[QUOTE=jensmatty]I think DC said in an interview that only a few songs started off with drums on that album, that there was more justin and adam writing parts then him adding drums in that album. Was he bsing? lol[/QUOTE]

Which album are you referring to here?

And I just bought Peach - Giving Birth To A Stone, and I must say I'm pretty happy with it after my first listen. It's a lot rougher/rawer than Tool's recent works, but then again, it's not Tool. I'll say it's probably worth checking out if your a serious Tool or Justin Chancellor fan:)

^ Lateralus sorry :)

does any of you know what electronic effect that danny uses on the salival version of pu****? thanks

[QUOTE=SonorKen]I see alot of talk about people playing Tool stuff on drums. I have been playing drums for 20 years, I can play several Tool songs, not all of them, about 10. I dont count it as being able to play a Tool song unless you can play it note for note.

I have seen several drummers boast about being able to play Tool stuff on drums. When I watched them play it they were not even close. Being able to sustain some form of a beat and play some of the fills does not constitute being able to play one of Careys pieces. Most of the songs have multiple odd groupings with complex polyrhythms. Its just not easy to duplicate.

Carey doesn't sit down with the band and pound out these tracks. He writes them note for note. The majority of his time signatures change measure to measure and alot of his time signatures are extremely complex, like 12/8 and 13/8.

The more difficult songs I can play is 46 and 2, Aenema, Schism, Parabola, and Reflection (Im working on this song now). 46 and 2 for example, it changes so much that you basically have to memorize it. I had cheat sheets all over my electronic pads reminding me of signatures.

Thats the other part of it, the electronics. Again, using 46 and 2 as an example. The beginning of the song is played with 2 dominate patterns carrying the rhythm as individual polys, all electronic. You are playing another time signature with your left foot, and you have a kick, tom4, ride ping, tom5, kick on every 4. The solo is incredible. The initial double stroke roll down the toms has to fit inside of the bass line and has to end (I forget what note the bass ends on) at the exact time the bass ends his riff. At the end of the solo you have an 9 and a half count double kick, press roll on 2 seperate toms with a snare hit on 1. You have to time this perfect and only do 9 and a half or the vocals cannot come in and the song collapses in on itself.

Anyway, I love it that Carey inspires so many people to push themselves to new limits. Some easier Tool songs to play is Sober, Hush, Stinkfist, and H.[/QUOTE]

hey there...i am a huge danny carey fan but i really cannot drum well enough to learn what he plays for tool yet...i don't feel that unless you are a very very good drummer you should even try it because he puts so much work andeffort into it and the results are so amazing...i was just wondering if you have any videos of you playing what you can of his work or even any recordings you might share?? i would be really interested to hear them...

So AJG did you ever try out for that band?

What side projects has Adam Jones done?

he just did a gig in seattle with the melvins and jello. very good i might add.
i've heard he does a lot with the melvins.

a pretty easy tool song to cover is schism

lateralus is accessible too

lateralus took me a while, but i can do it perfectly(well d.amn close).
my favorite is eba/the patient or eulogy. i'll play each one over and over again, my '59 seymore duncan jazz pickup sounds really good with them.

Lateralus didn't take me TOO long, but I can practically play it "exact". But of course, no one probably can, except Adam Jones. Forty-Six & 2 is another easy song to play.

[QUOTE=Otherside]So AJG did you ever try out for that band?[/QUOTE]

Nope, the ad had long gone when i checked back the other day. Although the guy selling me the guitar im affter saw me in my APC shirt and threw in a strap for free, when I eventually pick it up.

So I guess I got something out the deal. Still, would have been cool to find another group of tol fans to jam with

if i accidently quoted someone, i didn't mean to, this is my first post, and i was not sure exactly how to post anything, but i think i got it.....

i didn't want to read all 90 pages on this thread, but i would like to start of by saying that the first few pages really made me start listening to Tool again, and i went out and bought two CDs, Opiate and Lateralus. I can't find the other CDs, but i hope i find them soon.

