[QUOTE=Cain]Opeth are one of the few bands that have truly earned a 1,000,000+ fanbase. I'm confident they will not sell out.

Det Nosnip, on a related issue, have you seen either of the posts I've made in response to your posts about Nightwish's use of orchestra in "Once" as argument against them selling out?[/QUOTE]

Speaking of bands that won't sell out? ;)

Yes, I responded to your post in the After Forever thread. It's long since gone down the tubes, though....ah..

They did hire someone to arrange+conduct the symphonic sections, but I'm pretty sure that that was under the direction of the band (IE, Tuomas), and Tuomas wrote all of the music. He probably had most of the melodies and harmonies written out, and then collaborated with the arranger in order to make it work.

Either way, in terms of song structure, the songs on Century Child and Once are much more advanced. From a rhythmic standpoint, "Bless the Child" is probably the most complex song the band has ever done, featuring odd time signatures and hemiolas. The introduction to "Feel For You" features a rather proggish 9/4 time signature, and on both albums the band has experimented much more with different vocal styles, both with the introduction of Marco Hietala and with different approaches from Tarja.

The operatic power voice that she used alot on the earlier albums is great, and she'll always continue to use it during live performances because it projects better (Nemo sounds quite a bit different live than on the album), but at the same time I like that they're trying something different.

Speaking of "trying something different," there are a few tracks on "Once" that really stick out in that regard. "Ghost Love Score" is incredible, but there are others too - "The Siren," for example. I like bands that branch out and try different things, and if the group had continued to reproduce "Wishmaster" and "Oceanborn" for 10 years I think I would've given up on them a long time ago.

As for musicianship - Jukka's parts are actually quite a bit more involved and unique on the last two records than before, I'm not sure where you got that from. I really like the tones that he got on Wishmaster, and his playing has always been ridiculously clean and solid, but as far as impressive drumming goes, his best work has by far been on the last two records.

Emppu...I'd like to hear a few more guitar solos. His solos are a bit less technical, but they're also very melodic.

Marco's a much more impressive bass player than Sami, IMO, and his stage presence is fantastic.

Err...I think I had something in there about "Composition orientated music vs Performance orientated," and how Once is the former whereas traditional power metal is the latter.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Really, now...I think that people are overreacting about the Roadrunner thing. Sure, they have some pretty dumb bands on their label, but they also are very good at [b]getting the **** albums into American stores. [/b] Opeth is not the kind of band to bow before mass appeal; they've been around for a really long time, and have a devoted fanbase. [U][I][B]They have no reason to sell out[/B], [/U] [/I] nor are they the type of musicians who would. All that this means is that us Americans will have a better time getting ahold of Opeth merchandise, and we may even see the band touring around the US more often.[/QUOTE]




I used to say that about Metallica when I was young.

Look at recent events. :upset:

History repeats itself.

But Opeth will not explode like Metallica did, under any circumstance.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I used to say that about Metallica when I was young.

Look at recent events. :upset:[/QUOTE]

I think that the shock of Metallica's selling out comes more from naivete about the group during the 80's than any real change in ideology during the 90's. James Hetfield, from the beginning, said that all he really wanted was to be a rock star and to make alot of money being famous. Metallica began in the bay area, playing a sound that wasn't really all that different from what else was going on in the area. If anything, Metallica was the [i]most[/i] commercial of all the bay area thrashers. Of course, none of us knew this at the time, and this is all retrospective, but as far as I can tell, there isn't too much of a progressive death movement centered around Opeth, and they're certainly not the most commercially orientated of bands. You simply don't become a pop sensation making 12 minute death metal songs with acoustic sections. :lol:

Some could say that ****ation was an attempt at securing a wider, more popular audience, but the record only really had success among the following of [i]musicians[/i], which is something that Metallica could never claim. Also, Opeth has been clear that the album was a 1-time thing; it was just an experiment, not a permanent change in the band's direction. Deliverance was released AFTER ****ation, and if anything, it's the band's least commercial release to date - too much even for many of the group's fans.

Everyone thinks that just because metallica sold out that every other band is now, and there only saying that because metallica WAS popular... so now all of a sudden every popular band is selling out...i used to like metallica (a very long time ago)....but now i hate them, and i dont think opeth will sell out

Det...you also have to point out that the style of ****ation is Mike's favorite genre. He loves that soft prog stuff, why do you think he loves PT so much and got SW to do BWP? (I'm acronym man, btw)

I think ****ation was more a homage to Mikes favorite genre. Also, again, with a lot of bands, its hard to define what "selling out" is. I mean, I don't think anyone of us wouldn't turn down the chance to make music for a living and be wealthy off of it. I think Opeth went down that road, I couldn't condemn them, it would be sad, but understandable. I think they are at the point when they dont need to, they are one of the most popular metal bands out right now and their albums are selling fairly well.

