Sweeping is starting to annoy me. It's difficult but also the most overused technique in metal guitar. I'm so tired of people judging solos and guitarists based solely on how fast they can sweep.

is this a behemoth avatar?

[quote=Repcak]good to know that the Inferno version was horrible i couldn't listen to it, cause i have a donwloadlimit at home, but now i have again a motivation to learn it as good as possible, cause recently i got a little sloppy at high speed.
i played the whole intro today at 110bpm and will record it at 150 (though its 155bmp fast, but i don't care about the 5bpm more )[/quote]

I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, don't worry about that 5bpm, if it's completely clean at 150, I'll be impressed.

[quote=ShadowsFallen]Sweeping is starting to annoy me. It's difficult but also the most overused technique in metal guitar. I'm so tired of people judging solos and guitarists based solely on how fast they can sweep.[/quote]

Same here. I love adding a bit here and there but I don't go crazy with it and most guitarists are quite sloppy at it, it's just cool to be able to kinda do it so everyone learns it.

Indeed it is.
@repcak

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, don't worry about that 5bpm, if it's completely clean at 150, I'll be impressed.[/QUOTE]
i will do my best.
i wanted to record it next weekend when i will be back in vienna, but i think i'm not ready... it will take some more weeks :/

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]Same here. I love adding a bit here and there but I don't go crazy with it and most guitarists are quite sloppy at it, it's just cool to be able to kinda do it so everyone learns it.[/QUOTE]
i want to learn and to play it clean. when somebody plays sweeps sloppy it sound so awful... its the worst thing i can imagine :p
and i don't want to overdo it too. i mean, there exist guitarist who know when its the best moment to play an arpeggio... like praise the almighty by Hate Eternal... the solo is amazing.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Indeed it is.
@repcak[/QUOTE]
:thumb:

Yeah if you're not ready, don't even think about recording it, definately take as long as you need.

Same with me, I would record the Hate Me solo, Punch Me I Bleed, Everytime I Die etc but there's like one bit that I still can't do perfectly in all of them.

yeah... lets see.

the guy from the riff game, did he recorded it at 150? maybe i will record it at 110

Yeeeeoww!

[QUOTE=repcak]yeah... lets see.

the guy from the riff game, did he recorded it at 150? maybe i will record it at 110[/QUOTE]

I don't know what tempo they recorded it at (2 ppl did it) but tbh they both sucked. Don't make the same mistake and rush it.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Sweeping is starting to annoy me. It's difficult but also the most overused technique in metal guitar. I'm so tired of people judging solos and guitarists based solely on how fast they can sweep.[/QUOTE]
I refuse to learn sweeps. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]I don't know what tempo they recorded it at (2 ppl did it) but tbh they both sucked. Don't make the same mistake and rush it.[/QUOTE]
i don't wanna suck... await the record next year :lol:

but before i will give those both recordings a listen (next week)

booo!

i wanna see you playing inferno :p

booo yourself :lol:


/i think i'm just too funny today... lawl

[QUOTE=repcak]i wanna see you playing inferno :p

booo yourself :lol:


/i think i'm just too funny today... lawl[/QUOTE]
I can't even think of that song. Hold on, I'll listen to it and see what I think.

Alright. I'm listening. I don't think I could play some parts of that intro with how little I practice. If I practiced every day as I used to, I could. but yeah.

The singer pisses me off though. He's annoying. I haven't listened to Symphony X in ages.

yeah... power metal singers :upset: but the guitarist (michael romeo) is fantastic.

the intro has some tricky parts: at first i struggled with the string skipping a lot. now i struggle only with accuracy and speed...

/gn8

[QUOTE=repcak]yeah... power metal singers :upset: but the guitarist (michael romeo) is fantastic.

the intro has some tricky parts: at first i struggled with the string skipping a lot. now i struggle only with accuracy and speed...

/gn8[/QUOTE]
yes he is He's killlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllller. Yeah. Power Metal vocals drive me nuts and make me want to punch things. ^)^

SWEET, Just got my new stand, I can really see why Janne and Jens like it, its sooo much easier to play like that...does anyone know a site to upload photos to?


EDIT: nvm forgot I had a photobucket account

[url]http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/42147/DSCN0938.jpg[/url]

You cant see it but it's hooked up to a Marshall AVT-150, alot of people said it would suck but if you put it on Acoustic channel it sounds GREAT!

[QUOTE=Shadows Within]SWEET, Just got my new stand, I can really see why Janne and Jens like it, its sooo much easier to play like that...does anyone know a site to upload photos to?