If you aren't a drummer, you may not be too interested to read this, but you can if you want. I wanted to discuss Danny Carey a bit. In my opinion, Danny Carey (now to be referred to as DC) is one of the best drummers out there for more reasons than the fact that he can play stuff half of us do not understand. Its the things that that you have to be a drummer/musician to appreciate that make him good. I am talking about things such as odd timing signatures, or tricky co-ordination with the left foot on hi-hat. Take the intro to Ticks and Leeches for example: The rhythm and notes are not hard to play, but he adds on the hi-hat foot on quarter notes later, and then double bass after that, all the while keeping in 7/4 beautifully. I don't care if you find this easy to do, I find it extremely hard to duplicate, and if I do manage to play the whole intro correctly, I'm surprised by just how well it flows. I've been playing drums for a year and eight months now, and i can play pretty much everything DC has made (not off memory, i've only memorized a few songs), but I couldn't imagine making up my own beats as well thought out and performed as DC. I doesn't take a pro drummer to play what Danny plays, but in my opinion it takes a pro drummer to [B]create[/B] the rhythms that he plays. I wanted learn "The Grudge" for a drum concert a while back, so I tabbed the song out myself before learning to play it (i didn't submit it on the internet). However, after working on the song for...uh, lets see, about 2 months, I still hadn't really gotten to far because most of his tom beats have flams, accents, ghost notes, some triplets too, and offbeat bass notes, that you feel overwhelmed at how much you need to perfect your co-ordination before playing it. And then theres that drum solo at the end :smash: , i didn't know what to do. So, i simplified the song with less flams, accents, and offbeat bass notes, and replaced electronics with simple ghost notes on the toms, land in the end i felt ashamed at how much i had destroyed DC's masterpiece. Strangely, at the end of the concert, at least 10 strangers came up to me and told me they had never seen anyone play the drums that well, and that they didn't mind the loud music because what i had played seemed so creative and thoughtful to them. i thanked them, but i knew that if they had heard and seen DC up there on the stage, they would've shat themselves. I hope i have managed to get across my point, unfortunately i suck at english, so im not good at this, but im trying to point out to everyone out there that DC is great because he plays what no one else does, he goes beyond the usual 4/4 hi-hat beats and creates masterpieces in whatever timing imaginable, and better yet he does it so it flows. His skill at what he does is beyond belief if you stop to think about it. I challenge you to name one drummer that has created masterpieces as creative and beautiful as DC. You see? It's hard! Theres people like Joey Jordison from Slipknot that sound good, but all he really does is fast fills and double bass. Hes weak with his hands. Also theres Mike Portnoy of Dream Theatre...I can't even listen to his drumming because he does all these retarted timing changes repeatedly that it just sounds like hes playing around his set with no actual timing in mind. Not only that, but Mike has never impressed me with his beats, because they are straightforward and simple co-ordination. You don't have to think twice. .....Shoot, sorry everyone, i started rambling a bit there (a bit? :lol: ), to sum it all up, Danny Carey is a drummer unlike any other. I swear to god hes god. :thumb:


I know this is a childish thing to do, but [B]DANNY CAREY RULES!!!![/B]

thanks everyone who actually read this for reading my opinion, and thanks to everyone out there who got me listening and playing to Tool again. Im even starting to learn guitar, just so I can play Tool on another instrument, but i wont bother stating what makes Adam Jones so good (its the effects :lol: ) honestly, i have no life....drums, guitar, Tool....food.... thanks everyone.

holy fvck i wrote a lot :lol: :smash: :thumb:

if i accidently quoted someone, i didn't mean to, this is my first post, and i was not sure exactly how to post anything, but i think i got it.....

i didn't want to read all 90 pages on this thread, but i would like to start of by saying that the first few pages really made me start listening to Tool again, and i went out and bought two CDs, Opiate and Lateralus. I can't find the other CDs, but i hope i find them soon.