Opeth will go where Mike will take them and if he saw fit to make another ****ation album to be more popular, who are we to judge? I am not worried and I dont think anyone else should be. The guys in Opeth aren't concerned about money, they just wanna make music, just like the rest of us. There is a natural maturation with people, you really can't sing and write about the stuff that you used to do in your 20's, in your 30's, ya know?

I hope they don't over do the keyboards... if so, I think it would sound pretty stupid.


Not really a keyboard fan, but I don't mind some of it I guess.

Ah...I'm a big keyboard fan, myself. It'll probably be the next instrument I pick up, as they're great for composition being that you can do just about anything on a good synthesizer.

Ivor: I don't know if it's necessarily Mike's "favorite" genre, but he's definetly a big fan for sure. With musicians, it's kinda hard to figure out what one's "favorite" genre is; I tend to go back and forth between metal and jazz, myself. As far as drumming goes, Lopez really shined on ****ation, and it was by far his best work (contrary to popular myth, really fast double bass is *not* what makes a good drummer ;) ). I'd really like to see more of that mixed in with the rest of their music.

Find the word that doesn't belong.



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[QUOTE=Flynn]Find the word that doesn't belong.



Opeth
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:lol:

I <3 Opeth. :thumb:
Can't we all just get along?

That's funny, you are a funny guy.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Ah...I'm a big keyboard fan, myself. It'll probably be the next instrument I pick up, as they're great for composition being that you can do just about anything on a good synthesizer.

Ivor: I don't know if it's necessarily Mike's "favorite" genre, but he's definetly a big fan for sure. With musicians, it's kinda hard to figure out what one's "favorite" genre is; I tend to go back and forth between metal and jazz, myself. As far as drumming goes, Lopez really shined on ****ation, and it was by far his best work (contrary to popular myth, really fast double bass is *not* what makes a good drummer ;) ). I'd really like to see more of that mixed in with the rest of their music.[/QUOTE]
Ahhh yes...the Latin percussion at the end of "Closure" is amazing. I think you are definately right about double bass (Haha, not a Portnoy fan, huh?) I think his fills on "In my time of Need" and "Ending Credits" are great

[QUOTE=relliK]I dont know.Black Rose Immortal takes alot out of me once Im through with it.But I still enjoy every minute of it.I dont really care how long they are, as long as they are done well.The Moor is 11 and a half minutes long, but to me it feels likes its only 5 minutes.It finishes, and Im like "F[COLOR=White]uck[/COLOR], I want more!!!"

10-13 minutes would be good.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I feel the way about most of their songs actually, lol, half of their songs like godhead's lament, the moor, apostle in triumph, master's apprentice, night and silent water, ect ect ect ectttt, all feel like 3 min songs.... I love them all...

I wish all of their songs were like that, but I do agree, if the songs on ****ation were like 13 mins long, they'd be boring as hell X_X

in response to flynn, seeing as how the quote apparently isn't working...

LOL, BRI is 220 on mine, the highest one is roughly 830something....





















[I]''Granted you, a hollow stare
Another soul within the divine herd...''[/I][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Which is why I'm glad that Godhead's Lament kicks in as it does. IMO there's not another song on the planet that could follow the Moor. :thumb: I actually like Godhead's a little better than the Moor.....the whole "Searching My Way to Perplexion" bit is amazing. The Moor probably has one of the top 5 greatest intros of all time, though.[/QUOTE]


Tru tru, but I swear man i thoroughly LOVE godhead's lament...
What would they care if I were to stay?
Noone should know. oooohhhh
that's my fav part for sure

tehn again, When is also a good song when he's like ' When shall we speak instead of whisper.... When can I take you from this place? ' ect ect ect,
but yeah i love the metal stuff, that then breaks into beautiful riffs when Mikael's using his normal singning voice *drool*

[QUOTE=relliK]Still Life is just my favorite album in the whole wide world.I can listen to it over and over and never get sick of it.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I definatelly feel you on that, I listen to Still life the most for sure but hten again, I have all of their albums on one massive playlist, so i dont exactly listen to one album....I LOVE STILL LIFE!!!!!

