Hmm... I'm off to check...

Edit: It is K custom Dark. Woops.

I meant just a K china, sorry thought they were called dark chinas as well as the K Customs. Never really liked the K Custom chinas, the K's on the other hand, I'd love a 17", great for a dark accent.

I can't find the right china! It's so frustrating. I want one for a new sound in my set-up. but I just can't find one I like. The best one I've heard was a 18" Sabian Pro Chinese (I only heard it live). I don't really want a traditional china sound, just a trashy crash. I'm thinking about getting a Crash of Doom instead of a china.

What do Paiste Sig chinas sound like?

paiste.com has sound clips that are pretty accurate, you should be able to find oen for the sig. thin and heavy chinas on there.

The Pro Chinese actualy sounds pretty good for the price, dont mind it at all.

[QUOTE=mprules]z custom jazz rides, really good ^_^[/QUOTE]
What.
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Are you.
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About.

[QUOTE=The Dropper]What.
The.
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Are you.
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Surely you've been alive long enough to recognise sarcasm when you see it?

Sarcasm... of course.

[QUOTE=playwithfire]Sarcasm... of course.[/QUOTE]

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Ah, you beat me buy a minute :lol:.

[QUOTE=spirit]Surely you've been alive long enough to recognise sarcasm when you see it?[/QUOTE]
Was it sarcasm or stupidity? I couldn't tell, myself.

Almost nobody is that stupid ;).

[QUOTE=Seafroggys]If you like it, then get it. Sabian should be cheaper than ZIlj and Paiste anyways.

As for the ZIldjian equivelent, it would be a 20" A Medium Ride. The closest thing Paiste would have would probably be a 20" 2002 ride I'd think.[/QUOTE]

Zildjian's As sound like a XS20 no like a AA the AA have a different sound besides they have a higher pitch

[QUOTE]Almost nobody is that stupid[/QUOTE]I am

[QUOTE=chewaz]Zildjian's As sound like a XS20 no like a AA the AA have a different sound besides they have a higher pitch[/QUOTE]As and AAs are basically identical. You must have played a crappy A and an amazing XS20... Robert Zildjian left Zildjian, founded Sabian and basically didn't change how As were made at all, just named them AAs.

my sabian 20" metal-x crash just cracked after only a month, i need a big crash cymbal or crash/ride (19"-20") that will take a beating and will Last. i play postly harcore,metal, rock. i dont want a very bright crash or a very low pitched one either. and also i need it to be somewhat versitile. also im willing to pay around $180-200

I was thinking about buying a Sabian Mike Portnoy 9" Max Splash cymal, and a Sabian 19" B8Pro 18" Heavy Crash. Has anyone ever heard these cymbals... or have them. I have been playing for about 3 years now, and still haven't bought anything else besides a double bass pedal for my drumset, so I don't want to get crappy cymbals. Will somebody help me out?

what do you guys reckon of the A Custom Medium crashes? i got myself a 16" and it sounds pretty sweet, should i get an 18" to go with it?
Would the 16" medium blend well with an 18" regular?
what are some other options?

An A Custom will blend well with another A Custom regardless of what specific model it is.

[QUOTE=Sinai Beach]my sabian 20" metal-x crash just cracked after only a month, i need a big crash cymbal or crash/ride (19"-20") that will take a beating and will Last. i play postly harcore,metal, rock. i dont want a very bright crash or a very low pitched one either. and also i need it to be somewhat versitile. also im willing to pay around $180-200[/QUOTE]

Ok well first off, if you've cracked a 20" Metal-x crash in under one month, thats a pretty big sign that you need to improve your technique, unless there was a defect with the crash, but the chance of that is pretty low. Invest in a teacher, learn some technique etc...

For now, live with the cracked crash, either cut it or drill it to slow down the crack and get as much time as you can out of it. If you still want to do the whole hardcore thing, then maybe look at an A Rock crash, great tone and is still a med-heavy cymbal, its an A so its not going to be an overly bright or dark cymbal.

But before you do anything seriously look at a teacher, the more I think about it the more I think its a defect, where is it cracked and has been taken anywhere, gigs etc?

[QUOTE=lamb_of_goddrummer]I was thinking about buying a Sabian Mike Portnoy 9" Max Splash cymal, and a Sabian 19" B8Pro 18" Heavy Crash. Has anyone ever heard these cymbals... or have them. I have been playing for about 3 years now, and still haven't bought anything else besides a double bass pedal for my drumset, so I don't want to get crappy cymbals. Will somebody help me out?[/QUOTE]
i've played the splash, it's okay. the others i wouldn't touch. welcome to mx, don't whore sabian ;)

[QUOTE=Sgt_Baker]what do you guys reckon of the A Custom Medium crashes? i got myself a 16" and it sounds pretty sweet, should i get an 18" to go with it?
Would the 16" medium blend well with an 18" regular?
what are some other options?[/QUOTE]

Have a look at the reg. A Custom in 18", I have one and its a beautiful cymbal, shimmering, bright and full bodied. You could look at the Projectiona s well, it gets a lot of bad reviews arounf here lately but personally I think its a great cymbal for any kind of music that demands a bright piercing cymbal. Its higher pitched than the normal crash and has slightly more sustain.

