[QUOTE=HighandDriving;16796628]Converge are great but they're no Botch and I don't understand why they get more cred here then Botch. Oh wait, I do.



They have one of the guitarist/vocalist from Facing New York join to replace that other guy.[/QUOTE]

Oh good! I prefer them with two vocalists.

[QUOTE=Dimmu Burger;16796665]Oh good! I prefer them with two vocalists.[/QUOTE]

He's dec too and imo much better then Fred, I didn't like Fred's voice one bit.

Yeah I didn't like Fred as much as John or Adam.

ok someone needs to seriously tell me why March by Knut is so good and yet the same ****ing chords over and over the entire song, which is 20 mins long basically

why

[QUOTE=bunit9488;16796615]see i like them
(which is more than i can say about them when i first joined)

[b]but they're not anything special, tbh[/b]
IMO of course, i know a lot of people have a big soft spot for them
and i love listening to them from time to time[/QUOTE]
heathen
[QUOTE=HighandDriving;16796628]Converge are great but they're no Botch and I don't understand why they get more cred here then Botch. Oh wait, I do.[/QUOTE]
Botch aren't nearly as good thats why

i like both Botch and Converge but Converge are my fav of the two by a large margin

i honestly like botch more than converge these days. botch is that ****ing intense.
[QUOTE=McP3000;16798312]ok someone needs to seriously tell me why March by Knut is so good and yet the same ****ing chords over and over the entire song, which is 20 mins long basically

why[/QUOTE]

because knut is jawesome

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iJE1muDyQM[/url]

i miss tj :(

[QUOTE=hismajestythepope;16798769]i honestly like botch more than converge these days. botch is that ****ing intense.


because knut is jawesome[/QUOTE]
i need to give We Are The Romans another chance

and knut are awesome

listen to fookin american nervoso, album is so different from most metalcore

anthology of dead ends or w/e is botch's best

no.

yes

naaahh

fine

that went no where

its pointless arguing with mappy, especially when its about metalcore.

I prefer Converge over Botch, but both are good.

I love both as well but Botch is hands down better then Converge.

Also Dave runs circles around Kurt.

Dave holds it down like no other sole metalcore guitarist, while Converge had a second guitarist up until after (maybe before) Jane Doe.

Converge are better (imo...)