EDIT: nvm forgot I had a photobucket account

[url]http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/42147/DSCN0938.jpg[/url]

You cant see it but it's hooked up to a Marshall AVT-150, alot of people said it would suck but if you put it on Acoustic channel it sounds GREAT![/QUOTE]

That looks pretty kickass dude. :cool:

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]That looks pretty kickass dude. :cool:[/QUOTE]
yerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! :cool:

when i was learning swamphell (or maybe it was another song; i don't remember anymore) my guitar teacher told me that its more important to learn how to play the basic things perfect instead of the hard things (sloppy).

now, after several weeks, i still don't understand him. you too play a lot of guitar and maybe you once heard this or not. does he mean to play an easy blues theme or some nirvana songs? i hope not.

He's telling you not to get ahead of yourself.

The pieces you choose to learn must be learned to perfection before learning something that is a step up. It's a slow way to progress.

What's not to understand?

"[i]its more important to learn how to play the basic things perfect"[/i]

Basic things = easy melodies, simple powerchord riffs, slow bluesy solos etc.

Perfect = no mistakes.

Basic things perfect = playing easy melodies, simple powerchord riffs, slow bluesy solos with no mistakes.

That's why I always say anyone who attemps to "shred" after playing for a year or so, WILL suck. They haven't spent enough time concentrating on the finer points of guitar playing, like vibrato, correct intonation of bends, slides, hammers/pull offs etc. When you start picking fast straight away, you have no control so the tone of each note is bad which = ghey youtubers attemping Serrena, Technical Difficulties and Scarified.

If you spend time on this stuff, it won't make you any faster but it WILL improve your guitar tone because of the way you hold a note, touch a string, slide to another note etc and that does make a difference. It'll also make anything fast sound good too because you can make every note sound good.

I could go on for a few more hours on this stuff but it's pointless, I've made my point methinks.

yeah, ok. i understand; but i have to ask my guitar teacher once again, cause i don't think that the things i choose to learn were impossible for me to learn (except swamphell without knowing how to sweep) but meanwhile i choose songs i know: not easy, but not impossible to master when i practise it.

what you said, reminds me of my cousin. we both started playing guitar at the same time and like everyone at the beginning want to shred Master of Puppets and play fast. i just recently started to play at a speed i would say... its the speed i like, though i would like to play faster. it was the other way round with my cousin: after one year he was able to play fast... not fast, he was shredding! i still don't know how he had done this progression so fast. he visited me last week (after i haven't seen him playing for over a year) and his techique is horrible, but i don't hear any mistakes or sloppy notes.

my explanation:
1) he is able to play accurate, though his left AND right hand technique is horrible (thumb over the fretboard and only downpicking! he only does alternate picking when he is playing very fast)
2) he is playing sloppy but i can't hear it.
fe.: i asked him if he can sweep arpeggios... he did a 5string arpeggio very fast but i was not sure if it was perfect or not... it wasn't horrible but i was not perfect. my cousin never "practised" anything, he only plays and plays and plays the whole day.

tbh i can't imagine that someone is able to play clean with the playing technique he uses.



edit:
another thing: playing guitar is like sport.
fingers => muscles
sport = training muscles
sport = playing guitar

some yrs ago my dad was running every day for an hour and i asked him if there were days when he was running better or worse than the other day. his answer yes. ok its the same with guitar.
then i asked him how it was when he made a longer break. the first time after the break you run very well, its great. on the 2nd day you suck. the next few days you will increase slowly your strength, endurance, etc.
so its the same with playing guitar. i haven't played for over one week cause i was on holidays, afterwards i played only for one or two hours, then made a break of two days and was able to play inferno at an accuracy and speed i was stunned (i posted it :p) and today i just suck at playing guitar...

maybe my point is pointless, but maybe its interesting for you to make connection with sport and learn some things and attempt it on the guitar. so its ( i think) a good think to make a break one day before a gig or something like that...

Chances are it's not perfectly clean if you can't tell.

You can hear every single note Paul Gilbert plays regardless of his speed, [i]that's[/i] good technique.


"i choose songs i know: not easy, but not impossible to master when i practise it."

This isn't what he means. This is too much, over the top.

BASIC stuff is stuff like bends, slides, vibrato. Stuff that doesn't involve high speed. Marty Friedman's melodies are great for practising this stuff.

Eg, Arrival, Bittersweet, Valley of Eternity, Angel, Thunder March etc.

[QUOTE=manuscriptreplica]Bed of Razors, everyone other song bores me[/QUOTE]
Bed of Razors is my favorite, followed by Everytime I die and Trashed, Lost and Strungout :chug:

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]Chances are it's not perfectly clean if you can't tell.