Best to chekc each cymbal out for yourself and see what you think, I have both the A Custom crash and Projection crash in 18" and think they are awesome.

[QUOTE=Sinai Beach]my sabian 20" metal-x crash just cracked after only a month, i need a big crash cymbal or crash/ride (19"-20") that will take a beating and will Last. i play postly harcore,metal, rock. i dont want a very bright crash or a very low pitched one either. and also i need it to be somewhat versitile. also im willing to pay around $180-200[/QUOTE]

It is either a factory fault or bad technique. How long do you play each day? Where is the crack?

[QUOTE=DruMMeR_BoY14]Ok well first off, if you've cracked a 20" Metal-x crash in under one month, thats a pretty big sign that you need to improve your technique, unless there was a defect with the crash, but the chance of that is pretty low. Invest in a teacher, learn some technique etc...

For now, live with the cracked crash, either cut it or drill it to slow down the crack and get as much time as you can out of it. If you still want to do the whole hardcore thing, then maybe look at an A Rock crash, great tone and is still a med-heavy cymbal, its an A so its not going to be an overly bright or dark cymbal.

But before you do anything seriously look at a teacher, the more I think about it the more I think its a defect, where is it cracked and has been taken anywhere, gigs etc?[/QUOTE]


i practice about 3-4 hours a week and i have shows about once or twice a week. my lead singer dropped the cymbal once, but i checked for cracks and it didnt have one yet. i dont know if i have bad technique, i probably do. but i usually dont crack cymbals in a month. usualy i crack them in about 2 years. also i have a warranty from musicians friend on the cymbal so its gonna be free. i can choose any crash. also im looking into a sabian aaxplosion crashes, anyone know if theyre any good. and how can i improve my technique, i dont have alotof money and a drum teacher is probably out of the question, any good sites that teach you good technique?

[QUOTE=DruMMeR_BoY14]For now, live with the cracked crash, either cut it or drill it to slow down the crack and get as much time as you can out of it. If you still want to do the whole hardcore thing, then maybe look at an A Rock crash, great tone and is still a med-heavy cymbal, its an A so its not going to be an overly bright or dark cymbal.[/QUOTE]Do you know what you're talking about? It's an A, so it's going to *very* bright... not to mention it's relatively heavy. As are the brightest series as a whole that Zildjian has...

have any of you heard of meinl's older cymbals called profiles aka double dragon these things sound like the were cast straight out of hell there SOOOO TRASHY sik cymbals i wish i could find them but i cant

AAXplosion all i can say is the best bang for your buck

[QUOTE=Sinai Beach]i practice about 3-4 hours a week and i have shows about once or twice a week. my lead singer dropped the cymbal once, but i checked for cracks and it didnt have one yet. i dont know if i have bad technique, i probably do. but i usually dont crack cymbals in a month. [b]usualy i crack them in about 2 years.[/b] also i have a warranty from musicians friend on the cymbal so its gonna be free. i can choose any crash. also im looking into a sabian aaxplosion crashes, anyone know if theyre any good. and how can i improve my technique, i dont have alotof money and a drum teacher is probably out of the question, any good sites that teach you good technique?[/QUOTE]

I've bolded the bit that concerns me. You crack cymbals regularly? I've only cracked one, and that's because I was hitting it very hard in the completely wrong way. If you're cracking them more than once, then that's either some really bad luck of you need to improve your technique.

Look at the first two points on this FAQ:
[url]http://www.paiste.com/faqs/[/url]

[QUOTE=spirit]I've bolded the bit that concerns me. You crack cymbals regularly? I've only cracked one, and that's because I was hitting it very hard in the completely wrong way. If you're cracking them more than once, then that's either some really bad luck of you need to improve your technique.

Look at the first two points on this FAQ:
[url]http://www.paiste.com/faqs/[/url][/QUOTE]

alright i found out what i do wrong, my cymbals are flat so when i hit them it hits the edge like in figure 3. i do use the pullback stroke technique, so i will start tilting my cymbals from now on :)

[QUOTE=Sinai Beach]alright i found out what i do wrong, my cymbals are flat so when i hit them it hits the edge like in figure 3. i do use the pullback stroke technique, so i will start tilting my cymbals from now on :)[/QUOTE]

That's great! Wow, I helped someone. Good stuff.

[QUOTE=playwithfire]It doesn't have that quick of a decay. If you want a quick decay you'll want a lighter weight ride usually. Earth rides are extra heavy. Personally I'm not a fan of Earth rides at all.[/QUOTE]

How about an AA 21" Rock Ride ?? Will this compliment my AAXplosion crashes ( 16" / 18" ) ?? Thanks for your help on this