[QUOTE=Cocaine;16419416]The Bronx are amazing live. Kinda iffy on record. I saw them a few years back in this dingy dive bar with Dillinger Escape Plan and it was elite.[/QUOTE]

I think their records are pretty solid. At least regarding the energy on their first album. But yeah, I've wanted to see them for a while now.

protest the hero - limb from limb
 

I've never been able to get my head around 1:45-2:04 from Limb from Limb. Can anybody count out the rhythm in the guitars? I think its some weird combination of triplets and eighth notes, but I just cant figure out what it is exactly.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;16419416]The Bronx are amazing live. Kinda iffy on record. I saw them a few years back in this dingy dive bar with Dillinger Escape Plan and it was elite.[/QUOTE]

The rockit, right? I was there! it was crazy..

I saw them with Mastodon and Converge a couple of years ago too. Really, really good show. I'm still not going to ****ing Warped, though.

Ha, yeah it was the Rockit. The first of two back-to-back shows. I miss that place. I mean, it was a shithole, but so many memories.

[QUOTE=GooseFilms.net;16422283]I've never been able to get my head around 1:45-2:04 from Limb from Limb. Can anybody count out the rhythm in the guitars? I think its some weird combination of triplets and eighth notes, but I just cant figure out what it is exactly.[/QUOTE]

watch the videos of chin on youtube

[url]http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=sDSLjgDWw6U[/url]

that kid is so good i hate him

i figured it out, if anybodys wondering. the first part is as follows:

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4/4........3/4.........7/8...........5/4................7/8............4/4
|o-o-tttttt|o-o-o-o-ttt|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|tttttto-o-o-o-ttt|o-o-o-o-o-o-o-|tttttto-------|

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itd make so much more sense in standard notation, but oh well. like i figured, the entrance of triplets on upbeats was throwing me off.

[QUOTE=bunit9488;16423704]that kid is so good i hate him[/QUOTE]

Good enough to play someone else's music makes him not so good.

Has he ever written anything worth noting?

learning, transcribing, and playing music written by someone else is not easy at all... especially intricate parts like that.

I agree, that's why I don't do that. lol

[QUOTE=GooseFilms.net;16424480]learning, transcribing, and playing music written by someone else is not easy at all... especially intricate parts like that.[/QUOTE]

It's not easy, I know. But if you keep at it for long enough, you'll get it.

I was making a point that playing hard intricate guitar parts < writing a good song. I've seen so many shredders it makes me sick.

True dat, not a lot of good songwriters out there these days.

[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;16424582]True dat, not a lot of good songwriters out there these days.[/QUOTE]

No, and there have never been, honestly.

When I started listening to metal, I'd hear Dimebag or Kirk play a fast solo, and I thought that they were two of the only people in the world that could play that fast. When I started playing guitar again at 14 and started playing shows, every lead guitar player was skillwise just as good if not better than Dimebag, Kirk, or a lot of professional guitarists. The only problem was, these guys were either in cover bands, or were in terribly mediocre bands that were never going anywhere because nobody in the band could write a song to save their life.

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16424577]It's not easy, I know. But if you keep at it for long enough, you'll get it.

I was making a point that playing hard intricate guitar parts < writing a good song. I've seen so many shredders it makes me sick.[/QUOTE]

wait but dont you enjoy listening to dream theater

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16424627]No, and there have never been, honestly.

When I started listening to metal, I'd hear Dimebag or Kirk play a fast solo, and I thought that they were two of the only people in the world that could play that fast. When I started playing guitar again at 14 and started playing shows, every lead guitar player was skillwise just as good if not better than Dimebag, Kirk, or a lot of professional guitarists. The only problem was, these guys were either in cover bands, or were in terribly mediocre bands that were never going anywhere because nobody in the band could write a song to save their life.[/QUOTE]

That says it right there. Of course a lot of successful mainstream artists are the opposite, they can write a song that retards will like but they suck at their instruments. Meaning Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin etc.

[quote]When I started playing guitar again at 14[/quote] i agree

[quote=interviewer02;16424325]Good enough to play someone else's music makes him not so good.