You can hear every single note Paul Gilbert plays regardless of his speed, [i]that's[/i] good technique.
[/QUOTE]
thats true and i couldn't hear every single note he was playing - i only wasn't sure if it was sloppy. its difficult to hear sloppy notes when something is very fast. f.e.: inferno - 9 notes per seconds *g*

[QUOTE]
BASIC stuff is stuff like bends, slides, vibrato. Stuff that doesn't involve high speed. Marty Friedman's melodies are great for practising this stuff.[/QUOTE]
i have to check him out.
next week i have to spend more time on rhythm... i play to much melodies and lead stuff, solos, scales... i need more chords :p

ps.: i made an edit above...


edit:
is it possible that Vivaldi (Passage to the Reaper - Demonstration by Alexi and Roope) is written in Fminor?

edit#2:
in what scale is inferno written? i just tried to analyze it;
G G# B C D D # F
any ideas?

[QUOTE=repcak]thats true and i couldn't hear every single note he was playing - i only wasn't sure if it was sloppy. its difficult to hear sloppy notes when something is very fast. f.e.: inferno - 9 notes per seconds *g*[/quote]

Then it was probably sloppy. Also knowing that he's only been playing a short amount of time, he'll be one of those people who's playing faster than they can handle.

[quote=repcak]
i have to check him out.
next week i have to spend more time on rhythm... i play to much melodies and lead stuff, solos, scales... i need more chords :p[/quote]

It's not so much learning loads of chords, it's more about concentrating on exactly how you play the leads. For example, take a Bodom lead like the Hate Me melody, or Children of Bodom, Bed of Razors, Needled 24/7 etc and play it so slow so it sounds absolutely perfect, no mistakes what so ever. Then just look at exactly how you're holding the guitar, gripping the neck, pressing down the string, what part of your finger, which finger, where abouts between the frets ETC!!! and make a note of that. Then you do the exact same thing for everything near enough so that when you're playing fast, it'll sound good.

All that stuff is what Steve Vai used to work on when he was younger and it's how he gets that signature sound. Noone will sound exactly like Vai because of the way he does all that^^.


[quote=repcak]edit:
is it possible that Vivaldi (Passage to the Reaper - Demonstration by Alexi and Roope) is written in Fminor?[/quote]

Gmin.

[quote=repcak]edit#2:
in what scale is inferno written? i just tried to analyze it;
G G# B C D D # F
any ideas?[/QUOTE]

It's in the key of Cmin and uses the #7 (B natural) instead of the natural (Bb), but the constant use of the open G string implies G phrygian dominant.

G, Ab, B, C, D, Eb, F.

[QUOTE]Then it was probably sloppy. Also knowing that he's only been playing a short amount of time, he'll be one of those people who's playing faster than they can handle.[/QUOTE]
i fear i can't handle those 150bpm in inferno. maybe its the click of the metronome: i practised it today at 110 and suddenly i coudln't hear every click... only every 2nd or something like that. now i'm not sure if i will hear every "click" at 150 to play in time...

[QUOTE]take a Bodom lead like the Hate Me melody, or Children of Bodom, Bed of Razors, Needled 24/7 etc and play it so slow so it sounds absolutely perfect, no mistakes what so ever. Then just look at exactly how you're holding the guitar, gripping the neck, pressing down the string, what part of your finger, which finger, [U]where abouts between the frets ETC!!! and make a note of that[/U]. Then you do the exact same thing for everything near enough so that when you're playing fast, it'll sound good.

All that stuff is what Steve Vai used to work on when he was younger and it's how he gets that signature sound. Noone will sound exactly like Vai because of the way he does all that^^.[/QUOTE]
i don't really understand what you mean ...


Vivaldi in Gmin? ok, i only realized a lot of Fmin arpeggios in the tab... so therefore i guessed its in Fmin.

[QUOTE]
It's in the key of Cmin and uses the #7 (B natural) instead of the natural (Bb), but the constant use of the open G string implies G phrygian dominant.

G, Ab, B, C, D, Eb, F.[/QUOTE]
aaaahhh.... i took 5min for me to understand it... G phrygian... sure. thanks :D

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]I don't know if you have it but I record stuff in that manner in Windows Movie Maker.

Plug my guitar into the mic in the back of my computer and choose the "What U Hear" option in WMM. It'll record anything it hears so you can play the backing track in Windows Media Player or any other player, press record and play the guitar.

If you don't have all that^^ look for something similar.[/QUOTE]
I'm on a Mac. Maybe I could use iMovie somehow.