[QUOTE=Cain]Yeah. If they're going in a black metal direction, the Mellotrons, etc. would be neccesary, yes? Doesn't black metal have symphonic elements and keyboards/synths? This could be a sign that this is indeed a direction they're pursuing.[/QUOTE]

hell yeah, Opeth... More Black Metal... Mikael's voice.... *drool* i am officially in love!! haha, i hope the next album si released soon.... I can't wait !!!! << needs opethhh *drool* so glad i'm seeing them in the sounds of hte underground tour :-D

[QUOTE=DesiOzymandias]
What would they care if I were to stay?
Noone should know. oooohhhh
that's my fav part for sure
[/QUOTE]

I saw some guys making fun of this part on the another board saying:

"what would they care if I were gay? Noone would know... hoooooommoooooo"

I admit, I laughed.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]You simply don't become a pop sensation making 12 minute death metal songs with acoustic sections. :lol:
[/QUOTE]

lmfao, aint that the truth, can you imagine the radio?? X_X

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]I saw some guys making fun of this part on the another board saying:

"what would they care if I were gay? Noone would know... hoooooommoooooo"

I admit, I laughed.[/QUOTE]


haha, yeah that is quite funny, but the funniest part is, that the guys that are saying it probably have no musical taste -_- :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: NEVER F*CKING MAKE FUN OF OPETH IF YOU WANT TO LIVE >_< :evil:

It was on an Opeth board, they were all hardcore Opeth fans.

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]That's funny, you are a funny guy.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I agree, Flynn. I love you, You're like running this threat *big hug*

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]It was on an Opeth board, they were all hardcore Opeth fans.[/QUOTE]
what what whaat!?!? X_X oro.... well, it's funny, but that's my fav part, so i can't laugh at it...

(just relaized i posted like 10 posts in a roww)

Yeah man... slooooooooooow down...

I like that part of the song to, but I still laughed.

[QUOTE=IvortheEngineDriver]Ahhh yes...the Latin percussion at the end of "Closure" is amazing. [/quote] Especially the extended version on Lamentations. :)
[quote]
I think you are definately right about double bass (Haha, not a Portnoy fan, huh?) I think his fills on "In my time of Need" and "Ending Credits" are great[/QUOTE]

Well, I'm definetely not opposed to double bass by any means at all, I'm a double kick player myself, it just too often becomes a focus of awe for people. fast, clean double bass work is impressive in its own way, but it's not the Alpha and the Omega. As for Portnoy...he's not a bad player, and he's had some pretty cool ideas....they were just all about 10 years ago. I kinda feel like he hasn't really done anything new since Scenes, aside from having an even more ridiculously large kit. :lol:

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Especially the extended version on Lamentations. :)


Well, I'm definetely not opposed to double bass by any means at all, I'm a double kick player myself, it just too often becomes a focus of awe for people. fast, clean double bass work is impressive in its own way, but it's not the Alpha and the Omega. As for Portnoy...he's not a bad player, and he's had some pretty cool ideas....they were just all about 10 years ago. I kinda feel like he hasn't really done anything new since Scenes, aside from having an even more ridiculously large kit. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Yeah man, the extended ending on Lamentations is so awesome, i need a mp3 of it.

I wish everyone would give the roadrunner thing a rest, in the end its what the band wants.

[QUOTE=DesiOzymandias]haha, yeah that is quite funny, but the funniest part is, that the guys that are saying it probably have no musical taste -_- :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: NEVER F*CKING MAKE FUN OF OPETH IF YOU WANT TO LIVE >_< :evil:[/QUOTE]

I post on those boards, Mikael himself even posts on those boards, not often, but he does. He has a sense of humour you know? I mean, he laughs at himself and the band etc. when he posts on the boards. an excerpt was something like......

"I thought it would have dawned on you by know that i am in fact christ reincarnate. My carpenting skills are very good too. I got tired of the single stringed instruments in jerusalem and when i was reborn in Stockholm Sweden, the whole death metal scene really took me. Also I like the very satanic lyrics, don't tell my father though, he might ground me."

Somehting like that, can't remember and can't be bothered to find the real thing.

But yes, it is a simple joke, another one is
"face of melinda neath moustache hair"

Take it as a joke and lighten up

I remember that son of god thing, where some person posted a thread that like compared Mikeal to Jesus. Was kinda funny...