If you aren't a drummer, you may not be too interested to read this, but you can if you want. I wanted to discuss Danny Carey a bit. In my opinion, Danny Carey (now to be referred to as DC) is one of the best drummers out there for more reasons than the fact that he can play stuff half of us do not understand. Its the things that that you have to be a drummer/musician to appreciate that make him good. I am talking about things such as odd timing signatures, or tricky co-ordination with the left foot on hi-hat. Take the intro to Ticks and Leeches for example: The rhythm and notes are not hard to play, but he adds on the hi-hat foot on quarter notes later, and then double bass after that, all the while keeping in 7/4 beautifully. I don't care if you find this easy to do, I find it extremely hard to duplicate, and if I do manage to play the whole intro correctly, I'm surprised by just how well it flows. I've been playing drums for a year and eight months now, and i can play pretty much everything DC has made (not off memory, i've only memorized a few songs), but I couldn't imagine making up my own beats as well thought out and performed as DC. I doesn't take a pro drummer to play what Danny plays, but in my opinion it takes a pro drummer to [B]create[/B] the rhythms that he plays. I wanted learn "The Grudge" for a drum concert a while back, so I tabbed the song out myself before learning to play it (i didn't submit it on the internet). However, after working on the song for...uh, lets see, about 2 months, I still hadn't really gotten to far because most of his tom beats have flams, accents, ghost notes, some triplets too, and offbeat bass notes, that you feel overwhelmed at how much you need to perfect your co-ordination before playing it. And then theres that drum solo at the end :smash: , i didn't know what to do. So, i simplified the song with less flams, accents, and offbeat bass notes, and replaced electronics with simple ghost notes on the toms, land in the end i felt ashamed at how much i had destroyed DC's masterpiece. Strangely, at the end of the concert, at least 10 strangers came up to me and told me they had never seen anyone play the drums that well, and that they didn't mind the loud music because what i had played seemed so creative and thoughtful to them. i thanked them, but i knew that if they had heard and seen DC up there on the stage, they would've shat themselves. I hope i have managed to get across my point, unfortunately i suck at english, so im not good at this, but im trying to point out to everyone out there that DC is great because he plays what no one else does, he goes beyond the usual 4/4 hi-hat beats and creates masterpieces in whatever timing imaginable, and better yet he does it so it flows. His skill at what he does is beyond belief if you stop to think about it. I challenge you to name one drummer that has created masterpieces as creative and beautiful as DC. You see? It's hard! Theres people like Joey Jordison from Slipknot that sound good, but all he really does is fast fills and double bass. Hes weak with his hands. Also theres Mike Portnoy of Dream Theatre...I can't even listen to his drumming because he does all these retarted timing changes repeatedly that it just sounds like hes playing around his set with no actual timing in mind. Not only that, but Mike has never impressed me with his beats, because they are straightforward and simple co-ordination. You don't have to think twice. .....Shoot, sorry everyone, i started rambling a bit there (a bit? :lol: ), to sum it all up, Danny Carey is a drummer unlike any other. I swear to god hes god. :thumb:


I know this is a childish thing to do, but [B]DANNY CAREY RULES!!!![/B]

thanks everyone who actually read this for reading my opinion, and thanks to everyone out there who got me listening and playing to Tool again. Im even starting to learn guitar, just so I can play Tool on another instrument, but i wont bother stating what makes Adam Jones so good (its the effects :lol: ) honestly, i have no life....drums, guitar, Tool....food.... thanks everyone.

holy fvck i wrote a lot :lol: :smash: :thumb:

sorry for the double post there guys, my computer is having troubles :mad:

actually, it's a triple post:P but don't worry, it's worth a second read:p very well summed up, and i think you speak english fine. I am not a drummer, nor do i understand how the fvck drummers do what they do. But i agree, danny carey is just something else, amazing. I always listen to ticks and leeches, and think, ****, that sounds hard to play. Of what you said, it is. basically, this all leads to one point i am trying to make.................................rep++ for you!!:)

[QUOTE=bebubly]hey there...i am a huge danny carey fan but i really cannot drum well enough to learn what he plays for tool yet...i don't feel that unless you are a very very good drummer you should even try it because he puts so much work andeffort into it and the results are so amazing...i was just wondering if you have any videos of you playing what you can of his work or even any recordings you might share?? i would be really interested to hear them...[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'd love some footage of the man himself at work...By the way nice salad fingers avatar. :thumb:

[url]http://www.metalrefuge.com/interviews/opeth.html[/url]

in an interview, Mikael from Opeth said that he and the rest of the band are HUGE Tool fans, and would love to tour with them

that concert would rock so hard

[QUOTE=bebubly]guess who managed to get hold of the book...me :D...basically its not set out as it should be but i think me not being able to get it was something to do with me having windows 98...but if anyone can't download it and wants to read it post your email addresses and it'll be winging it's way straight to you :thumb:[/QUOTE]


hey my emails [email]b_nuts_420@yahoo.com[/email] i like tool to the max because i like the sound and maynards voice its so hypnotic in a way well i'll like that book since i can't download it. so if you send me it i'll be soo happy alright :cool:

look guys i have done countless hours of studying on christ.. etc
and there's a few things that people need to know.

the bible is a creation of man and not god, in around 400 AD emperopr constantine saw the growing christan movement and decided that he could gain by pushing the winning cart. so he set on a mission to destroy all bible related documents and rewright the bible, in his rewright he proclamed that jesus was the messiah wereas in the old document jesus was not )these documents were documented by jesus himself.
this is just one of the shocking changes made to the bible.

so a dont mean to offend anyone but most of the bible is a lie.

for proof read the secrets of the bible by tony bushby, hold on in fact start of by reading the da vinci code by dan brown you'll be changed forever

oh **** sorry for the spelling

I dont think that has anything to do with tool...

[QUOTE=Grey Incision][url]http://www.metalrefuge.com/interviews/opeth.html[/url]

in an interview, Mikael from Opeth said that he and the rest of the band are HUGE Tool fans, and would love to tour with them

that concert would rock so hard[/QUOTE]

yes...interesting...very interesting

i got annoyed at reading that the interviewer says y'all too much :angry: :angry:

loving what they did with rage

yah, the song that they did with rage, "revolution" was pretty fvcking cool. Rage was one the most raw bands of the 90's, I wish they got back together and toured with TOOL, but that is just wishful thinking...

Hey guys I am new to this site but this thread caught my eye really fast, I love tool and love their deep lyrics, I think that this thread is a great idea. This may have already have been discussed somewhere in the other 80 pages of this thread that I haven’t read yet but I definitely think that parabola has lyrics based on Buddhism the most obvious would be “we are eternal but our pain is an illusion” Also could someone post all the other bands the guys from tool have worked with and which members? Sorry if this post seems Noobie-ish, I just got really into Tool about a month ago, and I just picked up a guitar a week ago, so I am definitely a noob, but I love this site and I’ll be using it a lot.

drumtilidie, excellent post most indepth look at dc on this site i believe. but i do have one thing to say. at the end of your post you said adam jones is all effects. aj may not look as impressive as dc but he puts just as much creativity into his music. an excellent example is reflection. he opens with the foot pedal synth. he does that 14/15 times? then at the 6 or 7 repeat with the synth he enters with the guitar. now the tricky part is he plays the synth with different timing from his guitar riff. listen to the song carefully and you will see how dc and aj both very different, are yet both very good in the sense you described dc.

Welcome, nEWb...

Never really looked into Parabola, and i don't think it has been discussed here.

Bands (that i know of)

Danny - Pigmy Love Circus
Adam - ...
Maynard - A perfect circle
Justin - Peach

Youc an find out about all these side projects on the tool FAQ... [url]http://toolshed.down.net[/url] and click on FAQ

:thumb: Enjoy the thread

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Nope, the ad had long gone when i checked back the other day. Although the guy selling me the guitar im affter saw me in my APC shirt and threw in a strap for free, when I eventually pick it up.

So I guess I got something out the deal. Still, would have been cool to find another group of tol fans to jam with[/QUOTE]


Well all is not lost I guess. Although a guitar strap isn't much compared to a band :\ Better luck next time then eh?

Thanks clearvision

Ok I finally got around to getting *** Kickin Fat Kid by Titannica, a band featuring Maynard, Scott Ian (Anthrax) and Samantha Maloney (Motley Crue/Hole). Maynards voice in this song is quite different to how he usually sounds, more raspy/screamo than usual i guess. The song is generally a lot rougher than what Tool produce, but I guess that's the Anthrax/Motley Crue influence. Anyway, the reason for this post was just to say how it was cool to hear Maynards voice being used in yet another different manner.