Jason, from what he showed in Metallica, was the least talented of the three. However, his work in Flotsam and Jetsam (Metalshock, particularlly) is 30x better than what he was allowed to write in Metallica (Load/ReLoad were the only two albums he was allowed to really write anything iirc)

Rob is easily the best of the three. He can do it all...slap, pop, finger, hell, he even breaks out the pick once in awhile.

Unfortunately, Cliff's life was taken too early in his career to know what he could do other than what he had already done.

i like them both i think they both bring something good to the industry im glad that mustaine got kicked out of metallica because he started another good band. and kirk made a great addition to metallica. i do like kirk more, but mustaine is second on the list. but again thats just my opinion


edit: vashts80 i agree with u about rob but i think jason brought more then you think...at least live and on the dvds, solos and what not

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]i like them both i think they both bring something good to the industry im glad that mustaine got kicked out of metallica because he started another good band. and kirk made a great addition to metallica. i do like kirk more, but mustaine is second on the list. but again thats just my opinion


edit: vashts80 i agree with u about rob but i think jason brought more then you think...at least live and on the dvds, solos and what not[/QUOTE]
I'm glad Mustaine's not in Metallica anymore, I don't think Kirk is very good at all, I mean he's good for Metallica, but he's not as good as everyone says, at least I don't believe so.

Edit: I think Cliff was the best bassist bassist from Metallica, maybe he didn't have technicality over the other guys, but his style was better for Metallica, and he defintely knew how a bass should be worked.

so chu do u think original metallica was the best?


edit: do u like megadeath more than metallica?

Well, basically the thing is this. Somebody said this about 150 pages ago (rofl), but Jason was basically trying to uphold Cliff's legacy, not surpass it. He accomplished that. He upheld the legacy for the ~15 years he was in Metallica, and he did not surpass it. He headbanged like a mother[b]fuc[/b]ker and he sang like a mother[b]fu[/b]cker.

I think Metallica would've been better if Mustaine would've been like he is now and James would do what he's always done, rythym and singing. If Dave could be the lead guitar and the lead guitar only with maybe backup vocals, then I think Metallica would've been better. And think about it, they would have all of James stuff AND all of Dave's stuff.

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]so chu do u think original metallica was the best?


edit: do u like megadeath more than metallica?[/QUOTE]
I think original Metallica was/is the best band, ever.
I think Metallica, until 1986, were the best band, after that, meh, lost interest, and Megadeth released SFSGSW, which is their best release, in my opinion.

So, I like Megadeth [b]now[/b] more, but early Metallica ****s on everything.

Had Dave been in Metallica, there would be no Peace Sells or Rust in Peace. No Tornado of Souls, no Peace Sells, no In My Darkest Hour. Consequently, there may not have been Master of Puppets or And Justice For All or Battery.

These Mustaine conversations never end well, how about stopping it now?

[QUOTE=vashts80]Well, basically the thing is this. Somebody said this about 150 pages ago (rofl), but Jason was basically trying to uphold Cliff's legacy, not surpass it. He accomplished that. He upheld the legacy for the ~15 years he was in Metallica, and he did not surpass it. He headbanged like a mother[b]fuc[/b]ker and he sang like a mother[b]fu[/b]cker.[/QUOTE]


i agree with that but i never really heard cliff besides kill em all. so i liked jason better until he left the band. but i liked how cliff played low on his bass he had tons of skills but never really got to show it all...

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]i agree with that but i never really heard cliff besides kill em all. so i liked jason better until he left the band. but i liked how cliff played low on his bass he had tons of skills but never really got to show it all...[/QUOTE]
Cliff had wicked bass lines on RTL and MoP :D
For whom The Bell Tolls, Ride The Lightning, Creeping death, The Call of The Ktulu, The Thing That Should Not Be, Dispoable Heroes, Leper Messiah, Orion, Damage Inc.

i saw this kid today wearing an echobrain t-shirt.it disgusted me,i wanted to kill him

[QUOTE=willis2441]i saw this kid today wearing an echobrain t-shirt.it disgusted me,i wanted to kill him[/QUOTE]
Chill :D
Jason's in a better world now.

What's wrong with Echobrain? If I cried about it everytime I saw a band shirt that I simply just disliked, California would be under water already.

just out of curiosity does anyone know if a metallica album is coming out within the next two years?

Yea, I mean there are about 3.5 billion people wearing britney spears, backstreet boys, etc. tee shirts. That has to be worse than echobrain.

Within two years? Most likely. In fact, I'm almost positive.

[QUOTE=Chu]There's no contest between them, in my opinion.
Mustaine without a doubt.[/QUOTE]
kirk covered mustaines solos with ease

And Mustaine could do Hammett's solos with ease...

Edit: It's not about the technicality of the solo, in my opinion, I just think Mustaine writes better music. The few solos Hammett made that were any good were during Burton's time, which as I said, was when Metallica were good, after that, well, Hammett's solos were the first to go, then Lars' drumming, and then James' voice...

Also, bear in mind that this is completely my opinion, if you disagree, that's fine by me.

They are both incredible guitarists. Kirk fits what we know as Metallica and he seems to have a lot more chemistry. I can honestly say that I like everything on MOP > everything I like on KEA.

Now to Megadeth, I think they are better now, but I still like Metallica's music better.

Now for Kirk and Dave...

