is that for every two decibels of raw volume, the actual recorded wave's volume in the software is increased by one. Essentially, a ratio of 2:1 cuts the input volume in half. Not only does it cut the loud aspects out, though - but it also raises the volume of the quiet aspects. So the more radical the compression ratio, the more radical the increase/decrease of the different aspects.

For aggressive rap like you do, I recommend the following settings (which you can manipulate fully in sonar)

Ratio inf:1 with a hard knee, and depending on the raw wave, maybe a gain cut of -2 dB.

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17235176]At it's most basic definition it's the art of minimizing the dymamic range i.e. how quiet the sound is to how loud it is.

I never heard your vocal tracks, I think you took them down to soon. But I'm guessing it was all over the place amplitude wise. Compressing it sets it to a nice even volume the whole way through(unless ya know, you automate the compressor or some shiz).[/QUOTE]

yeah, it was me, with a mic set up infront of my laptop, holding a clothes hanger/pantyhoe pop filter infront of my face, not knowing anythign i was doing and whether it sounded good or not...

i can freestyle pretty good on a good day, there are days when i dont want to say anything about anything and everything that comes out is crap, so i try to stay quiet. But there are a lot of self proclaimed "rappers" at my school who i've embarassed publicly in "battles". which usually just includes them calling me white, and me proceeding to completely **** them. There are a couple of dudes who are real cool though and we meet on wednesdays after my poetry class and flow proper.

you wouldn't know it from my persona on the internet, but im actually a rediculously nice person until you give me a good reason to not be. i tend to be an spatula to people whos faces i cant see i guess. ohh the internet.