Has he ever written anything worth noting?[/quote]

so just cause he plays someone elses' **** that is extremely hard he is automatically not a good guitar player.
you're right dude im sure he cant write anything himself, just look at the way he plays

a lot of people fail to realize that composition is a talent totally seperate from performance. those who can do both can be quite amazing, but they do not make amazing performers less talented simply because such performers cannot compose.

well said

[QUOTE=bunit9488;16424971]so just cause he plays someone elses' **** that is extremely[/QUOTE]

auto fail. Nothing PTH has ever written is extremely hard to play. Thats not a knock to the band though, they're great.

[QUOTE=GooseFilms.net;16425337]a lot of people fail to realize that composition is a talent totally seperate from performance. those who can do both can be quite amazing, but they do not make amazing performers less talented simply because such performers cannot compose.[/QUOTE]

separate but more important in my eyes. Its more important to write the song than to perform it well.

Yeah, but well said my friend, and you are right. I personally though weigh composition over performance, and that is why this kid didn't really impress me on the first listen.

[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;16424734]That says it right there. Of course a lot of successful mainstream artists are the opposite, they can write a song that retards will like but they suck at their instruments. Meaning Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin etc.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Actually, we don't know if they're good or not, they never really showcase what they can do, but I get what you're saying.

I actually like a few Breaking Benjamin songs TBH. I have more than a few guilty pleasures as far as mainstream music goes, don't even get me started.

The fact of the matter is that it seems like you can have one of two talents:

1. Talent for playing your instrument
2. Talent for writing songs people will like

Obviously there are some bands that have both but we're talking generally, right? The bands that can do both are the .5 and .1% of the standard deviation curve.

In other news: Rody has Vitiligo. My question is how can he get any whiter than he is now.

[QUOTE=Benzilla;16428053]The fact of the matter is that it seems like you can have one of two talents:

1. Talent for playing your instrument
2. Talent for writing songs people will like

Obviously there are some bands that have both but we're talking generally, right? The bands that can do both are the .5 and .1% of the standard deviation curve.
.[/QUOTE]
yeah, pretty much, but its all based on personal taste. Some people will say Nickelback is both talented songwriters and great at their instruments, and you can't factually tell them they are wrong.

Composing is an innate talent. Mastering an instrument is the result of practice. Why do you think there are so many fast asian guitar players on youtube? (they practice so damn much)

I mean sure some people will be more adept at picking it up faster, but with enough time anyone with a sense of rhythm can play guitar. Not everyone has the ability to compose. I have a deeper respect for composers then performers.

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16424325]Good enough to play someone else's music makes him not so good.

Has he ever written anything worth noting?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.myspace.com/closedfortonight[/url]

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16428498]yeah, pretty much, but its all based on personal taste. Some people will say Nickelback is both talented songwriters and great at their instruments, and you can't factually tell them they are wrong.[/QUOTE]

They are wrong. It's fact.

[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;16432350]They are wrong. It's fact.[/QUOTE]

quote for truth

[QUOTE=natey5280;16430252]Composing is an innate talent. Mastering an instrument is the result of practice. Why do you think there are so many fast asian guitar players on youtube? (they practice so damn much)

I mean sure some people will be more adept at picking it up faster, but with enough time anyone with a sense of rhythm can play guitar. Not everyone has the ability to compose. I have a deeper respect for composers then performers.[/QUOTE]Composing is an innate talent that can be fine tuned and focused through practice and shaping of ones style.

I too have more respect for composers.

Anyways, I think I'm going to put my sister in a sleeper hold, she convinced me to borrow her Fortress when she lives over an hour away and I just bought the cd about a week before.

[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;16432350]They are wrong. It's fact.[/QUOTE]

quote for......non-truth?

nickelback have some catchy tunes out their. specifically "animal", and "all the wrong reasons" and..........

they sell a lot of records so they must be writing catchy songs.

and PTH's "Kezia" in 05 (i think 05) was a phenomenal record.

i have not heard the new one yet, just the single, and im not too impressed.