Speed- Dave > Kirk
Skill - Kirk > Dave
Soul - Kirk > Dave
Riff Writing - Dave > Kirk
Luckier, richer, and more famous - Kirk > Dave
My favorite - Kirk > Dave

that's all in my opinion

[QUOTE=gocaps99]Now for Kirk and Dave...

Speed- Dave > Kirk
Skill - Kirk > Dave
Soul - Kirk > Dave
Riff Writing - Dave > Kirk
Luckier, richer, and more famous - Kirk > Dave
My favorite - Kirk > Dave

that's all in my opinion[/QUOTE]
Never thought I'd agree with you!
But, I agree with you, to a point. was the Luckier, richer, and more famous needed though?
My personal favourite is Dave, I also think Dave has more soul then he is often given credit for. Whether he has more soul then Hammett, I'd probably say Hammett.

Edit: The few songs I like Kirk's solos (Fade To Black for example) I think Kirk has huge emotion in, I don't think Mustaine could ever have that much emotion in a solo, so I prefer Kirk in that sense, but unfortunately, Kirk didn't write enough good solos :(

Am I the only one that likes James' solos more than both dave's and kirk's? They're all great, but james just puts that jiffy jiff into it. lol

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]Am I the only one that likes James' solos more than both dave's and kirk's? They're all great, but james just puts that jiffy jiff into it. lol[/QUOTE]

Perhaps if he did more solos then we could have a good comparison between the 3, but until then I think you'll be the only one.

Ill just come in here by saying :
In New Zealand, we had this Top 1000 Rock songs of All Time on The Rock FM. And Enter Sandman won. The thing I hate more than the idea of a countdown of this magnitude on a mainstream radio channel, is casual Metallica fans, the people that think Enter Sandman is the greatest, heaviest song ever invented. For shame NZ for shame. :upset: And Master Of Puppets was nowhere to be seen in the countdown. All Black Album, Load, Reload and St. Anger songs. :amaze: There was One.....but that's it.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]Perhaps if he did more solos then we could have a good comparison between the 3, but until then I think you'll be the only one.[/QUOTE]

i love james's solos he does solos in concert if u go to their concerts u will see that they are all skilled. id have to say they are all very skilled and we are all lucky to have skilled musicians in this genre. most bands just hit their instruments and scream bands like metallica, megadeath, slayer, etc. are good at what they do and i dont care what band it is as long as its metal. each of them have areas that are better.


edit: i just wanted to add, just because somethings mainstream does not make it bad nor does it make it good. enter sandman is a great song and it is heavy, no not the heaviest MOP runs circles around it but enter sandman is great and deserves to be up there. its finally nice that the world sees Metallica as a force in music

[QUOTE=AIC/EAZY-E]Ill just come in here by saying :
In New Zealand, we had this Top 1000 Rock songs of All Time on The Rock FM. And Enter Sandman won. The thing I hate more than the idea of a countdown of this magnitude on a mainstream radio channel, is casual Metallica fans, the people that think Enter Sandman is the greatest, heaviest song ever invented. For shame NZ for shame. :upset: And Master Of Puppets was nowhere to be seen in the countdown. All Black Album, Load, Reload and St. Anger songs. :amaze: There was One.....but that's it.[/QUOTE]

What is your point? Some people like saint anger more than other albums. Not everyone likes every same kind of song and music. Some people like good charlotte more than metallica. So what? It's their own musical preference really. I mean you can find on the street many people that would prefer black album over the first 4 albums. Not everyone likes the raw thrashy type. I dont think there is a [B]right[/B] answer to which songs, albums, bands, etc. are best. :thumb:

And I agree with madlyinangerwithu, enter sandman is a great song. It doesn't really matter if it's not as thrashy, or if it's more popular, etc.

ill agree with u too a certain extent pepsimetal. people have the right to their own tastes. but does that mean their good? some people like brittany spears and we all know that shes a poser to music. she and all those other "bands" make music s*** and i cant stand that people like them. i just want to puke knowing that they are making millions of more dollars then real bands like metallica and megadeath. it is an insult to me. metallica are "sellouts" because they cut their hair and sued napster but brittany spears is great even though shes more of a sellout then anyone else.

Right, britney spears, and all other crappy pop stars are all garbage. But pop itself still has good artists/bands. Britney Spears is like good charlotte of pop punk.

...when everyone else writes your songs, coreagraphs your dance moves, lipsyncs to the song, plays no instrument, and dresses like a s***. i c nothing good in that and its garabage how everyone treats metallica, at least they dont pretend to be something their not! i have no problem with punk bands its just rap and pop that pisses me off


edit: does anyone like the song I Disappear?

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]i love james's solos he does solos in concert if u go to their concerts u will see that they are all skilled. id have to say they are all very skilled and we are all lucky to have skilled musicians in this genre. most bands just hit their instruments and scream bands like metallica, megadeath, slayer, etc. are good at what they do and i dont care what band it is as long as its metal. each of them have areas that are better.


edit: i just wanted to add, just because somethings mainstream does not make it bad nor does it make it good. enter sandman is a great song and it is heavy, no not the heaviest MOP runs circles around it but enter sandman is great and deserves to be up there. its finally nice that the world sees Metallica as a force in music[/QUOTE]

I've seen Metallica twice. I never doubted his skill on Guitar, when did you see that? Point is he rarely solos on Metallica records and that's what was being discussed.

Finally?!?! They've been popular as hell since the Black Album. The world does see Metallica as a force in Music and not just Metal either.